Re: Why no icons? Was, Re: How to switch back to metacity

2011-05-31 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Michael Schwendt writes: On Sat, 28 May 2011 14:54:16 -0400, SV wrote: > And I still find no equivalent settings for having my input focus follow the > mouse pointer, and for windows to autoraise upon gaining focus. Ironically, these old settings do still work in GNOME Shell, too: gconft

Re: Why no icons? Was, Re: How to switch back to metacity

2011-05-31 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sat, 28 May 2011 14:54:16 -0400, SV wrote: > And I still find no equivalent settings for having my input focus follow the > mouse pointer, and for windows to autoraise upon gaining focus. Ironically, these old settings do still work in GNOME Shell, too: gconftool-2 --set -t bool /apps/met

Re: Why no icons? Was, Re: How to switch back to metacity

2011-05-30 Thread Genes MailLists
On 05/30/2011 12:33 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 05/29/2011 08:26 PM, jdow wrote: >> This may be informative and may help. >> >> "https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=643457"; >> > > That bug has to do with the hidden Power Off button, but I think I can > extrapolate from it. Thanx. When i

Re: Why no icons? Was, Re: How to switch back to metacity

2011-05-29 Thread Joe Zeff
On 05/29/2011 08:26 PM, jdow wrote: > This may be informative and may help. > > "https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=643457"; > That bug has to do with the hidden Power Off button, but I think I can extrapolate from it. Thanx. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubs

Re: Why no icons? Was, Re: How to switch back to metacity

2011-05-29 Thread jdow
On 2011/05/29 16:39, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 05/29/2011 12:37 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design >> >> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/FAQ >> >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list > > All I could find on any of these sites that seemed relevan

Re: Why no icons? Was, Re: How to switch back to metacity

2011-05-29 Thread Joe Zeff
On 05/29/2011 12:37 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design > > http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/FAQ > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-shell-list All I could find on any of these sites that seemed relevant (I didn't take the time to go hunting throug

Re: Why no icons? Was, Re: How to switch back to metacity

2011-05-29 Thread David
On 5/29/2011 4:05 PM, Greg Woods wrote: > >> Did you install the Guest Additions and run the script to compile the >> Vbox drivers? > > I could have sworn that I had, but I went through this process again > anyway, and sure enough, the install of guest additions behaved very > differently this ti

Re: Why no icons? Was, Re: How to switch back to metacity

2011-05-29 Thread Greg Woods
> Did you install the Guest Additions and run the script to compile the > Vbox drivers? I could have sworn that I had, but I went through this process again anyway, and sure enough, the install of guest additions behaved very differently this time. Last time, I had not yet run the guest on a syst

Re: Why no icons? Was, Re: How to switch back to metacity

2011-05-29 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 29 May 2011 12:01:51 -0700 Joe Zeff wrote: > On 05/29/2011 11:51 AM, Steven Stern wrote: > > Because that was hashed out a long time ago in the F15 alpha days > > and on the Gnome mailing lists. Now, it is what it it is. > > Please understand that my interest is only academic; I don't u

Re: Why no icons? Was, Re: How to switch back to metacity

2011-05-29 Thread Joe Zeff
On 05/29/2011 11:51 AM, Steven Stern wrote: > Because that was hashed out a long time ago in the F15 alpha days and on > the Gnome mailing lists. Now, it is what it it is. Please understand that my interest is only academic; I don't use Gnome any more. Gnome can go in whatever direction it want

Re: Why no icons? Was, Re: How to switch back to metacity

2011-05-29 Thread Steven Stern
On 05/29/2011 01:42 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 05/29/2011 11:26 AM, Greg Woods wrote: >> Seems to be a very delicate thing. In that case, they are talking about >> Vbox running with F15 as the host OS and an Ubuntu 11.04 guest running >> Gnome Shell > > Am I the only person on this list that finds it

