Re: F20 + Old but unused hardware continually core dumps

2014-09-01 Thread Fred Smith
On Mon, Sep 01, 2014 at 12:39:48PM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 09/01/2014 03:28 AM, Tim wrote: > >I was thinking in the other direction: That when mains power is > >available, the main supply powers the CMOS instead of the battery, to > >prolong its life. > > Not only does the regular power suppl

Re: F20 + Old but unused hardware continually core dumps

2014-09-01 Thread Joe Zeff
On 09/01/2014 03:28 AM, Tim wrote: I was thinking in the other direction: That when mains power is available, the main supply powers the CMOS instead of the battery, to prolong its life. Not only does the regular power supply run the CMOS, it recharges the battery, which is why they last so l

Re: F20 + Old but unused hardware continually core dumps

2014-09-01 Thread Tim
Tim: >> I've come across computers that foul up when powered up with a dead >> CMOS battery. I get the impression that some BIOSs have parts of >> themselves powered only by the battery, and don't get anything from >> the main power supply. Joe Zeff: > Well, of course. What do you think powers t

Re: F20 + Old but unused hardware continually core dumps

2014-09-01 Thread Joe Zeff
On 08/31/2014 11:13 PM, Tim wrote: I've come across computers that foul up when powered up with a dead CMOS battery. I get the impression that some BIOSs have parts of themselves powered only by the battery, and don't get anything from the main power supply. Well, of course. What do you think

Re: F20 + Old but unused hardware continually core dumps

2014-08-31 Thread Tim
On Sun, 2014-08-31 at 22:48 -0700, Tod Merley wrote: > My test for a bad CMOS battery is simply to load the default CMOS > values - make sure the machine is NOT turned off - and see if the > problem goes away - but returns after the machine is turned off (for > a time). I've come across computers

Re: F20 + Old but unused hardware continually core dumps

2014-08-31 Thread Tod Merley
My test for a bad CMOS battery is simply to load the default CMOS values - make sure the machine is NOT turned off - and see if the problem goes away - but returns after the machine is turned off (for a time). HP suggests several things to look at (Joe's suggestion included): http://h10025.www1.h

Re: F20 + Old but unused hardware continually core dumps

2014-08-31 Thread Joe Zeff
On 08/31/2014 09:56 PM, Tod Merley wrote: cmos battery That's an easy one to check for, especially on a laptop that's not on 24/7: go into your CMOS settings after it's been turned off for several hours (overnight should be ample) and see if the clock's running slow. Computers have been bui

Re: F20 + Old but unused hardware continually core dumps

2014-08-31 Thread Tod Merley
first silly thoughts: disk going cmos battery oh the joys! On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 7:49 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote: > Tod, > > > Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 15:36:41 -0700 >> From: Tod Merley >> To: Community support for Fedora users >> Subject: Re: F20 + Old b

Re: F20 + Old but unused hardware continually core dumps

2014-08-31 Thread Philip Rhoades
Tod, Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 15:36:41 -0700 From: Tod Merley To: Community support for Fedora users Subject: Re: F20 + Old but unused hardware continually core dumps Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" distrowatch.com search "old computers" I l

Re: F20 + Old but unused hardware continually core dumps

2014-08-31 Thread Philip Rhoades
Chris, Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 14:00:08 -0600 From: Chris Murphy To: Community support for Fedora users Subject: Re: F20 + Old but unused hardware continually core dumps Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Aug 30, 2014, at 10:12 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote: It sort

Re: F20 + Old but unused hardware continually core dumps

2014-08-31 Thread Tod Merley
distrowatch.com search "old computers" I like Puppy linux as a place to start. Probably Wary. On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Aug 30, 2014, at 10:12 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote: > > > It sort of looks like a RAM problem to me but ALL the SIMMS can't be > faulty . . >

Re: F20 + Old but unused hardware continually core dumps

2014-08-31 Thread Chris Murphy
On Aug 30, 2014, at 10:12 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote: > It sort of looks like a RAM problem to me but ALL the SIMMS can't be faulty . > . They could be. memtest86+ to find out. Another possibility is they're the wrong SIMMs for the hardware, i.e. wrong timing or voltage. There might be BIOS se

Re: F20 + Old but unused hardware continually core dumps

2014-08-31 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier
| From: Philip Rhoades | Any ideas what the problem(s) might be? It sort of looks like a RAM problem | to me but ALL the SIMMS can't be faulty . . When I have a flaky system, I fire up memtest86+ and let it rip for 12 to 24 hours. I sometimes finds an error. If the memory passes, I no longer

Re: F20 + Old but unused hardware continually core dumps

2014-08-31 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier
| From: Ralf Corsepius | I am not sure, but IIRC, Socket 478-era processor all were 32bit and did not | support pae. Socket 478 was for Pentium 4 "Northwood" processors and some later ones. PAE was introduced with the Pentium Pro. As far as I know, all P4 processors had PAE. -- users mailing

Re: F20 + Old but unused hardware continually core dumps

2014-08-31 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/31/2014 04:19 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote: Which CPU are you using? Unless it's a hardware defect somewhere, I'm inclined to believe you could be trying to run an incompatible kernel. Hmmm . . that MB is for Socket478 processors It would be really helpful if you'd tell us which processor

Re: F20 + Old but unused hardware continually core dumps

2014-08-31 Thread Philip Rhoades
People, See inline responses to three replies: Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2014 17:22:23 +0930 From: Tim On Sun, 2014-08-31 at 14:12 +1000, Philip Rhoades wrote: It sort of looks like a RAM problem to me but ALL the SIMMS can't be faulty Well, they can... When it comes to recycling, all bets are o

Re: F20 + Old but unused hardware continually core dumps

2014-08-31 Thread Tod Merley
Yes, I think a HW list along with the SW being tried would likely prove helpful here. On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 1:48 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 08/31/2014 06:12 AM, Philip Rhoades wrote: > >> People, >> >> I have been trying to build a usable PC out of old - but previously >> unused hardware

Re: F20 + Old but unused hardware continually core dumps

2014-08-31 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/31/2014 06:12 AM, Philip Rhoades wrote: People, I have been trying to build a usable PC out of old - but previously unused hardware (motherboards, CPUs, RAM, 80GB Seagate disks, power supplies) - but whatever combination I use I continually get core dumps - I have reinstalled on numerous o

Re: F20 + Old but unused hardware continually core dumps

2014-08-31 Thread Tim
On Sun, 2014-08-31 at 14:12 +1000, Philip Rhoades wrote: > It sort of looks like a RAM problem to me but ALL the SIMMS can't be > faulty Well, they can... When it comes to recycling, all bets are off, particularly if nobody took anti-static precautions while handling the parts. But, for the sake

F20 + Old but unused hardware continually core dumps

2014-08-30 Thread Philip Rhoades
People, I have been trying to build a usable PC out of old - but previously unused hardware (motherboards, CPUs, RAM, 80GB Seagate disks, power supplies) - but whatever combination I use I continually get core dumps - I have reinstalled on numerous occasions and sometimes the PC works for hou