Re: [OT] Tim, Gil, et. al. (e-mail address settings)

2016-07-01 Thread Chris Murphy
On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 11:39 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > > > On 07/01/16 13:16, Tim wrote: >> Well, you're participating on a list for Fedora, and many services are >> managed by those people. If it's the Fedora list that's misidentifying >> spam on the way through, its software needs looking at. B

Re: [OT] Tim, Gil, et. al. (e-mail address settings)

2016-07-01 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Bruno Wolff III said: > On Fri, Jul 01, 2016 at 08:16:10 -0500, > Chris Adams wrote: > >The correct solution is for the mailing list software to be changed to > >rewrite From: addresses. Newer versions of Mailman support this. The > >address rewriting is annoying, but is the

Re: [OT] Tim, Gil, et. al. (e-mail address settings)

2016-07-01 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Fri, Jul 01, 2016 at 08:16:10 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: The correct solution is for the mailing list software to be changed to rewrite From: addresses. Newer versions of Mailman support this. The address rewriting is annoying, but is the only true solution to being in between sites that p

Re: [OT] Tim, Gil, et. al. (e-mail address settings)

2016-07-01 Thread vendor
On Fri, 1 Jul 2016, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Ed Greshko said: No, it isn't specifically a Gmail issue, it is an issue from the combination of DMARC strict policies, sites that enforce DMARC policies, and mailing lists. Yahoo publishes DMARC policies that say messages from a Yahoo

Re: [OT] Tim, Gil, et. al. (e-mail address settings)

2016-07-01 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Greg Woods said: > On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 7:16 AM, Chris Adams wrote: > > No, it isn't specifically a Gmail issue, it is an issue from the > > combination of DMARC strict policies, sites that enforce DMARC policies, > > and mailing lists. > > DMARC, that was it. Thank you for t

Re: [OT] Tim, Gil, et. al. (e-mail address settings)

2016-07-01 Thread Greg Woods
On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 7:16 AM, Chris Adams wrote: > No, it isn't specifically a Gmail issue, it is an issue from the > combination of DMARC strict policies, sites that enforce DMARC policies, > and mailing lists. > DMARC, that was it. Thank you for the more detailed (and more correct) explanati

Re: [OT] Tim, Gil, et. al. (e-mail address settings)

2016-07-01 Thread Greg Woods
On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 11:16 PM, Tim wrote: > But I seem to > recall the conversation pointing the finger at gmail not properly > understanding mailing lists > Google and Yahoo is a well-known issue. There is some anti-spam method (which I can't remember the name of now) that Yahoo's servers cl

Re: [OT] Tim, Gil, et. al. (e-mail address settings)

2016-07-01 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Ed Greshko said: > On 07/01/16 13:16, Tim wrote: > > Well, you're participating on a list for Fedora, and many services are > > managed by those people. If it's the Fedora list that's misidentifying > > spam on the way through, its software needs looking at. But I seem to > > r

Re: [OT] Tim, Gil, et. al. (e-mail address settings)

2016-07-01 Thread Joel Rees
Since gmail isn't letting me reply directly to Ed, On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 2:39 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > > > On 07/01/16 13:16, Tim wrote: >> Well, you're participating on a list for Fedora, and many services are >> managed by those people. If it's the Fedora list that's misidentifying >> spam on

Re: [OT] Tim, Gil, et. al. (e-mail address settings)

2016-06-30 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/01/16 13:39, Ed Greshko wrote: > > On 07/01/16 13:16, Tim wrote: >> Well, you're participating on a list for Fedora, and many services are >> managed by those people. If it's the Fedora list that's misidentifying >> spam on the way through, its software needs looking at. But I seem to >>

Re: [OT] Tim, Gil, et. al. (e-mail address settings)

2016-06-30 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/01/16 13:16, Tim wrote: > Well, you're participating on a list for Fedora, and many services are > managed by those people. If it's the Fedora list that's misidentifying > spam on the way through, its software needs looking at. But I seem to > recall the conversation pointing the finger a

Re: [OT] Tim, Gil, et. al. (e-mail address settings)

2016-06-30 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 01 July 2016, Joel Rees sent: > (The blame lies elsewhere. Yes. While I can't answer to the causes for other people's mail turning up misidentified as spam, I can say that when I mail this list using a Yahoo address, it's sent through the Yahoo SMTP servers, and I have logg

[OT] Tim, Gil, et. al. (e-mail address settings)

2016-06-30 Thread Joel Rees
To keep this off-list as much as possible, the rant is here: http://reiisi.blogspot.com/2016/07/to-gil-tim-fedora-et-al.html (The blame lies elsewhere. I wish I had the network and social cred to get a real movement started, away from the current faceless CA system and towards a different identit