Re: Altair 8800

2015-06-18 Thread Rick Stevens
On 06/18/2015 06:01 PM, Fulko Hew wrote: On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 7:45 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: Bus termination wasn't mandatory, but it sure as hell helped. Some company (can't remember who) developed an active terminator board that was much better than just passive resistors, I don't have si

Re: Altair 8800

2015-06-18 Thread Les Howell
On Thu, 2015-06-18 at 21:01 -0400, Fulko Hew wrote: > On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 7:45 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: > > > Bus termination wasn't mandatory, but it sure as hell helped. Some > > company (can't remember who) developed an active terminator board that > > was much better than just passive resi

Altair 8800

2015-06-18 Thread Fulko Hew
On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 7:45 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: > Bus termination wasn't mandatory, but it sure as hell helped. Some > company (can't remember who) developed an active terminator board that > was much better than just passive resistors, I don't have silk screening on mine, but I'm pretty su

Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/19/15 08:44, Mickey wrote: > > > On 06/18/2015 08:25 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> # fedup --network 21 --product nonproduct >>> setting up repos... >>> No upgrade available for the following repos: infinality infinality-noarch >>> getting boot images... >>> .treeinfo.signed | 2.2 kB

Re: OT: temperature spec for ATI Fire GL 4900?

2015-06-18 Thread Dave Stevens
Quoting Ed Greshko : On 06/19/15 05:34, Dave Stevens wrote: I can see the temperature but the specs don't show a normal range, anyone know where to find the operating temperature design range for this GPU? If the official AMD documents don't specify the temperature range, you can consi

Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Mickey
On 06/18/2015 08:25 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 06/19/15 08:17, Mickey wrote: On 06/18/2015 07:46 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: On 06/18/2015 04:40 PM, Mickey wrote: On 06/18/2015 07:24 PM, Temlakos wrote: On 06/18/2015 07:20 PM, Mickey wrote: On 06/18/2015 05:35 PM, Temlakos wrote: fedup --net

Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/19/15 08:17, Mickey wrote: > > > On 06/18/2015 07:46 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: >> On 06/18/2015 04:40 PM, Mickey wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 06/18/2015 07:24 PM, Temlakos wrote: On 06/18/2015 07:20 PM, Mickey wrote: > > > On 06/18/2015 05:35 PM, Temlakos wrote: >> fedup --network

Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Mickey
On 06/18/2015 07:46 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: On 06/18/2015 04:40 PM, Mickey wrote: On 06/18/2015 07:24 PM, Temlakos wrote: On 06/18/2015 07:20 PM, Mickey wrote: On 06/18/2015 05:35 PM, Temlakos wrote: fedup --network21 --product non-product ERROR Message; # fedup --network21 --product

Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Rick Stevens
On 06/18/2015 04:40 PM, Mickey wrote: On 06/18/2015 07:24 PM, Temlakos wrote: On 06/18/2015 07:20 PM, Mickey wrote: On 06/18/2015 05:35 PM, Temlakos wrote: fedup --network21 --product non-product ERROR Message; # fedup --network21 --product non-product usage: fedup [options] fedup: err

Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Rick Stevens
On 06/18/2015 04:09 PM, Mickey wrote: On 06/18/2015 06:08 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: On 06/18/2015 02:48 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 06/18/2015 02:32 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: Should go fairly well if your F20 is up to date. You may have to wait for a full moon and shave a goat under it, but you shoul

Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Dan Mossor
On 06/18/2015 06:40 PM, Mickey wrote: On 06/18/2015 07:24 PM, Temlakos wrote: On 06/18/2015 07:20 PM, Mickey wrote: On 06/18/2015 05:35 PM, Temlakos wrote: fedup --network21 --product non-product ERROR Message; # fedup --network21 --product non-product usage: fedup [options] fedup: err

Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Mickey
On 06/18/2015 07:24 PM, Temlakos wrote: On 06/18/2015 07:20 PM, Mickey wrote: On 06/18/2015 05:35 PM, Temlakos wrote: fedup --network21 --product non-product ERROR Message; # fedup --network21 --product non-product usage: fedup [options] fedup: error: argument --product: invalid choice:

Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Temlakos
On 06/18/2015 07:20 PM, Mickey wrote: On 06/18/2015 05:35 PM, Temlakos wrote: fedup --network21 --product non-product ERROR Message; # fedup --network21 --product non-product usage: fedup [options] fedup: error: argument --product: invalid choice: 'non-product' (choose from 'server', 'clo

Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Mickey
On 06/18/2015 05:35 PM, Temlakos wrote: fedup --network21 --product non-product ERROR Message; # fedup --network21 --product non-product usage: fedup [options] fedup: error: argument --product: invalid choice: 'non-product' (choose from 'server', 'cloud', 'workstation', 'nonproduct') --

Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Mickey
On 06/18/2015 06:08 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: On 06/18/2015 02:48 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 06/18/2015 02:32 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: Should go fairly well if your F20 is up to date. You may have to wait for a full moon and shave a goat under it, but you should be OK. :-) And, just as with gettin

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-18 Thread Rick Stevens
On 06/18/2015 02:27 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: On 2015-06-18 17:16, Rick Stevens wrote: On 06/18/2015 01:52 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: On 2015-06-18 14:04, Paul Cartwright wrote: On 06/18/2015 12:54 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: (¹ *Once and only once* I was able to log in, but the system froze

Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/18/2015 03:08 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: I was on the ANSI SCSI committee back in the day (like 30 years ago) so I had "special powers" and could get by with dark blue candles and only having to pluck a live chicken on alternate Tuesdays to get my drives to work. I still have a bunch of the ol

Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/18/2015 03:07 PM, Mickey wrote: You do have a point. Yes, I know I do. That's why I usually wear a hat so that nobody notices. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora

Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Rick Stevens
On 06/18/2015 02:48 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 06/18/2015 02:32 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: Should go fairly well if your F20 is up to date. You may have to wait for a full moon and shave a goat under it, but you should be OK. :-) And, just as with getting SCSI to work, always use black candles! I w

Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Mickey
On 06/18/2015 06:02 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 06/18/2015 02:57 PM, Mickey wrote: BACKUP!!! , I'm getting the feeling that Fedup isn't trustworthy. Backing up before doing a system upgrade is simply common sense. And, what you really need to back up is /home. Yes, having on a separate partiti

Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/18/2015 02:57 PM, Mickey wrote: BACKUP!!! , I'm getting the feeling that Fedup isn't trustworthy. Backing up before doing a system upgrade is simply common sense. And, what you really need to back up is /home. Yes, having on a separate partition is a good idea, and you can reinstall i

Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Mickey
On 06/18/2015 05:35 PM, Temlakos wrote: On 06/18/2015 05:31 PM, Mickey wrote: On 06/18/2015 05:15 PM, Temlakos wrote: On 06/18/2015 04:52 PM, Mickey wrote: Fedora upgrade 20 - 21 Will Fedup do upgrade for KDE ? Sure, it will. But: for the F20 -> F21 upgrade only, you must pass --produc

Re: OT: temperature spec for ATI Fire GL 4900?

2015-06-18 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/19/15 05:34, Dave Stevens wrote: > > I can see the temperature but the specs don't show a normal range, anyone > know where to find the operating temperature design range for this GPU? If the official AMD documents don't specify the temperature range, you can consider typing "ati firegl v4

Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/18/2015 02:32 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: Should go fairly well if your F20 is up to date. You may have to wait for a full moon and shave a goat under it, but you should be OK. :-) And, just as with getting SCSI to work, always use black candles! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraprojec

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-18 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/18/2015 02:27 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: Nothing in any of the Xorg.*.log*'s jumps out at me. ~user/.xsession-errors is empty. That would probably tell us quite a bit if we knew just when in the session the file gets created. Alas, I don't, but maybe somebody else will. There should a

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-18 Thread Rick Stevens
On 06/18/2015 02:27 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: On 2015-06-18 17:16, Rick Stevens wrote: On 06/18/2015 01:52 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: On 2015-06-18 14:04, Paul Cartwright wrote: On 06/18/2015 12:54 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: (¹ *Once and only once* I was able to log in, but the system froze

Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Temlakos
On 06/18/2015 05:31 PM, Mickey wrote: On 06/18/2015 05:15 PM, Temlakos wrote: On 06/18/2015 04:52 PM, Mickey wrote: Fedora upgrade 20 - 21 Will Fedup do upgrade for KDE ? Sure, it will. But: for the F20 -> F21 upgrade only, you must pass --product = non-product. Thereafter (say, for F21->

OT: temperature spec for ATI Fire GL 4900?