Why no icons? Was, Re: How to switch back to metacity

2011-05-29 Thread Andre Robatino
Greg Woods ucar.edu> writes: > Seems to be a very delicate thing. In that case, they are talking about > Vbox running with F15 as the host OS and an Ubuntu 11.04 guest running > Gnome Shell. What I am trying to do (basically following those > instructions) is to run an F15 guest with Vbox running

Re: Why no icons? Was, Re: How to switch back to metacity

2011-05-29 Thread Joe Zeff
On 05/29/2011 11:26 AM, Greg Woods wrote: > Seems to be a very delicate thing. In that case, they are talking about > Vbox running with F15 as the host OS and an Ubuntu 11.04 guest running > Gnome Shell Am I the only person on this list that finds it odd that not one of the posts in this thread h

Re: Why no icons? Was, Re: How to switch back to metacity

2011-05-29 Thread David
On 5/29/2011 2:26 PM, Greg Woods wrote: > On Sun, 2011-05-29 at 21:16 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> I just know of reports of it working with the >> latest version. For instance >> >> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/05/virtualbox-408-released-with-gnome.html > > Seems to be a very delicate thing.

Re: Why no icons? Was, Re: How to switch back to metacity

2011-05-29 Thread Greg Woods
On Sun, 2011-05-29 at 21:16 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > I just know of reports of it working with the > latest version. For instance > > http://www.webupd8.org/2011/05/virtualbox-408-released-with-gnome.html Seems to be a very delicate thing. In that case, they are talking about Vbox runnin

Re: Why no icons? Was, Re: How to switch back to metacity

2011-05-29 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/29/2011 09:05 PM, Greg Woods wrote: > > I have been unable to get this to work. I am using Vbox 4.0.8 (latest > version) and the Nvidia proprietary drivers. I have checked "enable 3D > acceleration" in the Vbox settings for this VM. But Gnome 3 still starts > in fallback mode. What else is ne

Re: Why no icons? Was, Re: How to switch back to metacity

2011-05-29 Thread Greg Woods
On Sun, 2011-05-29 at 20:34 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > GNOME 3 runs fine on a VM including the fallback mode. GNOME Shell also > runs on a VM if you look at the latest version of VirtualBox. I have been unable to get this to work. I am using Vbox 4.0.8 (latest version) and the Nvidia propr

Re: Why no icons? Was, Re: How to switch back to metacity

2011-05-29 Thread Alan Cox
> being done by Adam Jackson from Red Hat to include support for software > rendering of GNOME Shell or more accurately, Clutter, the toolkit used > by GNOME Shell. This is not done yet and it is not clear how efficient > it would be Is this pure software or using 2D acceleration where possible.

Re: Why no icons? Was, Re: How to switch back to metacity

2011-05-29 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 05/29/2011 08:25 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: > They have the power to say "not ready" though. And the alpha of fc15 > shipped > with a GNOME3 which runs in a VM and doesn't require a magic video card. Was > that capability deliberately removed from the final fc15, or was it part of > the > offic

Re: Why no icons? Was, Re: How to switch back to metacity

2011-05-29 Thread Bill Davidsen
Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Sat, 28 May 2011 17:27:36 -0400 > Bill Davidsen wrote: > > ...snip... > >> I am not too surprised about GNOME3, but I thought the Fedora >> decision making group were better people than that and would offer >> GNOME2 for some length of time rather than offer no option at al

Re: Why no icons? Was, Re: How to switch back to metacity

2011-05-29 Thread Bill Davidsen
Peter Boy wrote: > Am Samstag, den 28.05.2011, 17:27 -0400 schrieb Bill Davidsen: >> Learning new things is good, having to learn a new way to do the old >> things, not so much. > > That is exactly my problem as well. Unfortunately I couldn't spent the > time over the last months to make my own exp

