Re: Fedora-20 beta -

2013-12-17 Thread Ian Malone
On 17 December 2013 20:43, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 12/17/2013 12:32 PM, Ian Malone wrote: >> >> People with the time, resources and >> inclination are more than welcome to run beta. > > And, as far as running beta goes, I have the time and the resources, but not > the inclination. Yes, I was trying

Re: Fedora-20 beta -

2013-12-17 Thread Ian Malone
On 17 December 2013 20:28, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Dec 17, 2013, at 1:22 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > >> On 12/17/2013 11:57 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote: >>> Joe, if I must justify my actions, and I question that, there's no "big >>> rush" it's just another form of amusement for me. >> >> No, you don't nee

Re: Fedora-20 beta -

2013-12-17 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/17/2013 12:52 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: Fedora doesn't magically get more stable. It's due to testing, bug reporting, and triaging those bugs, much of which is done by volunteers. The more testers, the better the coverage, the more bugs are found before release. The stability depends in la

Re: Fedora-20 beta -

2013-12-17 Thread Bob Goodwin
On 17/12/13 14:22, Chris Murphy wrote: Check commonbugs, in particular this one pertaining to pre-release installation /root permissions: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F20_bugs#.2Froot_permissions_incorrect_on_pre-release_installations Chris Murphy Ok, I changed the permissions as sugg

Re: Fedora-20 beta -

2013-12-17 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 13:38:49 -0500 Bob Goodwin wrote: > What do I do with a Fedora-20 beta install to update it? yum or dnf update it. -- Regards, Frank www.frankly3d.com -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: ht

Re: Fedora-20 beta -

2013-12-17 Thread Chris Murphy
On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:05 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote: > On 17/12/13 13:49, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 13:38:49 -0500 >> Bob Goodwin wrote: >> >>> What do I do with a Fedora-20 beta install to update it? It was >>> updated early this morning an

Re: Fedora-20 beta -

2013-12-17 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/17/2013 10:48 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote: As I said I updated it around 04:00 this morning before the official release time so it would seem it whould be updated to the max. Why be in such a hurry to upgrade? Is being an early adopter that important to you? On the first day or so of a new

Re: Fedora-20 beta -

2013-12-17 Thread Bob Goodwin
On 17/12/13 13:49, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 13:38:49 -0500 Bob Goodwin wrote: What do I do with a Fedora-20 beta install to update it? It was updated early this morning and I suspect it is now the equivalent of the new release. You will need to do a 'yum distro-sync&#

Re: Fedora-20 beta -

2013-12-17 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 13:38:49 -0500 Bob Goodwin wrote: > What do I do with a Fedora-20 beta install to update it? It was > updated early this morning and I suspect it is now the equivalent of > the new release. > > Will I have problems with yum updates? > > Presently

Fedora-20 beta -

2013-12-17 Thread Bob Goodwin
What do I do with a Fedora-20 beta install to update it? It was updated early this morning and I suspect it is now the equivalent of the new release. Will I have problems with yum updates? Presently it shows: [bobg@box10 ~]$ uname -a Linux box10 3.11.10-300.fc20.x86_64 #1 SMP Fri Nov 29 19:16

Re: Fedora-20 beta -

2013-12-17 Thread Bob Goodwin
On 17/12/13 13:40, Frank Murphy wrote: On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 13:38:49 -0500 Bob Goodwin wrote: What do I do with a Fedora-20 beta install to update it? yum or dnf update it. [root@box10 bobg]# yum update Loaded plugins: langpacks, refresh-packagekit No packages marked for update So I can

Re: Fedora-20 beta -

2013-12-17 Thread Chris Murphy
On Dec 17, 2013, at 1:43 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > > And, as far as running beta goes, I have the time and the resources, but not > the inclination. Cleaning up after an upgrade hung, or otherwise failed so > that I don't have to do a complete re-install and figure out what packages I > forgot t

Re: Fedora-20 beta -

2013-12-17 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/17/2013 12:32 PM, Ian Malone wrote: In fact by definition it's people running pre-release for whatever reason who are doing the testing! And even if you don't want, or don't think you're wanted, to fill out test matrices, you can still provide feedback on individual packages. People with th

Re: Fedora-20 beta -

2013-12-17 Thread Bob Goodwin
On 17/12/13 14:25, Joe Zeff wrote: Why be in such a hurry to upgrade? Is being an early adopter that important to you? On the first day or so of a new release, the repos are going to be slammed, just as the MS servers are on Patch Tuesday. And, of course, there's always the few (we hope) bugs

Re: Fedora-20 beta -

2013-12-17 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/17/2013 11:57 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote: Joe, if I must justify my actions, and I question that, there's no "big rush" it's just another form of amusement for me. No, you don't need to justify your actions; if you find it amusing to be an early adopter and deal with all of the last-minute oo

Re: Fedora-20 beta -

2013-12-17 Thread Ian Malone
On 17 December 2013 19:57, Bob Goodwin wrote: > On 17/12/13 14:25, Joe Zeff wrote: >> >> Why be in such a hurry to upgrade? Is being an early adopter that >> important to you? On the first day or so of a new release, the repos are >> going to be slammed, just as the MS servers are on Patch Tuesd

Re: Fedora-20 beta -

2013-12-17 Thread Chris Murphy
On Dec 17, 2013, at 1:22 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 12/17/2013 11:57 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote: >> Joe, if I must justify my actions, and I question that, there's no "big >> rush" it's just another form of amusement for me. > > No, you don't need to justify your actions; if you find it amusing to be