Re: Fedora 16 preupgrade problem?

On 3 Dec 2011 at 23:01, Paul Allen Newell wrote: Date sent: Sat, 03 Dec 2011 23:01:11 -0800 From: Paul Allen Newell To: Community support for Fedora users Subject:Re: Fedora 16 preupgrade problem? Send reply to: Communi

Re: K3B burning problem

On 12/03/2011 11:17 PM, david walcroft wrote: > > I have just upgraded from FC12 where it worked reasonably. > > david David: Thanks for the info. Through this list, I learned about k3b and installed it on F14. I haven't had any problems. I am offering this info if there does prove to be a prob

Re: K3B burning problem

On 12/04/2011 05:12 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > On 12/03/2011 10:38 PM, david walcroft wrote: >> On 12/04/2011 02:33 PM, Craig White wrote: >>> >>> >>> Places to check for errors... >>> >>> [...] >>> >>> Craig >>> >>> >> I have looked in 'dmesg' and '/var/log/messages',there are no error >>

Re: K3B burning problem

On 12/03/2011 10:38 PM, david walcroft wrote: > On 12/04/2011 02:33 PM, Craig White wrote: >> >> >> Places to check for errors... >> >> [...] >> >> Craig >> >> > I have looked in 'dmesg' and '/var/log/messages',there are no error > messages. > I tried the remove and reinstall trick but nothing

Re: K3B burning problem

On 12/04/2011 02:33 PM, Craig White wrote: > On Sun, 2011-12-04 at 14:19 +1000, david walcroft wrote: >> I can not burn an ISO,there are no error messages,it recognizes a medium >> and completes it's md5sum and stops.It also cannot format and erase.This >> is on an FC16 i686 install. >> Any ideas.

Re: Fedora 16 preupgrade problem?

On 12/02/2011 03:29 PM, Michael D. Setzer II wrote: > I have a test machine with Fedora 15 x86_64 and ran preupgrade > and all seemed to go fine. But after reboot, it comes up with the > grub menu and option to upgrade to 16, but then selecting it just > results in a blinking cursor in the upper le

Re: Gnome 3.2 - eh what! --- Top Posting?

On Sun, 2011-12-04 at 14:17 +1100, Roger wrote: > The Gnome3.2 discussion is, to me, a classic example of the reasons > for top posting if only to reduce the clutter. How exactly does it reduce the clutter? In my experience top-posters *never* trim the quotes, so they just grow exponentially. Just

Re: Gnome 3.2 - eh what! --- Top Posting?

Of some curiosity is the adjacent discussion about tablets. It seems tablets are mainly portrait and monitors are landscape, maybe > Most serious artists I know use a wacom tablet and with a pressure > sensitive stylus, these tablets could reasonably give you the essential > Cintiq type of operat

Re: K3B burning problem

On Sun, 2011-12-04 at 14:19 +1000, david walcroft wrote: > I can not burn an ISO,there are no error messages,it recognizes a medium > and completes it's md5sum and stops.It also cannot format and erase.This > is on an FC16 i686 install. > Any ideas. Places to check for errors... (as root) d

Re: Gnome 3.2 - eh what! --- Top Posting?

On Sun, 2011-12-04 at 14:17 +1100, Roger wrote: > Of some curiosity is the adjacent discussion about tablets. > It seems tablets are mainly portrait and monitors are landscape, maybe > this is why the devs put the icons down the side, gotta be some reason. > There's room for both. I couldn't do

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

On Sun, 2011-12-04 at 12:35 +1030, Tim wrote: > On Fri, 2011-12-02 at 19:21 -0700, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > > Smartphones are starting to displace even desktop computers and > > do actually handle most of the basic tasks (e-mail, basic Web, etc.) > > that were once solely the domain of

K3B burning problem

I can not burn an ISO,there are no error messages,it recognizes a medium and completes it's md5sum and stops.It also cannot format and erase.This is on an FC16 i686 install. Any ideas. david -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https

Gnome 3.2 - eh what! --- Top Posting?

