Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-07-02 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/02/2015 12:05 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: The display is unchanged; I still see the login dialog / prompt / whatever was on screen previously. (Although with updated kernels, TTY switching results in an unrecoverable black screen.) Have you tried the Magic SysRq key? Even in single-user m

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-07-02 Thread Chris Murphy
On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > On 2015-07-02 13:56, Chris Murphy wrote: >> On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: >>> I recently installed F22 (KDE spin) from scratch on a new Dell M6800. >>> The Live CD seems to run okay, but when I try to boot the insta

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-07-02 Thread Matthew Woehlke
On 2015-06-23 21:22, Suvayu Ali wrote: > On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 10:00:14AM -0400, Matthew Woehlke wrote: >> On 2015-06-22 14:15, Marko Vojinovic wrote: >>> As a side note, AFAIK now sshd is disabled on fresh installs. Do a >>> "systemctl enable sshd" and "systemctl start sshd" (and verify with >>>

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-07-02 Thread Matthew Woehlke
On 2015-07-02 13:56, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: >> I recently installed F22 (KDE spin) from scratch on a new Dell M6800. >> The Live CD seems to run okay, but when I try to boot the installed OS, >> it freezes when I try to log in. The machine is e

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-07-02 Thread Chris Murphy
On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > I recently installed F22 (KDE spin) from scratch on a new Dell M6800. > The Live CD seems to run okay, but when I try to boot the installed OS, > it freezes when I try to log in. The machine is effectively unusable as > a result. Is it act

F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-07-02 Thread Matthew Woehlke
I recently installed F22 (KDE spin) from scratch on a new Dell M6800. The Live CD seems to run okay, but when I try to boot the installed OS, it freezes when I try to log in. The machine is effectively unusable as a result. Through much pain and anguish I have managed to install updates (up to dat

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-23 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 10:00:14AM -0400, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > On 2015-06-22 14:15, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > > As a side note, AFAIK now sshd is disabled on fresh installs. Do a > > "systemctl enable sshd" and "systemctl start sshd" (and verify with > > "systemctl status sshd"), and retry to lo

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-23 Thread Matthew Woehlke
On 2015-06-22 14:15, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > If the same set of steps don't work and then start working and then > don't work again, I am thinking memory or the harddrive. Hmm... and... first try (just now) to boot the LiveCD got stuck ('LSB init' IIRC). Second worked... > Boot from a live image

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-22 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Mon, 22 Jun 2015 12:16:09 -0400 Matthew Woehlke wrote: > On 2015-06-20 06:38, Tim wrote: > > Allegedly, on or about 19 June 2015, Matthew Woehlke sent: > >> Remember, I *can't log in*. Not via kdm, not in a TTY, not over > >> ssh, *not at all*. No login --> never even tries to start X (not > >

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-22 Thread Matthew Woehlke
On 2015-06-20 06:38, Tim wrote: > Allegedly, on or about 19 June 2015, Matthew Woehlke sent: >> Remember, I *can't log in*. Not via kdm, not in a TTY, not over ssh, >> *not at all*. No login --> never even tries to start X (not as my >> user, anyway). >> >> >> (Hrm... on that note, it's interesting

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-22 Thread Matthew Woehlke
On 2015-06-19 20:27, Suvayu Ali wrote: > On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 05:47:49PM -0400, Matthew Woehlke wrote: >> On 2015-06-19 17:27, Suvayu Ali wrote: >>> In emergency mode, could you look at what logind was up to in the >>> previous boot? Something like the following should work: >>> >>> # journal

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-20 Thread Jonathan Dieter
On Fri, 2015-06-19 at 17:04 -0400, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > On 2015-06-19 16:29, Joe Zeff wrote: > > On 06/19/2015 01:13 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > > > I'm increasingly unconvinced that it has anything whatsoever to > > > do with > > > X. More like it can't start a login session. I'd guess that

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-20 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 19 June 2015, Matthew Woehlke sent: > Remember, I *can't log in*. Not via kdm, not in a TTY, not over ssh, > *not at all*. No login --> never even tries to start X (not as my > user, anyway). > > > (Hrm... on that note, it's interesting to note that the one and only > GUI pr

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-19 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 05:47:49PM -0400, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > On 2015-06-19 17:27, Suvayu Ali wrote: > > In emergency mode, could you look at what logind was up to in the > > previous boot? Something like the following should work: > > > > # journalctl -b -1 -u systemd-logind > > > > You

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-19 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/19/2015 02:47 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: (@Joe, boot.log seems to just be the systemd startup output... nothing obvious there...) Oh well, it was worth looking. BTW, I don't know if this will work from the emergency shell, but have you tried logging in from there as yourself? Just typ

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-19 Thread Matthew Woehlke
On 2015-06-19 17:27, Suvayu Ali wrote: > In emergency mode, could you look at what logind was up to in the > previous boot? Something like the following should work: > > # journalctl -b -1 -u systemd-logind > > You could compare with the current boot by switching the -1 to 0. Maybe > this wil

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-19 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 05:04:40PM -0400, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > > The only way I can interact with the system *in any way* is in emergency > mode. In emergency mode, could you look at what logind was up to in the previous boot? Something like the following should work: # journalctl -b -1 -

