Robin Laing wrote:
> I would really appreciate it if nVidia, ATI or Intel would create RPM's
> for their own cards so we could deal with them directly. Of course if
> you have a bug, then you have to remove the driver to get any support.
That's not how driver distribution works in the GNU/Linux w
Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> This isn't a good idea as the hardware the image is running on may change.
> Think particularly of live images. 3d packages are supposed to check for
> support for the 3d features they need and display a nice message if they
> can't run on the current hardware. (Usually thi
On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 04:14:25PM -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> > No 3D hardware support, your software won't work. It doesn't matter
> > what you do or how often you install the software or attempt to edit
> > config files, will it work. It requires 3D support. It should or could
> > be a
On Thu, Feb 04, 2010 at 10:21:49 +1100,
Roger wrote:
>
> What stops Nouveau from being tested against Blender, various rendering
> engines and Varicad, bog standard widely accepted 3D apps, then
> released as fully functional before this discussion eventuated.
This was already explained to
As I am the one who said to blacklist 3D apps, I will explain.
> No 3D hardware support, your software won't work. It doesn't matter
> what you do or how often you install the software or attempt to edit
> config files, will it work. It requires 3D support. It should or could
> be a requirement
On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 14:14:29 -0700,
Robin Laing wrote:
>
> No 3D hardware support, your software won't work. It doesn't matter
> what you do or how often you install the software or attempt to edit
> config files, will it work. It requires 3D support. It should or could
> be a require
On 02/01/2010 04:08 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 09:55:32 +1100,
>Roger wrote:
>>
>> Then maybe there should be a blacklist all 3d applications until you
>> install 3d.
>> and:
>>
>> Fedora is never going to get rid of the best Free as in Speech driver
>>available
Personally, I consider ATI to be nothing more than scrap metal waiting
> for a rubbish bin, and you couldn't pay me enough money to ditch nVidia
> for ATI.
>
Agreed
For my needs Nvidia works fairly well, the others do not.
Roger
PS
Usability of 3D drivers is what we need and when Nouveau fill
On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 09:58:53 +1100,
Roger wrote:
>
> The original topic was to move nouveau out of the way so users can do
> what they need to do without jumping through hoops as I and many others
> had to do.
That's not going to happen. The people that want to make drivers not included
Because the only other free driver is nv. And the consensus (at least
for Fedora) is that Nouveau has passed up nv and should be the default
driver.
Ahem! Fedora is the creator of superb cutting edge software and I am a
zealot.
The Fedora user base has the problems, quite a different thing.
happy with the way RPM
Fusion's nvidia driver works. There've been a few problems I've had,
but none to speak of since switching to akmod-nvidia.
Blacklisting nouveau is relatively easy to do wrt adding a line to
grub. In our environment, I have a script that puppet uses to take
car
Bruno Wolff III wrote on 02.02.2010 00:08:
> [...]
> Though maybe smarter packaging by the rpm fusion people could
> make using the proprietary nVidia drivers more newbie friendly.
> [...]
Definitely, as there is a whole lot of room for improvements (at least
as far as I can see from my point as l
Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Roger wrote:
>
>> Please explain how Nouveau is the best. Read my comments below before
>> responding!
>>
>
> It's the best available in Free Software. The nvidia driver is NOT Free
> Software. Fedora supports Free Software and ONLY Free Software. So we ship
> Nouvea
Roger wrote:
> Please explain how Nouveau is the best. Read my comments below before
> responding!
It's the best available in Free Software. The nvidia driver is NOT Free
Software. Fedora supports Free Software and ONLY Free Software. So we ship
Nouveau.
> May I suggest you visit the Blender.or
On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 09:55:32 +1100,
Roger wrote:
>
> Then maybe there should be a blacklist all 3d applications until you
> install 3d.
> and:
>
> Fedora is never going to get rid of the best Free as in Speech driver
> available for that hardware.
>
>
> Woh! The above comments puzzle
Then maybe there should be a blacklist all 3d applications until you
install 3d.
and:
Fedora is never going to get rid of the best Free as in Speech driver
available for that hardware.
Woh! The above comments puzzle me.
Please explain how Nouveau is the best. Read my comments below before
On 01/31/2010 02:20 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Roger wrote:
>> Please Fedora get rid of nouveau until it's the same quality as Fedora.
