El sáb, 19-01-2013 a las 17:47 -0700, Paolo Galtieri escribió:
> On 01/19/13 14:57, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >
> >
> > Am 19.01.2013 22:50, schrieb Paolo Galtieri:
> >> I think I'll stay on F14
> >
> > strange logic
> >
> > you stay on F14 because you do not like the F18 installer?
> > WTF - and you
On 01/21/2013 01:50 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 21.01.2013 19:44, schrieb Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.:
I am currently running Fedora 17 on my laptop. I'm the only one who uses it,
and can access it, but I worry
sometimes about someone trying to hack into it when I access the internet...is
there som
Am 21.01.2013 19:44, schrieb Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.:
> I am currently running Fedora 17 on my laptop. I'm the only one who uses it,
> and can access it, but I worry
> sometimes about someone trying to hack into it when I access the
> internet...is there some security measures I can
> take that m
On 01/21/2013 01:31 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 21.01.2013 19:13, schrieb Tim:
...complete snippage of what indicates why he gets moderated...
oh and your "Put your tin hat on, your fingers in your ears, and
start chanting la la la la la, now" was fine?
Yes, I may be lucky in that my softwar
Am 21.01.2013 19:13, schrieb Tim:
> ...complete snippage of what indicates why he gets moderated...
oh and your "Put your tin hat on, your fingers in your ears, and
start chanting la la la la la, now" was fine?
> Yes, I may be lucky in that my software can use another identifier to
> connect to
On Mon, 2013-01-21 at 17:15 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
...complete snippage of what indicates why he gets moderated...
The original topic /was/ what it was, and still is, the offshoot thread
is what /that/ is, separately. That's how mailing lists work. People
discuss the bits that they discuss
Am 21.01.2013 17:05, schrieb Tim:
> Let me repeat that, it is completely impossible to stop anyone from
> being able to connect to an access point by hiding the SSID. Therefore
> it is categorically not a security measure, in any way shape or form.
> Anyone who argues otherwise is a fool. Put yo
Tim:
>> And there's no such thing as security by obscurity
Reindl Harald:
> obscurity does not replace security
> obscurity is there to EXTEND security
In this case (not broadcasting SSID), has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with
security, and it NEVER can.
Hiding it cannot prevent anyone connecting t
Tim wrote:
On Sat, 2013-01-19 at 14:50 -0700, Paolo Galtieri wrote:
Another idiocy in the F18 installer is that there is no way to
configure wireless connectivity if the WAP does not broadcast its
SSID. Clicking on the configure button does nothing unless you select
an entry from the drop down l
David A. De Graaf wrote:
The other good news, that almost compensates for the horrible installer,
is that systemd has been partly fixed, so you no longer have to append
".service" to every command. What genius thought that up?
"No longer have to have" or "no longer are allowed to have?" Do co
On 01/18/2013 01:26 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
David A. De Graaf wrote:
Fedora 18.
What a disaster! What were they thinking when they threw away a
perfectly good installer and inflicted this new User Interface on us?
Whoever decided to reinvent disk partitioning and embed it in this
installer sh
Lots of routers don't broadcast and whoever is installing it may not control
that. It's broken, just as not showing which disk is which is broken. Its a new
installer, crap happens, but pretending its not a bug isn't remotely useful.
Alan
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Am 21.01.2013 01:07, schrieb Tim:
> And there's no such thing as security by obscurity
obscurity does not replace security
obscurity is there to EXTEND security
update your software to fix exploitable code
but additionally make it hard to guess even what
software and what versions you have runn
Tim:
>> Hiding it is an idiocy promulgated by dimwits who have no idea what
>> they're talking about.
Tom Horsley:
> Actually hiding it is a small mercy which can benefit your
> neighbors, otherwise when they try to connect something
> to their router, they see a dozen SSIDs all named "LINKSYS" :-
Am 20.01.2013 15:26, schrieb Tom Horsley:
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 00:18:18 +1030
> Tim wrote:
>
>> Hiding it is an idiocy promulgated by dimwits who have no idea what
>> they're talking about.
>
> Actually hiding it is a small mercy which can benefit your
> neighbors, otherwise when they try to c
On Mon, 21 Jan 2013 00:18:18 +1030
Tim wrote:
> Hiding it is an idiocy promulgated by dimwits who have no idea what
> they're talking about.
Actually hiding it is a small mercy which can benefit your
neighbors, otherwise when they try to connect something
to their router, they see a dozen SSIDs a
Am 20.01.2013 14:48, schrieb Tim:
> On Sat, 2013-01-19 at 14:50 -0700, Paolo Galtieri wrote:
>> Another idiocy in the F18 installer is that there is no way to
>> configure wireless connectivity if the WAP does not broadcast its
>> SSID. Clicking on the configure button does nothing unless you sel
On Sat, 2013-01-19 at 14:50 -0700, Paolo Galtieri wrote:
> Another idiocy in the F18 installer is that there is no way to
> configure wireless connectivity if the WAP does not broadcast its
> SSID. Clicking on the configure button does nothing unless you select
> an entry from the drop down list.
Am 20.01.2013 01:47, schrieb Paolo Galtieri:
> It's not just because of the installer. Since the installer is so bad what
> other features have they compromised
> on. The F18 feature set includes MATE Desktop, but there is no option to
> install this.
says who?
