On Fri, 2011-12-09 at 02:36 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> Am 09.12.2011 01:50, schrieb Craig White:
> > I manage a lot of networks and always use LDAP for user base and
> > typically (but not always) use NFS and for that matter, NFS automounts.
>
> as said - you are knowing only your small worl
Am 09.12.2011 01:50, schrieb Craig White:
> I manage a lot of networks and always use LDAP for user base and
> typically (but not always) use NFS and for that matter, NFS automounts.
as said - you are knowing only your small world and will not realize
that there other usecases than yours
sign
On Wed, 2011-12-07 at 15:50 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> Or, you can be a bit wiser and not use Fedora in a production environment to
> begin with.
actually untrue... I have used Fedora at a non-profit that I worked
with. Maintained our own repository, installed originally from kickstart
On Wed, 2011-12-07 at 14:39 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> Am 07.12.2011 07:50, schrieb Craig White:
> > out of curiosity, what is the requirement for having uidNumbers starting
> > at 500 instead of 1000?
>
> because people usually migrate their whole systems from one hardware
> to the next and
On Wed, 2011-12-07 at 14:41 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> Am 07.12.2011 09:29, schrieb Craig White:
> > On Tue, 2011-12-06 at 23:27 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
> >> On 12/06/2011 10:50 PM, Craig White wrote:
> >>> out of curiosity, what is the requirement for having uidNumbers starting
> >>> at 500 i
> Umm, AFAIK RHEL explicitly doesn't support upgrades across major releases.
> And
> they wouldn't dare changing the UID lower limit between point releases, IMHO.
Thats really irrelevant. Do you think a large business has a 'flag day'
and upgrades RHEL x to RHEL x + 1 globally that day ???
> Th
On 12/07/2011 02:10 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
> then if "cat /etc/fedora-release" is 16.
It is, after a distro-sync, although before the last reboot yum still
claimed it was 14.
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On 12/07/2011 06:20 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> And what do you think,*why* did Fedora decide to raise the limit on UID's in
> this release?
Actually, I think it happened in F15 in an attempt to bring Fedora back
into line with most other distros.
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Am 08.12.2011 03:20, schrieb Marko Vojinovic:
> Sure, if you know what you are doing, you are welcome to do it. But it may
> just happen that future Fedora releases prove you wrong later on. Fedora is a
> fast-moving target, and you can never be sure in which direction it is going
> to go in a
Am 08.12.2011 02:40, schrieb Marko Vojinovic:
> On Wednesday 07 December 2011 20:19:31 Alan Cox wrote:
did you ever work in an environment with a lot of servers and
users and used rsync / nfs?
>>>
>>> Why would you even consider using Fedora in such an environment? If you
>>> have a ser
On Wednesday 07 December 2011 23:48:58 Reindl Harald wrote:
> Am 07.12.2011 16:50, schrieb Marko Vojinovic:
> > On Wednesday 07 December 2011 14:39:45 Reindl Harald wrote:
> >> did you ever work in an environment with a lot of servers and
> >> users and used rsync / nfs?
> >
> > Why would you even
On Wednesday 07 December 2011 20:19:31 Alan Cox wrote:
> > > did you ever work in an environment with a lot of servers and
> > > users and used rsync / nfs?
> >
> > Why would you even consider using Fedora in such an environment? If you
> > have a server farm with shared users and use rsync/nfs/wh
On 07/12/11 18:35, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 12/07/2011 12:39 AM, Frank Murphy wrote:
>> yum distro-sync
>> it may bring in all,
>> that has been borked as a result of the stall.
>
> It wants to downgrade me to F14, even though it "knows" the version is
> F16. If I use --releasever=16, it fails because
On 12/07/2011 12:29 AM, Craig White wrote:
> You really should not be so condescending... it was uncalled for.
>
Don't take offense where none was offered. I simply stated the fact
that I've got several years worth of files and history to protect.