2015-06-18 Thread Dave Stevens
I can see the temperature but the specs don't show a normal range, anyone know where to find the operating temperature design range for this GPU? Dave -- "As long as politics is the shadow cast on society by big business, the attenuation of the shadow will not change the substance." -- Jo

Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Rick Stevens
On 06/18/2015 02:22 PM, Mickey wrote: On 06/18/2015 05:09 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 06/18/2015 01:52 PM, Mickey wrote: Fedora upgrade 20 - 21 Will Fedup do upgrade for KDE ? It will upgrade everything you have installed, provided that it's from a properly-configured repository. (As examples,

Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Mickey
On 06/18/2015 05:15 PM, Temlakos wrote: On 06/18/2015 04:52 PM, Mickey wrote: Fedora upgrade 20 - 21 Will Fedup do upgrade for KDE ? Sure, it will. But: for the F20 -> F21 upgrade only, you must pass --product = non-product. Thereafter (say, for F21->F22), just "do it" without having to p

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-18 Thread Matthew Woehlke
On 2015-06-18 17:16, Rick Stevens wrote: > On 06/18/2015 01:52 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: >> On 2015-06-18 14:04, Paul Cartwright wrote: >>> On 06/18/2015 12:54 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: (¹ *Once and only once* I was able to log in, but the system froze as soon as I tried to run an appli

Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Mickey
On 06/18/2015 05:09 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 06/18/2015 01:52 PM, Mickey wrote: Fedora upgrade 20 - 21 Will Fedup do upgrade for KDE ? It will upgrade everything you have installed, provided that it's from a properly-configured repository. (As examples, there are special repos for Adobe an

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-18 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/18/2015 01:52 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: Hmm... is it expected that there are no entries*at all* for the last few boots? The only entries I have are for June 5. (And yes, my system date is correct: June 18.) Anyway, I have no idea what I'd be looking for. If memory serves, most of the fi

Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Temlakos
On 06/18/2015 04:52 PM, Mickey wrote: Fedora upgrade 20 - 21 Will Fedup do upgrade for KDE ? Sure, it will. But: for the F20 -> F21 upgrade only, you must pass --product = non-product. Thereafter (say, for F21->F22), just "do it" without having to pass that flag. Temlakos -- users mailing

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-18 Thread Rick Stevens
On 06/18/2015 01:52 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: On 2015-06-18 14:04, Paul Cartwright wrote: On 06/18/2015 12:54 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: (¹ *Once and only once* I was able to log in, but the system froze as soon as I tried to run an application. Also, I can log in in single-user mode, but this

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-18 Thread Matthew Woehlke
On 2015-06-18 12:54, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > I just installed F22 (KDE spin) from scratch on a new Dell M6800. The > Live CD seemed to run okay, but when I try to boot the installed OS, it > (almost¹) invariably freezes when I try to log in. The machine is > effectively unusable as a result. HEY!

Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/18/2015 01:52 PM, Mickey wrote: Fedora upgrade 20 - 21 Will Fedup do upgrade for KDE ? It will upgrade everything you have installed, provided that it's from a properly-configured repository. (As examples, there are special repos for Adobe and for Google Earth, and if you have them se

Re: Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Dan Mossor
On 06/18/2015 03:52 PM, Mickey wrote: Fedora upgrade 20 - 21 Will Fedup do upgrade for KDE ? Yes. You will need to use the following command: # fedup --network 21 --product non-product Regards, Dan -- Dan Mossor, RHCSA Systems Engineer Fedora Server WG | Fedora KDE WG | Fedora QA Team Fedora

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-18 Thread Matthew Woehlke
On 2015-06-18 14:04, Paul Cartwright wrote: > On 06/18/2015 12:54 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: >> (¹ *Once and only once* I was able to log in, but the system froze as >> soon as I tried to run an application. Also, I can log in in single-user >> mode, but this isn't good for much but running dnf and

Using Fedup

2015-06-18 Thread Mickey
Fedora upgrade 20 - 21 Will Fedup do upgrade for KDE ? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedo

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-18 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 18.06.2015, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > I don't know offhand how to set up serial login Set up the console and output in grub.cfg: serial --speed=115200 --unit=0 --word=8 --parity=no --stop=1 terminal_input serial terminal_output serial Then tell the kernel to use it (grub.cfg, as a kernel par

Re: F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-18 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 06/18/2015 12:54 PM, Matthew Woehlke wrote: > (¹ *Once and only once* I was able to log in, but the system froze as > soon as I tried to run an application. Also, I can log in in single-user > mode, but this isn't good for much but running dnf and fiddling with > enabled services. I *have* appli

F22 unusable - system freezes on login

2015-06-18 Thread Matthew Woehlke
(First try apparently got eaten; apologies if this is a duplicate.) I just installed F22 (KDE spin) from scratch on a new Dell M6800. The Live CD seemed to run okay, but when I try to boot the installed OS, it (almost¹) invariably freezes when I try to log in. The machine is effectively unusable a

