Re: NetworkManager-wait-online is still utterly, and completely, broken

2017-12-20 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 12/20/2017 03:44 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: No managed switches here. Just some dumb switch with a bunch of stuff plugged into it. Surprising, but the outcome is the same.  You have a switch and a NIC which, in concert, take a long time to negotiate a link, and that's a problem for Netwo

Re: F26 hangs or dies

2017-12-20 Thread stan
On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 22:28:43 +0100 Dirk Gottschalk wrote: > Hi. > > According to the Message below I have to say I have the same issue. My > system (a compaq notebook) freezes totally while I am using Firefox, > Epiphany or SMPlayer. Checking anything else is not possible, because > when I am sp

Re: F26 hangs or dies

2017-12-20 Thread Dirk Gottschalk
Hi. According to the Message below I have to say I have the same issue. My system (a compaq notebook) freezes totally while I am using Firefox, Epiphany or SMPlayer. Checking anything else is not possible, because when I am speaking of a total freeze, I mean a total freeze. ^^ The graphics is an

Re: F26 hangs or dies

2017-12-20 Thread Tom Horsley
If it is graphics related, might be nouveau driver (if you are using an nvidia card). I had to switch to the binary nvidia driver from rpmfusion.org to prevent my display from randomly freezing up (though it was just the disply, I could still ssh into the system). I have seen some other mysterious

Re: F26 hangs or dies

2017-12-20 Thread stan
On Wed, 20 Dec 2017 17:28:18 +1030 Stephen Davies wrote: > It seems to have something to do with graphic apps such as > Thunderbird and Firefox. > After restarting yet again yesterday afternoon, I left the box alone. > Did not even log into KDE on the console but did all my work from > either an

Re: Evolution's "To Do" pane

2017-12-20 Thread Doug H.
On Wed, 2017-12-20 at 06:56 -0800, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: > I have just upgraded my system to Fedora-27, which has caused > Evolution to upgrade to 3.26.3 (3.26.3-1.fc27). Evolution now has a > "To Do" pane, which I don't want, since I use another program for > calendar and scheduling. > > How ca

Evolution's "To Do" pane

2017-12-20 Thread Jonathan Ryshpan
I have just upgraded my system to Fedora-27, which has caused Evolution to upgrade to 3.26.3 (3.26.3-1.fc27). Evolution now has a "To Do" pane, which I don't want, since I use another program for calendar and scheduling. How can I remove the "To Do" pane? Thanks - jon ___

Re: NetworkManager-wait-online is still utterly, and completely, broken

2017-12-20 Thread Dr J Austin
On Tue, 2017-12-19 at 17:37 -0500, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Justin Moore writes: > > > I interpret "-s" to mean "all interfaces are active but do not necessarily > > have an address or a default route". This means that NM will return success > > What does it mean for an interface that has a sta

Re: NetworkManager-wait-online is still utterly, and completely, broken

2017-12-20 Thread James Hogarth
On 20 Dec 2017 04:54, "Gordon Messmer" wrote: On 12/19/2017 04:46 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > > That's the big picture. And looks like it's completely impossible to do > that, in stock Fedora. > Right now, yes. And that's completely and entirely down to NetworkManager bringing interfaces up

Re: NetworkManager-wait-online is still utterly, and completely, broken

2017-12-20 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Gordon Messmer writes: On 12/19/2017 04:46 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: That's the big picture. And looks like it's completely impossible to do that, in stock Fedora. Right now, yes.  And that's completely and entirely down to NetworkManager bringing interfaces up in an event-driven fashi