Re: Growing frustration with Gnome Shell

> Something about it also introduces a delay. If I run emacs in a plain > old FVWM session with no 3D composting going on, it is perfectly > functional. > > If I run it under gnome-shell, I notice things like moving the cursor > to extend the selection introduces a distinct delay that makes it > v

Re: Growing frustration with Gnome Shell

> Besides, it's 2011. "3D-crap" is going to be available on any modern > computer and there's no reason a modern desktop-targetted system > should ignore it. Compiz (which has nicer "3D crap" than Gnome3) was > happily running on my systems (including a cheap laptop) 4 years ago. > And if you do ne

Re: Growing frustration with Gnome Shell

On 11 August 2011 20:08, Alan Cox wrote: >> are borked with a standard-desktop because some developers >> are thinking it is cool rely on 3D-crap > > The sad thing is almost none of the 3D dependancies are remotely > necessary as far as I can see - just about every 'clever' effect it has > Enlight

Re: Growing frustration with Gnome Shell

On 11 August 2011 18:10, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 11.08.2011 18:52, schrieb Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak: >> On 08/11/2011 12:44 PM, Steven Stern wrote: >>> I've been using Gnome Shell since the alphas of F15 and I keep hoping >>> that a few things get fixed.  I don't know if they're general prob

Re: Growing frustration with Gnome Shell

On 08/11/2011 05:44 PM, Tim wrote: > This isn't Windows, and we're not Windows users. And even if large numbers of us jump ship and go to a different DE, the Gnome devs won't care as long as there are Gnome-centric distros out there. They know that most newcomers to Linux will take whatever DE

Re: Growing frustration with Gnome Shell

On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 20:08:35 +0100 Alan Cox wrote: > The sad thing is almost none of the 3D dependancies are remotely > necessary as far as I can see - just about every 'clever' effect it has > Enlightenments Evas seems to do faster while abstracting the canvas > underneath to work with just about

Re: Growing frustration with Gnome Shell

On Thu, 2011-08-11 at 09:59 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > I question your statement that "Gnome Shell is the future of Fedora," > because I've seen a number of posts both here and at fedoraforum.org > from people like me who still use Fedora but have jumped ship on > Gnome. Sometimes the answer with ba

Re: Growing frustration with Gnome Shell

On 08/11/2011 06:49 PM, Steven Stern wrote: >> >> > I'm now using XFCE with AWN. I do like some eye candy and a Mac-like > desktop. I'll switch back to Gnome when I see yum dropping off a new > version of the shell. > > Meantime, I'm trying to figure out how to get the media keys on my > keyboar

Re: Growing frustration with Gnome Shell

On 08/11/2011 05:42 PM, Paul Morgan wrote: > > On Aug 11, 2011 6:03 PM, "Steven Stern" > wrote: >> >> On 08/11/2011 03:37 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote: >> > On Thu, 2011-08-11 at 11:44 -0500, Steven Stern wrote: >> >> I've been using Gnome Shell since the alphas

Re: Growing frustration with Gnome Shell

On Aug 11, 2011 6:03 PM, "Steven Stern" wrote: > > On 08/11/2011 03:37 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > On Thu, 2011-08-11 at 11:44 -0500, Steven Stern wrote: > >> I've been using Gnome Shell since the alphas of F15 and I keep hoping > >> that a few things get fixed. I don't know if they're general p

Re: Growing frustration with Gnome Shell

On 08/11/2011 03:37 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > On Thu, 2011-08-11 at 11:44 -0500, Steven Stern wrote: >> I've been using Gnome Shell since the alphas of F15 and I keep hoping >> that a few things get fixed. I don't know if they're general problems >> or widespread. I've make a point of putting thi

Re: Growing frustration with Gnome Shell

On Thu, 2011-08-11 at 11:44 -0500, Steven Stern wrote: > I've been using Gnome Shell since the alphas of F15 and I keep hoping > that a few things get fixed. I don't know if they're general problems > or widespread. I've make a point of putting things in Bugzilla. But, my > problems are not going

