Re: Fwd: Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

2013-07-09 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2013-07-08 at 13:26 -0700, Robert Holtzman wrote: > A poor workman blames his tools. And an idiot thinks there's nothing wrong with broken tools. Some programmers, and users, seriously need to read "The Emperor's New Clothes." -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 D

Re: Fwd: Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

2013-07-09 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2013-07-08 at 16:03 +, davidscha...@mobilicity.blackberry.com wrote: > Sorry for top posting this. My bb won't allow bottom posting. Or for thread hijacking? (Your message was not in reply to what I wrote, but that's how you posted it...) > My nfs server is running fc5. Very outdated

Re: Fwd: Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

2013-07-09 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2013-07-08 at 16:39 +, Bill Oliver wrote: > One security-oriented response to your statement is that you > fundamentally never know whether or not you have been compromised. > You only know you have not discovered evidence of a compromise. Yet another reason for fresh installs, rather

Re: Fwd: Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

2013-07-09 Thread François Patte
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 08/07/2013 22:26, Robert Holtzman a écrit : > On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 12:12:12PM +0200, François Patte wrote: >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 >> >> >> >> >> Many thanks to all those crapy packagers who think that common >> peopl

Re: Fwd: Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

2013-07-08 Thread Fred Smith
On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 09:47:56AM -0400, Temlakos wrote: > On 07/08/2013 08:58 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > >Alexander Volovics wrote: > > > >>Du calme, Francois. Ce que nous voyons ici c'est: > >>'Monsieur Hulot et les ordinateurs' ou 'Francois et les ordinateurs'. > >> > >>First there are 'instal

Re: Fwd: Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

2013-07-08 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 12:12:12PM +0200, François Patte wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > - Message original > Sujet: Re: rant of the day: installing fedora > Date : Mon, 08 Jul 2013 10:54:28 +0200 > De : François Patte > Organisation : Universi

Re: Fwd: Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

2013-07-08 Thread lee
Alexander Volovics writes: > (It's a lot like reading math books/papers skipping the proofs > because you want to try them yourselve first). > Here you browse the guides and then experiment with anaconda. > > And François is no newcomer to the list or linux. That a non-newcomer cannot figure ou

Re: Fwd: Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

2013-07-08 Thread Bill Oliver
On Mon, 8 Jul 2013, davidscha...@mobilicity.blackberry.com wrote: Sorry for top posting this. My bb won't allow bottom posting. My $0.02 on this topic. My nfs server is running fc5. Very outdated but I see no reason to upgrade it as there are 3 firewalls between it and the Net. It is doing w

Re: Fwd: Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

2013-07-08 Thread François Patte
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 08/07/2013 18:03, davidscha...@mobilicity.blackberry.com a écrit : > Sorry for top posting this. My bb won't allow bottom posting. > > My $0.02 on this topic. > > My nfs server is running fc5. Very outdated but I see no reason to > upgrade it as

Re: Fwd: Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

2013-07-08 Thread davidschaak1
users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 00:52:10 To: Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: rant of the day: installing fedora Allegedly, on or about 08 July 2013, François Patte sent: > But this requires to have two computers: while you ins

Re: Fwd: Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

2013-07-08 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 08 July 2013, François Patte sent: > But this requires to have two computers: while you install one, you > follow the instructions on the other. I've, long since, come to realise that it's nearly impossible to manage with just one computer. Your instructions are on-file/on-

Re: Fwd: Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

2013-07-08 Thread François Patte
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 08/07/2013 13:49, Alexander Volovics a écrit : > On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 12:12:12PM +0200, François Patte wrote: > >> Le 08/07/2013 10:02, jehan procaccia a écrit : >>> I did had the possibility to partition manually ! I choosed my >>> disk, unche

Re: Fwd: Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

2013-07-08 Thread Alexander Volovics
On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 02:58:47PM +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote: > The default should always be to leave things as they are, > as far as possible. Did you protest against the new anaconda, I can't remember. I didn't because I believe in flexibility and adaptation, certainly when the end result is

Re: Fwd: Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

2013-07-08 Thread Temlakos
On 07/08/2013 08:58 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: Alexander Volovics wrote: Du calme, Francois. Ce que nous voyons ici c'est: 'Monsieur Hulot et les ordinateurs' ou 'Francois et les ordinateurs'. First there are 'installation guides' (though one is too terse and the other long-winded and turgid).

Re: Fwd: Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

2013-07-08 Thread Timothy Murphy
Alexander Volovics wrote: > Du calme, Francois. Ce que nous voyons ici c'est: > 'Monsieur Hulot et les ordinateurs' ou 'Francois et les ordinateurs'. > > First there are 'installation guides' (though one is too terse and the > other long-winded and turgid). > By browsing these you would have know

Re: Fwd: Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

2013-07-08 Thread Alexander Volovics
On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 12:12:12PM +0200, François Patte wrote: > Le 08/07/2013 10:02, jehan procaccia a écrit : > > I did had the possibility to partition manually ! I choosed my disk, > > uncheck it and check it again then it proposed me to partition > > manullay ("personalisé "). that's for th

Fwd: Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

2013-07-08 Thread François Patte
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - Message original Sujet: Re: rant of the day: installing fedora Date : Mon, 08 Jul 2013 10:54:28 +0200 De : François Patte Organisation : Université Paris Descartes Pour : jehan.procac...@tem-tsp.eu Le 08/07/2013 10:02, jehan pro