_
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On 01/19/13 14:57, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 19.01.2013 22:50, schrieb Paolo Galtieri:
I think I'll stay on F14
strange logic
you stay on F14 because you do not like the F18 installer?
WTF - and you did not notice F15,F16,F17 all the time?
F14 does even not work on Sandy Bridge machines from
Am 19.01.2013 23:11, schrieb James Freer:
> On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> so the question remains why you stay on a from SECURITY
>> POINT OF VIEW unacceptable F14 instead install CentOS 6.3
>> which get security updates because what you are saying is
>> in short "fedo
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
>
> Am 19.01.2013 22:50, schrieb Paolo Galtieri:
>> I think I'll stay on F14
>
> strange logic
>
> you stay on F14 because you do not like the F18 installer?
> WTF - and you did not notice F15,F16,F17 all the time?
>
> F14 does even not work
Am 19.01.2013 22:50, schrieb Paolo Galtieri:
> I think I'll stay on F14
strange logic
you stay on F14 because you do not like the F18 installer?
WTF - and you did not notice F15,F16,F17 all the time?
F14 does even not work on Sandy Bridge machines from
2011 because the network card is not supp
On 01/19/13 11:30, David A. De Graaf wrote:
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 05:13:44PM -0500, David A. De Graaf wrote:
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 01:26:36PM -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote:
David A. De Graaf wrote:
Fedora 18.
What a disaster! What were they thinking when they threw away a
perfectly good ins
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 05:13:44PM -0500, David A. De Graaf wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 01:26:36PM -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> > David A. De Graaf wrote:
> > >Fedora 18.
> > >
> > >What a disaster! What were they thinking when they threw away a
> > >perfectly good installer and inflicted th
On Sat, 19 Jan 2013 12:17:28 -0500 Carroll Grigsby
wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:28:19 +0100
> Christopher Svanefalk wrote:
> >
> > > Great big snip
> >
> > Oh for crying out loud, would you people STOP reinforcing my hunch to
> > put off moving to F18 for another month?
> >
> Then, whatever
On Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:28:19 +0100
Christopher Svanefalk wrote:
>
> > Great big snip
>
> Oh for crying out loud, would you people STOP reinforcing my hunch to
> put off moving to F18 for another month?
>
Then, whatever else you may do, don't read this:
http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/fedora-1
On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 1:20 AM, Ondrej Majerech wrote:
> On 18 January 2013 23:40, Roger wrote:
>
>> On 01/19/2013 09:13 AM, David A. De Graaf wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 01:26:36PM -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote:
>>>
David A. De Graaf wrote:
> Fedora 18.
>
> What a d
On 18 January 2013 23:40, Roger wrote:
> On 01/19/2013 09:13 AM, David A. De Graaf wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 01:26:36PM -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote:
>>
>>> David A. De Graaf wrote:
>>>
Fedora 18.
What a disaster! What were they thinking when they threw away a
perfect
Roger wrote:
On 01/19/2013 09:13 AM, David A. De Graaf wrote:
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 01:26:36PM -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote:
David A. De Graaf wrote:
Fedora 18.
What a disaster! What were they thinking when they threw away a
perfectly good installer and inflicted this new User Interface on u
Reindl Harald writes:
> It's simple, I had no problems, it just worked and I have a perfectly good
Fedora 18
let me guess:
primitive setup with one disk
an dnow setup a LVM backed by a RAID10 on 4 disks
with the new installer - what? you can't?
Something tells me that bored "usability expe
Am 18.01.2013 23:40, schrieb Roger:
> On 01/19/2013 09:13 AM, David A. De Graaf wrote:
>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 01:26:36PM -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote:
>>> David A. De Graaf wrote:
Fedora 18.
What a disaster! What were they thinking when they threw away a
perfectly good inst
On 01/19/2013 09:13 AM, David A. De Graaf wrote:
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 01:26:36PM -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote:
David A. De Graaf wrote:
Fedora 18.
What a disaster! What were they thinking when they threw away a
perfectly good installer and inflicted this new User Interface on us?
It's simp
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 01:26:36PM -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> David A. De Graaf wrote:
> >Fedora 18.
> >
> >What a disaster! What were they thinking when they threw away a
> >perfectly good installer and inflicted this new User Interface on us?
Despite the obstacles presented by the new instal
Am 18.01.2013 19:26, schrieb Bill Davidsen:
> After reading this, and the first reply to it, I will cease trying to install
> fc18 on my laptop. "New for the sake
> of being different" is a way of life in Fedora, and I find that the need to
> have the latest is the only objective
> being given
David A. De Graaf wrote:
Fedora 18.
What a disaster! What were they thinking when they threw away a
perfectly good installer and inflicted this new User Interface on us?
Whoever decided to reinvent disk partitioning and embed it in this
installer should be taken out to the woodshed and whupped.
On Thu, 17 Jan 2013 16:03:10 -0500
David A. De Graaf wrote:
> What a disaster! What were they thinking when they threw away a
> perfectly good installer and inflicted this new User Interface on us?
Well, it did lead me to invent a brand new way to install
fedora, so it was good for something :-)
Fedora 18.
What a disaster! What were they thinking when they threw away a
perfectly good installer and inflicted this new User Interface on us?
Whoever decided to reinvent disk partitioning and embed it in this
installer should be taken out to the woodshed and whupped. Has
everyone forgotten th
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