Re: Growing frustration with Gnome Shell

On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 20:08:35 +0100 Alan Cox wrote: > The sad thing is almost none of the 3D dependancies are remotely > necessary as far as I can see - just about every 'clever' effect it has > Enlightenments Evas seems to do faster while abstracting the canvas > underneath to work with just about

Re: Growing frustration with Gnome Shell

> are borked with a standard-desktop because some developers > are thinking it is cool rely on 3D-crap The sad thing is almost none of the 3D dependancies are remotely necessary as far as I can see - just about every 'clever' effect it has Enlightenments Evas seems to do faster while abstracting t

Re: Growing frustration with Gnome Shell

On 08/11/2011 01:10 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> Maybe try another video card (one that uses a different driver) > > it is simply UNACCEPTABLE writing a linux-desktop where you have > troubles with most video cards. there are enough of them where Luckily, gnome-shell works with most video cards,

Re: Growing frustration with Gnome Shell

Am 11.08.2011 18:52, schrieb Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak: > On 08/11/2011 12:44 PM, Steven Stern wrote: >> I've been using Gnome Shell since the alphas of F15 and I keep hoping >> that a few things get fixed. I don't know if they're general problems >> or widespread. I've make a point of putting th

Re: Growing frustration with Gnome Shell

On 08/11/2011 10:33 AM, Ian Malone wrote: > Personally I'm going to stick it out for a while. No reason not to if, on the whole, it does what you want the way you want it to. That's one of the great things about Linux: there's not One True Way that everybody has to do things whether they want t

Re: Growing frustration with Gnome Shell

On 11 August 2011 17:59, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 08/11/2011 09:44 AM, Steven Stern wrote: >> I've make a point of putting things in Bugzilla. > > And, I question your > statement that "Gnome Shell is the future of Fedora," because I've seen > a number of posts both here and at fedoraforum.org from pe

Re: Growing frustration with Gnome Shell

On 11 August 2011 18:00, Steven Stern wrote: > On 08/11/2011 11:52 AM, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: >> On 08/11/2011 12:44 PM, Steven Stern wrote: >>> I've been using Gnome Shell since the alphas of F15 and I keep hoping >>> that a few things get fixed.  I don't know if they're general problems

Re: Growing frustration with Gnome Shell

On Thu, 2011-08-11 at 12:00 -0500, Steven Stern wrote: > On 08/11/2011 11:52 AM, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: > > On 08/11/2011 12:44 PM, Steven Stern wrote: > >> I've been using Gnome Shell since the alphas of F15 and I keep hoping > >> that a few things get fixed. I don't know if they're gene

Re: Growing frustration with Gnome Shell

On 08/11/2011 11:52 AM, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: > On 08/11/2011 12:44 PM, Steven Stern wrote: >> I've been using Gnome Shell since the alphas of F15 and I keep hoping >> that a few things get fixed. I don't know if they're general problems >> or widespread. I've make a point of putting thi

Re: Growing frustration with Gnome Shell

On 08/11/2011 09:44 AM, Steven Stern wrote: > I've make a point of putting things in Bugzilla. You might do better if you use Gnome's Bugzilla at http://bugzilla.gnome.org/index.cgi instead. And, I question your statement that "Gnome Shell is the future of Fedora," because I've seen a number o

Re: Growing frustration with Gnome Shell

On 08/11/2011 12:44 PM, Steven Stern wrote: > I've been using Gnome Shell since the alphas of F15 and I keep hoping > that a few things get fixed. I don't know if they're general problems > or widespread. I've make a point of putting things in Bugzilla. But, my > problems are not going away. May

Growing frustration with Gnome Shell

I've been using Gnome Shell since the alphas of F15 and I keep hoping that a few things get fixed. I don't know if they're general problems or widespread. I've make a point of putting things in Bugzilla. But, my problems are not going away. Big problems: 1. Pressing ALT-TAB crashes the shell.