> Are you suggesting that it's easier to do a k
Am 07.12.2011 16:50, schrieb Marko Vojinovic:
> On Wednesday 07 December 2011 14:39:45 Reindl Harald wrote:
>> Am 07.12.2011 07:50, schrieb Craig White:
>>> out of curiosity, what is the requirement for having uidNumbers starting
>>> at 500 instead of 1000?
>>
>> because people usually migrate th
On 12/07/2011 07:50 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> Why would you even consider using Fedora in such an environment? If you have a
> server farm with shared users and use rsync/nfs/whatever, and you have the
> whole thing (or a part of it) running on Fedora, then you'd better be prepared
> to do some
> > did you ever work in an environment with a lot of servers and
> > users and used rsync / nfs?
>
> Why would you even consider using Fedora in such an environment? If you have
> a
> server farm with shared users and use rsync/nfs/whatever, and you have the
Why not (rsync btw translates name
On Wednesday 07 December 2011 14:39:45 Reindl Harald wrote:
> Am 07.12.2011 07:50, schrieb Craig White:
> > out of curiosity, what is the requirement for having uidNumbers starting
> > at 500 instead of 1000?
>
> because people usually migrate their whole systems from one hardware
> to the next an
On 12/07/2011 12:39 AM, Frank Murphy wrote:
> yum distro-sync
> it may bring in all,
> that has been borked as a result of the stall.
It wants to downgrade me to F14, even though it "knows" the version is
F16. If I use --releasever=16, it fails because of broken dependencies.
My next step, of
On 12/07/2011 12:42 AM, Frank Murphy wrote:
> That's the beauty, and no anaconda per say.
> You do get to customize the partitions.
> Which has alway allowed me to keep /home.
*Shrug!* I like having it customized from the start, but YMMV.
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Am 07.12.2011 09:29, schrieb Craig White:
> On Tue, 2011-12-06 at 23:27 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
>> On 12/06/2011 10:50 PM, Craig White wrote:
>>> out of curiosity, what is the requirement for having uidNumbers starting
>>> at 500 instead of 1000?
>>>
>>
>> Because I've had this system running sinc
Am 07.12.2011 07:50, schrieb Craig White:
> out of curiosity, what is the requirement for having uidNumbers starting
> at 500 instead of 1000?
because people usually migrate their whole systems from one hardware
to the next and if you have a lot of users and existing files
with permissions it is
Craig White writes:
On Tue, 2011-12-06 at 23:27 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 12/06/2011 10:50 PM, Craig White wrote:
> > out of curiosity, what is the requirement for having uidNumbers starting
> > at 500 instead of 1000?
> >
>
> Because I've had this system running since F8 and have three differ
On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 18:50:57 -0800
Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 12/06/2011 06:24 PM, Mark C. Allman wrote:
> > What argument are you passing to grub2-install? /dev/root?
> > Does /dev/root exist? From what I've read and had to do the argument to
> > grub2-install is something like /dev/sda.
>
> I used
On 06/12/11 18:47, Joe Zeff wrote:
> Last night, I used preupgrade to prepare my desktop for upgrade from F14
> to F16 and started the process at bed time. This morning, it was hung
> while upgrading SELinux targeted policy.
Use the DVD > troubleshoot, and rescue the stalled F16.
one you chroot
On 07/12/11 08:10, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 12/06/2011 11:59 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
>> I've noticed with the dvd that you can go back and forth,
>> trying to work out needed deps.
>
> In my experience, with the DVD (or the set of CDs) you pick what you
> want and it resolves the dependencies for you w
On 12/06/2011 11:59 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
> I've noticed with the dvd that you can go back and forth,
> trying to work out needed deps.
In my experience, with the DVD (or the set of CDs) you pick what you
want and it resolves the dependencies for you without even needing to be
on-line. The ni
On Tue, 2011-12-06 at 23:27 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 12/06/2011 10:50 PM, Craig White wrote:
> > out of curiosity, what is the requirement for having uidNumbers starting
> > at 500 instead of 1000?
