Garry T. Williams writes:
On Sunday, 20 April 2025 17:45:44 EDT Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> I estimate that I'll be able to use my setup for no more than 2-3
> years, max, before X11 is sacrificed on the altar of progress, and
> latest and greatest.
I just updated a workstation to f41 and didn't
On Sun, 2025-04-20 at 22:16 -0400, Garry T. Williams wrote:
> On Sunday, 20 April 2025 17:45:44 EDT Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> > I estimate that I'll be able to use my setup for no more than 2-3
> > years, max, before X11 is sacrificed on the altar of progress, and
> > latest and greatest.
>
> I j
On 4/20/25 10:40 PM, Tim via users wrote:
On Sun, 2025-04-20 at 22:16 -0400, Garry T. Williams wrote:
Wayland is still broken as far as I am concerned when it comes to
session restore stuff and new window placement. But I notice that I
can ssh to that system and run x11 apps (over the local net
On Sun, 2025-04-20 at 20:51 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> I rooted through all of the gory details, icccm, ewmh, and X11 primitives,
> some time ago. It's all there. The fly in the ointment is that the nuts and
> the bolts of it are difficult use, cumbersome, and lack some convenient
> feat
On Sun, 2025-04-20 at 22:16 -0400, Garry T. Williams wrote:
> Wayland is still broken as far as I am concerned when it comes to
> session restore stuff and new window placement. But I notice that I
> can ssh to that system and run x11 apps (over the local network) no
> problem. Wayland supplies a
On Sunday, 20 April 2025 17:45:44 EDT Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> I estimate that I'll be able to use my setup for no more than 2-3
> years, max, before X11 is sacrificed on the altar of progress, and
> latest and greatest.
I just updated a workstation to f41 and didn't install the x11 KDE
componen
Patrick O'Callaghan writes:
On Sun, 2025-04-20 at 17:45 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> > One of the big problems with containers (including Flatpaks) is that
> > they don't integrate well with the desktop environment. Then the app
> > relies on the DE to (say) print things, there's usually some
On Sun, 2025-04-20 at 17:45 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> > One of the big problems with containers (including Flatpaks) is that
> > they don't integrate well with the desktop environment. Then the app
> > relies on the DE to (say) print things, there's usually some jumping
> > through hoops to b
Joe Zeff writes:
On 04/20/2025 06:14 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
I think what this is, overall, is watching idiocracy evolve, in realtime.
Personally, I've always considered Ubuntu to be designed for Windows
refugees. They want to get away from the built in problems of Windows but
don't
Patrick O'Callaghan writes:
On Sun, 2025-04-20 at 08:14 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
>
> The Firefox snap in Ubuntu doesn't even start in a VNC session. Everyone
> appears to be ok with fiddling with environment variables, in order to do
> that. Nobody appears to believe that there's something
On Sun, 2025-04-20 at 11:54 -0600, Joe Zeff wrote:
> Personally, I've always considered Ubuntu to be designed for Windows
> refugees. They want to get away from the built in problems of Windows
> but don't want to learn how to do things properly.
I'd come to a similar conclusion. Windows refug
On 04/20/2025 06:14 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
I think what this is, overall, is watching idiocracy evolve, in realtime.
Personally, I've always considered Ubuntu to be designed for Windows
refugees. They want to get away from the built in problems of Windows
but don't want to learn how to
On Sun, 2025-04-20 at 08:14 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> Tim via users writes:
>
> > 3) Thanks to sandboxing, or just plain lack of functionality,
> >we get apps that can't print, for instance.
> >
> > I've got ones that can't, I have to print to PDF, then find something
> > else to print
Tim via users writes:
3) Thanks to sandboxing, or just plain lack of functionality,
we get apps that can't print, for instance.
I've got ones that can't, I have to print to PDF, then find something
else to print that PDF (which will fail when they eventually appimage
the whatever that prints
Tim:
> > But I'd argue that the hierarchies were there for a good reason.
> > *Simple* no-access to some things for some people/software. *Simple*
> > more privileged access to things in /sbin to those who had it in their
> > path, and lesser privileged versions of a command with the same name to
On Sat, 2025-04-19 at 17:07 +, Bob Marčan via users wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Apr 2025 09:11:16 -0300
> "George N. White III" wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Apr 18, 2025 at 10:32 PM Tim via users
> > wrote:
> > On Fri, 2025-04-18 at 18:38 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
>
> > > This malarkey is up there wit
On Sat, 19 Apr 2025 09:11:16 -0300
"George N. White III" wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2025 at 10:32 PM Tim via users
> wrote:
> On Fri, 2025-04-18 at 18:38 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> > This malarkey is up there with we can't have /usr in a separate mount
> > point, any more, because we've put
On Fri, Apr 18, 2025 at 10:32 PM Tim via users <
users@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 2025-04-18 at 18:38 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> > I forgot what were the actual, technical reasons for collapsing bin
> > and sbin, except for "other distributions did it too". But the deed
> > is
Tim via users writes:
Hell, why don't just we just dump *everything* into one huge directory?
That's make it really easy to manage (not). I get the impression that
there's too many un-trained programmers in the world, and much of what
they've learned has come from bad examples.
This malarkey i
On Fri, 2025-04-18 at 18:38 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
> I forgot what were the actual, technical reasons for collapsing bin
> and sbin, except for "other distributions did it too". But the deed
> is done, and one just has to deal with the aftermath:
The artificial idiot listed these summaries:
Charles Dennett writes:
Just wanted to add that I found a bugzilla report:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2360491
I predict there's going to be a lot of this, for a year or so. I forgot what
were the actual, technical reasons for collapsing bin and sbin, except for
"other dis
On 4/18/25 9:36 AM, Charles Dennett wrote:
Upgraded my home server/desktop machine yesterday and all seemed ok.
When I checked this morning I discovered that output from overnight cron
jobs had gone to the journal log rather than being emailed to me. Also
logwatch had failed to run.
I quickl
Upgraded my home server/desktop machine yesterday and all seemed ok.
When I checked this morning I discovered that output from overnight cron
jobs had gone to the journal log rather than being emailed to me. Also
logwatch had failed to run.
I quickly checked logwatch first by manually running
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