>
> Fedora is never going to get rid of the best Free as in Speech driver
> available for that hardware. We do not support proprietary drivers, or any
> other propri
Chris Smart wrote:
> Did you install the nvidia module from rpmfusion repositories? If so,
> it automatically black lists nouveau for you. However, your initramfs
> still has nouveau in it. You need to re-build it and reboot:
>
> su -c "dracut -f /boot/initramfs-$(uname -r).img $(uname -r)"
BTW,
Roger wrote:
> Please Fedora get rid of nouveau until it's the same quality as Fedora.
Fedora is never going to get rid of the best Free as in Speech driver
available for that hardware. We do not support proprietary drivers, or any
other proprietary software really, if you want to install that s
On Friday 29 January 2010 01:57:01 Paul W. Frields wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 01:09:21PM -0500, Tom Horsley wrote:
> > So why was kernel mode setting such a huge improvement? :-).
>
> Well, speaking only for two different pieces of NVidia and two ATI
> cards in my household, it makes for a b
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 01:09:21PM -0500, Tom Horsley wrote:
> So why was kernel mode setting such a huge improvement? :-).
Well, speaking only for two different pieces of NVidia and two ATI
cards in my household, it makes for a beautiful graphical boot
process. YMMV, but all my machines start up
So why was kernel mode setting such a huge improvement? :-).
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On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 11:00 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 08:08:29AM -0500, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> > On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 17:23 +1100, Chris Smart wrote:
> > > 2010/1/28 Neal Becker :
> > >
> > > >
> > > > You don't need to re-run dracut. All you need to do is add
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 08:08:29AM -0500, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 17:23 +1100, Chris Smart wrote:
> > 2010/1/28 Neal Becker :
> >
> > >
> > > You don't need to re-run dracut. All you need to do is add this the the
> > > kernel command line:
> > > rdblacklist=nouveau
> >
On Thu, 2010-01-28 at 17:23 +1100, Chris Smart wrote:
> 2010/1/28 Neal Becker :
>
> >
> > You don't need to re-run dracut. All you need to do is add this the the
> > kernel command line:
> > rdblacklist=nouveau
> >
>
> This is completely unnecessary. The module has been black listed and
> all
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 05:37:01PM -0500, Jim wrote:
> FC12-x86_64/KDE
>
> How do you Blacklist nouveau ?
>
> I have installed kmod-nvidia because nouveau is causing the mouse to
> disappear
> after bringing computer out of a power down after about a half an hour.
> It is nouveau that is causing
Chris Smart wrote:
> 2010/1/28 Neal Becker :
>
>>
>> You don't need to re-run dracut. All you need to do is add this the the
>> kernel command line:
>> rdblacklist=nouveau
>>
>
> This is completely unnecessary. The module has been black listed and
> all future kernel updates will exclude the mo
2010/1/28 Roger :
> So many people having trouble
>
> With respect, it's sheer stupidity that this issue remains unresolved
> some 12 months later.
Rubbish. What issue remains unresolved? He's replacing Nouveau with
the proprietary NVIDIA driver, what should Fedora do? It is great to
see the nouve
So many people having trouble
With respect, it's sheer stupidity that this issue remains unresolved
some 12 months later.
Please Fedora get rid of nouveau until it's the same quality as Fedora.
Roger
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2010/1/28 Neal Becker :
>
> You don't need to re-run dracut. All you need to do is add this the the
> kernel command line:
> rdblacklist=nouveau
>
This is completely unnecessary. The module has been black listed and
all future kernel updates will exclude the module. The problem is that
the curr
Jim wrote:
> FC12-x86_64/KDE
>
> How do you Blacklist nouveau ?
>
> I have installed kmod-nvidia because nouveau is causing the mouse to
> disappear
> after bringing computer out of a power down after about a half an hour.
> It is nouveau that is causing mouse to disappear, i have installed
> nv
2010/1/28 Jim :
> FC12-x86_64/KDE
>
> How do you Blacklist nouveau ?
Did you install the nvidia module from rpmfusion repositories? If so,
it automatically black lists nouveau for you. However, your initramfs
still has nouveau in it. You need to re-build it and reboot:
su -c "dracut -f /boot/init
Jim wrote:
> I have in /etc/modprobe.d a "blacklist nouveau" but it's not preventing
> the nouveau module from loading.
> What else can I do to preventing it from loading?
In order for your settings in modprobe to take effect, you have to
rebuild the kernel initramfs. The easiest method is to rei
FC12-x86_64/KDE
How do you Blacklist nouveau ?
I have installed kmod-nvidia because nouveau is causing the mouse to
disappear
after bringing computer out of a power down after about a half an hour.
It is nouveau that is causing mouse to disappear, i have installed
nvidia before and it corrected
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