Re: Why no icons? Was, Re: How to switch back to metacity

2011-05-29 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 28 May 2011 17:27:36 -0400 Bill Davidsen wrote: ...snip... > I am not too surprised about GNOME3, but I thought the Fedora > decision making group were better people than that and would offer > GNOME2 for some length of time rather than offer no option at all but > retrain. That might ma

Re: Why no icons? Was, Re: How to switch back to metacity

2011-05-29 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Peter Boy writes: Am Samstag, den 28.05.2011, 17:27 -0400 schrieb Bill Davidsen: > Learning new things is good, having to learn a new way to do the old > things, not so much. That is exactly my problem as well. Unfortunately I couldn't spent the time over the last months to make my own experien

Re: Why no icons? Was, Re: How to switch back to metacity

2011-05-29 Thread Peter Boy
Am Samstag, den 28.05.2011, 17:27 -0400 schrieb Bill Davidsen: > Learning new things is good, having to learn a new way to do the old > things, not so much. That is exactly my problem as well. Unfortunately I couldn't spent the time over the last months to make my own experiences using the betas

Re: Why no icons? Was, Re: How to switch back to metacity

2011-05-28 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Bill Davidsen writes: Retraining users to use GNOME3 and finding new tools to do old tasks is as productive as a decision to change from left hand to right hand drive cars while learning a from an instruction manual written in a language they have to learn first. Learning new things is good

Re: Why no icons? Was, Re: How to switch back to metacity

2011-05-28 Thread Joe Zeff
On 05/28/2011 02:27 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: > Hubris? Developers infected with a "Windows Mentality" virus which causes them > to feel that providing a consistent user interface the user can't change is > morally superior to the "Have it your way" approach. You may be right in general. I don't k

Re: Why no icons? Was, Re: How to switch back to metacity

2011-05-28 Thread Bill Davidsen
Joe Zeff wrote: > On 05/28/2011 05:31 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: >> >> My biggest culture shock is losing all of my desktop icons. > > Now this is something I just can't understand. I don't want to start an > argument, but does anybody know why this decision was made? Hubris? Developers infected

Re: Why no icons? Was, Re: How to switch back to metacity

2011-05-28 Thread Joe Zeff
On 05/28/2011 11:08 AM, Steven Stern wrote: > Install gnome-tweak-tool and select "Have the File Manager handle the > desktop". Thank you, but that doesn't answer my question. And, as I now use XFCE not Gnome, I have no need of gnome-tweak-tool. Still, it may help those of you using Gnome 3. -

Re: Why no icons? Was, Re: How to switch back to metacity

2011-05-28 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Steven Stern writes: On 05/28/2011 12:57 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 05/28/2011 05:31 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: >> >> My biggest culture shock is losing all of my desktop icons. > > Now this is something I just can't understand. I don't want to start an > argument, but does anybody know why this

Re: Why no icons? Was, Re: How to switch back to metacity

2011-05-28 Thread Steven Stern
On 05/28/2011 12:57 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 05/28/2011 05:31 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: >> >> My biggest culture shock is losing all of my desktop icons. > > Now this is something I just can't understand. I don't want to start an > argument, but does anybody know why this decision was made? Inst

Why no icons? Was, Re: How to switch back to metacity

2011-05-28 Thread Joe Zeff
On 05/28/2011 05:31 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > > My biggest culture shock is losing all of my desktop icons. Now this is something I just can't understand. I don't want to start an argument, but does anybody know why this decision was made? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: How to switch back to metacity

2011-05-28 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Sam Varshavchik writes: After updating F14 to F15, my user account was automatically reconfigured to launch the new gnome shell. I'd like to switch back to metacity, at least for a while, but I am unable to find any way to do it through any of the available GUIs. How do I switch back to m

How to switch back to metacity

2011-05-28 Thread Sam Varshavchik
After updating F14 to F15, my user account was automatically reconfigured to launch the new gnome shell. I'd like to switch back to metacity, at least for a while, but I am unable to find any way to do it through any of the available GUIs. How do I switch back to metacity? My biggest cultu