> >
>
> Because I've had this system running since F8 and have three different
> users right now
On 12/06/2011 10:50 PM, Craig White wrote:
> out of curiosity, what is the requirement for having uidNumbers starting
> at 500 instead of 1000?
>
Because I've had this system running since F8 and have three different
users right now. Keeping the numbers the way they are is much simpler
than try
On 07/12/11 00:18, Joe Zeff wrote:
> You misunderstand. I'm not asking why I should reinstall, but why use
> the LiveCD instead of the DVD.
I've noticed with the dvd that you can go back and forth,
trying to work out needed deps.
With the livecd, at least you have a working box.
Though not sup
On Tue, 2011-12-06 at 16:18 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 12/06/2011 03:33 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> > Don't mean to toot my horn, but even myself, who usually has pretty good
> > luck salvaging bricked upgrades, had to admin defeat with one of my
> > patients, this time, nuke it from high orbit,
Joe Zeff zeff.us> writes:
>
> On 12/06/2011 03:15 PM, JB wrote:
> > That's why I suggested a clean start.
>
> Yes, I understand all of that, at least as well as you do. (Hint: I
> started using computers in 1968, and Linux in 1998.) You still haven't
> even tried to address the one question
On 12/06/2011 06:24 PM, Mark C. Allman wrote:
> What argument are you passing to grub2-install? /dev/root?
> Does /dev/root exist? From what I've read and had to do the argument to
> grub2-install is something like /dev/sda.
I used this:
grub2-install /dev/sda
After it failed, I tried this:
g
On Tue, 2011-12-06 at 16:29 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 12/06/2011 03:15 PM, JB wrote:
> > That's why I suggested a clean start.
>
> Yes, I understand all of that, at least as well as you do. (Hint: I
> started using computers in 1968, and Linux in 1998.) You still haven't
> even tried to add
Joe Zeff writes:
On 12/06/2011 12:39 PM, JB wrote:
> I think you should download and burn F16 live-cd (XFCE I guess is safest
for
> you) and start with a clean install.
Why? Wouldn't it be even better to create a kickstart file so that all
of my installed programs come back and I can use my
On 12/06/2011 03:15 PM, JB wrote:
> That's why I suggested a clean start.
Yes, I understand all of that, at least as well as you do. (Hint: I
started using computers in 1968, and Linux in 1998.) You still haven't
even tried to address the one question I keep asking: WHY DO YOU WANT ME
TO USE
On 12/06/2011 03:33 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> Don't mean to toot my horn, but even myself, who usually has pretty good
> luck salvaging bricked upgrades, had to admin defeat with one of my
> patients, this time, nuke it from high orbit, and reinstall it, after
> the F16 upgrade made an utter mas
Joe Zeff zeff.us> writes:
>
> On 12/06/2011 12:39 PM, JB wrote:
> > I think you should download and burn F16 live-cd (XFCE I guess is safest for
> > you) and start with a clean install.
>
> Why? Wouldn't it be even better to create a kickstart file so that all
> of my installed programs come
On 12/06/2011 12:39 PM, JB wrote:
> I think you should download and burn F16 live-cd (XFCE I guess is safest for
> you) and start with a clean install.
Why? Wouldn't it be even better to create a kickstart file so that all
of my installed programs come back and I can use my current /home
partit
Joe Zeff zeff.us> writes:
> ...
> I now have two crippled computers,
> one that can't boot into the newest kernel and one that can't properly
> boot except into CLI mode. People, I really, really need some help!
I think you should download and burn F16 live-cd (XFCE I guess is safest for
you
> I managed to get into F16 recovery mode and tried to run grub2-install,
> but it failed, saying that it couldn't stat /dev/root. I ran telinit 3,
> which worked and logged in as root. Alas, I still can't run
> grub2-install, but on reboot it says that I'm using Grub 1.99, so I
> guess that'
Last night, I used preupgrade to prepare my desktop for upgrade from F14
to F16 and started the process at bed time. This morning, it was hung
while upgrading SELinux targeted policy. I used the reset button and
tried again. This time, it seemed to work, but when it restarted, it
failed to g
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