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-19 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/19/2015 02:04 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: Yes.*No* user can log in. Not the user I created at install, not a newly created user, ***not root***. The only way I can interact with the system*in any way* is in emergency mode. Thank you. I'm sure that you mentioned this at the beginning, b

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-19 Thread Matthew Woehlke
On 2015-06-19 16:29, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 06/19/2015 01:13 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: >> I'm increasingly unconvinced that it has anything whatsoever to do with >> X. More like it can't start a login session. I'd guess that recovery >> mode does something that's just a bit different, as that is the

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-19 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/19/2015 01:13 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: I'm increasingly unconvinced that it has anything whatsoever to do with X. More like it can't start a login session. I'd guess that recovery mode does something that's just a bit different, as that is the*only* way I can get to a usable environment o

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-19 Thread Matthew Woehlke
On 2015-06-19 15:10, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 06/19/2015 11:26 AM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: >> On 2015-06-18 17:47, Joe Zeff wrote: >>> >There should also be a ~/.xsession-errors.old and with luck, it >>> >might have something in it. >> There isn't. (I'd be inclined to suspect that things have only gotte

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-19 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/19/2015 11:26 AM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: On 2015-06-18 17:47, Joe Zeff wrote: >There should also be a ~/.xsession-errors.old and with luck, it >might have something in it. There isn't. (I'd be inclined to suspect that things have only gotten to the point where a .xsession-errors would be

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-19 Thread Matthew Woehlke
On 2015-06-18 17:46, Rick Stevens wrote: > Maybe we can catch log entries before it completely dies. Bring the > system up in single user mode, then edit /etc/systemd/journald.conf. > Find the line: > > #ForwardToSyslog=no > > Change it to: > > ForwardToSyslog=yes > > and save the file.

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-19 Thread Matthew Woehlke
On 2015-06-18 17:47, Joe Zeff wrote: > There should also be a ~/.xsession-errors.old and with luck, it > might have something in it. There isn't. (I'd be inclined to suspect that things have only gotten to the point where a .xsession-errors would be created the one time.) -- Matthew -- users m

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-18 Thread Rick Stevens
On 06/18/2015 02:27 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: On 2015-06-18 17:16, Rick Stevens wrote: On 06/18/2015 01:52 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: On 2015-06-18 14:04, Paul Cartwright wrote: On 06/18/2015 12:54 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: (¹ *Once and only once* I was able to log in, but the system froze

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-18 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/18/2015 02:27 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: Nothing in any of the Xorg.*.log*'s jumps out at me. ~user/.xsession-errors is empty. That would probably tell us quite a bit if we knew just when in the session the file gets created. Alas, I don't, but maybe somebody else will. There should a

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-18 Thread Rick Stevens
On 06/18/2015 02:27 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: On 2015-06-18 17:16, Rick Stevens wrote: On 06/18/2015 01:52 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: On 2015-06-18 14:04, Paul Cartwright wrote: On 06/18/2015 12:54 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: (¹ *Once and only once* I was able to log in, but the system froze

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-18 Thread Matthew Woehlke
On 2015-06-18 17:16, Rick Stevens wrote: > On 06/18/2015 01:52 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: >> On 2015-06-18 14:04, Paul Cartwright wrote: >>> On 06/18/2015 12:54 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: (¹ *Once and only once* I was able to log in, but the system froze as soon as I tried to run an appli

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-18 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/18/2015 01:52 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: Hmm... is it expected that there are no entries*at all* for the last few boots? The only entries I have are for June 5. (And yes, my system date is correct: June 18.) Anyway, I have no idea what I'd be looking for. If memory serves, most of the fi

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-18 Thread Rick Stevens
On 06/18/2015 01:52 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: On 2015-06-18 14:04, Paul Cartwright wrote: On 06/18/2015 12:54 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: (¹ *Once and only once* I was able to log in, but the system froze as soon as I tried to run an application. Also, I can log in in single-user mode, but this

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-18 Thread Matthew Woehlke
On 2015-06-18 12:54, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > I just installed F22 (KDE spin) from scratch on a new Dell M6800. The > Live CD seemed to run okay, but when I try to boot the installed OS, it > (almost¹) invariably freezes when I try to log in. The machine is > effectively unusable as a result. HEY!

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-18 Thread Matthew Woehlke
On 2015-06-18 14:04, Paul Cartwright wrote: > On 06/18/2015 12:54 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: >> (¹ *Once and only once* I was able to log in, but the system froze as >> soon as I tried to run an application. Also, I can log in in single-user >> mode, but this isn't good for much but running dnf and

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-18 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 18.06.2015, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > I don't know offhand how to set up serial login Set up the console and output in grub.cfg: serial --speed=115200 --unit=0 --word=8 --parity=no --stop=1 terminal_input serial terminal_output serial Then tell the kernel to use it (grub.cfg, as a kernel par

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-18 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 06/18/2015 12:54 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > (¹ *Once and only once* I was able to log in, but the system froze as > soon as I tried to run an application. Also, I can log in in single-user > mode, but this isn't good for much but running dnf and fiddling with > enabled services. I *have* appli

F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-18 Thread Matthew Woehlke
(First try apparently got eaten; apologies if this is a duplicate.) I just installed F22 (KDE spin) from scratch on a new Dell M6800. The Live CD seemed to run okay, but when I try to boot the installed OS, it (almost¹) invariably freezes when I try to log in. The machine is effectively unusable a