Re: question/problem re: smplayer and mpv

2015-06-18 Thread jd1008
On 06/18/2015 10:38 AM, Rick Stevens wrote: On 06/17/2015 05:14 PM, jd1008 wrote: On 06/17/2015 05:48 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: On 06/17/2015 04:06 PM, jd1008 wrote: On 06/17/2015 02:01 PM, Greg Woods wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:50 PM, jd1008 mailto:jd1...@gmail.com>> wrote: Ch

Re: question/problem re: smplayer and mpv

2015-06-18 Thread Rick Stevens
On 06/17/2015 05:14 PM, jd1008 wrote: On 06/17/2015 05:48 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: On 06/17/2015 04:06 PM, jd1008 wrote: On 06/17/2015 02:01 PM, Greg Woods wrote: On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:50 PM, jd1008 mailto:jd1...@gmail.com>> wrote: Checking for SSA/ASS support : no ('libass

Problem with Python??

2015-06-18 Thread jd1008
selinux issues the following If you believe /usr/bin/bython2.7 tried to disable selinux you may be under attack by a hacker, since confined applications should never need this access. Contact your security administrator and report this issue. Is anyone else seeing this? -- users mailing list u

[OT] ConfSL 2.0 - Annual Italian Conference on Free Software & Hardware - Ivrea (Turin) 26/27 June 2015

2015-06-18 Thread Dario Lesca
Dear Friends, I am pleased to present and invite you, to ConfSL 2.0, the Italian annual Conference of the Software & Hardware Free and Open. The conference to be held in Ivrea (Turin) on 26 and 27 June 2015 . For more details, visit the official website of ConfSL 2.0 http://confsl.org Anyon

Re: um ... why are my wiki pages suddenly rendering "fi" in olde english?

2015-06-18 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2015-06-17 at 18:19 -0400, Fred Smith wrote: > Does have the correct locale/language settings? Look in EDIT/ > PREFERENCES/CONTENT and click "choose". That setting doesn't do what you think it does. It allows you to set a option in your browser which will tell websites which languages yo

Re: um ... why are my wiki pages suddenly rendering "fi" in olde english?

2015-06-18 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2015-06-17 at 12:15 -0400, Fred Smith wrote: > do you, perhaps, have your firefox configured to use fonts other > than those called for by the web page? From the problem description, it's probably more likely to be a browser configuration about content-encoding, than which fonts. -- tim

Re: turn off monitors when logged out

2015-06-18 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2015-06-17 at 12:11 -0500, SternData wrote: > Why oh why is this so hard? > > It used to work, pre-F22. I've not used anything beyond Fedora 20, yet. But the settings for my login have never been applied to anything once I've logged out. And why should they, I'm not logged in. It coul

Re: Problems with journalctl

2015-06-18 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/18/15 16:45, Dave Cross wrote: > It appears that journalctl isn't set up correctly on my system. It > doesn't seem to be registering each boot correctly. > > $ journalctl --list-boots > 0 67279b3d530040d997694f7fc89ec7de Thu 2015-03-19 07:04:29 GMT—Sat > 2015-03-21 1 > > And I've rebooted t

Re: Problems with journalctl

2015-06-18 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/18/15 16:45, Dave Cross wrote: > It appears that journalctl isn't set up correctly on my system. It > doesn't seem to be registering each boot correctly. > > $ journalctl --list-boots > 0 67279b3d530040d997694f7fc89ec7de Thu 2015-03-19 07:04:29 GMT—Sat > 2015-03-21 1 > > And I've rebooted t

Re: um ... why are my wiki pages suddenly rendering "fi" in olde english?

2015-06-18 Thread Rolf Turner
On 18/06/15 19:03, Robert P. J. Day wrote: On Thu, 18 Jun 2015, Ahmad Samir wrote: When was the last time you restarted your system? i don't think i *had* restarted my system since this started, but i just killed and restarted firefox (again) and everything is suddenly fine. so ... carr

Problems with journalctl

2015-06-18 Thread Dave Cross
It appears that journalctl isn't set up correctly on my system. It doesn't seem to be registering each boot correctly. $ journalctl --list-boots 0 67279b3d530040d997694f7fc89ec7de Thu 2015-03-19 07:04:29 GMT—Sat 2015-03-21 1 And I've rebooted the system many, many times since March. Also: $ jo

Re: um ... why are my wiki pages suddenly rendering "fi" in olde english?

2015-06-18 Thread Robert P. J. Day
On Thu, 18 Jun 2015, Ahmad Samir wrote: > On 17 June 2015 at 18:02, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > On Wed, 17 Jun 2015, Dave Stevens wrote: > > > >> On Wed, 17 Jun 2015 11:46:45 -0400 (EDT) > >> "Robert P. J. Day" wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > ok, maybe not old english, but recently, my wiki pages su