Hi List New thread-old topic, sick of the old one! Sorribouthat. I've been watching the discussion of Linus's thoughts and Gnome 3.2 and after all can't see what the problem may be. Some like some not, some are devs, engineers and system ops, some not, each to his own. I played with, I think it'

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

> To some Fedora 3 is a new technology , to others it is a $ sed -i 's|Fedora 3|Gnome 3|g' "To some Fedora 3 is a new technology , to others it is a" Right? Fedora 3 was released long time ago, If I remember correctly Nov 2004 :) > road to > madness. But one can hardly completely blame Fedor

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

On Fri, 2011-12-02 at 19:21 -0700, Christopher A. Williams wrote: > Smartphones are starting to displace even desktop computers and > do actually handle most of the basic tasks (e-mail, basic Web, etc.) > that were once solely the domain of PCs. Though, only if you are doing *BASIC* email. Ju

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

> sometimes this whole discussions feels like i am the only one who > is using development-tools, a desktop machine for virtual-machines > used as wlan access point, router, audio-server and so much other > this you can NEVER achieve on a tablet *current* tablet. Half of that you couldn't do on a

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 07:37 -0800, Scott Doty wrote: > On 12/03/2011 05:31 AM, Craig White wrote: > > As for the hell you imply that I might be feeling - sure. It's hell to > > see what undoubtedly passes for adults in other arena's acting like > > impudent children stammering and jumping up and

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 19:04 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > On Saturday 03 December 2011 07:37:21 Scott Doty wrote: > > If you want to have your ideas respected, I suggest you come up with > > respectable ideas. "Stop using Fedora" is not one of them. "Linus' > > opinion doesn't matter" is not on

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 13:48 -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote: > Alan Cox wrote: > [...snip...] > > >> that were once solely the domain of PCs. Tablets are quickly displacing > >> laptops in the business world. The main barrier is that they are more > > > > I don't know where you got that from, but

Hacking Xorg.conf

Ok, for some reason (probably because I'm using an old KVM switch) my Fedora 16 system is not detecting what monitor I have and is refusing to give me a usable resolution. I have a Dell E2210H wide-screen monitor and it's capable of 1920x1080 resolution, but I can't get that in Fedora. Under Wi

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 14:13 -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote: > Gnome 2 is dead save for any > reasonable efforts to fork it (which I doubt will ever occur). > > > > Before you claim that I take that sentence out of context, it was > part > of a paragraph about > flame-bait, and was ou

Re: Gnome 3 screensaver

On 12/03/2011 01:01 PM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: > GNOME 3 no longer includes built-in screensaver support, but you can > still use the legendary xscreensaver software to get a slide show > screensaver. > Oh, good. I never liked the gnome screensaver and always used xscreensaver. One of the th

Re: Boot Problems em1: link becomes ready

On 12/04/2011 12:17 AM, suvayu ali wrote: > Hi Swapnil, > > On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 20:49, Swapnil Bhartiya > wrote: >> I think it was caused by some script from fedora utils. > > This is the second time I have heard on this list fedora-utils screw > up an install. Please consider reporting this t

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

On 12/03/2011 02:31 PM, mike cloaked wrote: > However it would still be better to pursue pushing for positive change > through the bug reporting system since that is where the developers > certainly will be much more likely to read input than here? Agreed, as well as joining the Gnome usability

Re: Boot Problems em1: link becomes ready

Hi Swapnil, On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 20:49, Swapnil Bhartiya wrote: > I think it was caused by some script from fedora utils. This is the second time I have heard on this list fedora-utils screw up an install. Please consider reporting this to the fedora-utils author. This is potentially very dan

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

Am 03.12.2011 23:58, schrieb Alan Cox: >>> Currently - but that's because low end tablet devices can't run modern PC >>> style software. That will change. >> >> Do you really think that an accountant will ever want to fill out a >> spreadsheet on a tablet, even with a keyboard, if a desktop or l

Re: kernel upgrade bug?

On 12/03/2011 12:14 PM, Scott van Looy wrote: > On 3 Dec 2011, at 15:56, Scott Doty wrote: > >> On 12/03/2011 04:30 AM, Scott van Looy wrote: >>> Isn't there supposed to be an initramfs for 3.1.2-1? >> My system has: >> >> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 15945815 Dec 1 21:24 >> initramfs-3.1.2-1.fc16.x86_

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

I've been playing with 3.2 a bit today an F16. The F16 installer is a trainwreck - crashes if an old disk has a partial raid array on it, then crashes when you try and report the crash. Try again and it decides my install options contain a conflict, go back to fix it and it hangs. It eats 750MB of

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

> > Currently - but that's because low end tablet devices can't run modern PC > > style software. That will change. > > Do you really think that an accountant will ever want to fill out a > spreadsheet on a tablet, even with a keyboard, if a desktop or laptop's > available? I know a number of a

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 10:24 PM, mike cloaked wrote: >> >> Change for the sake of being different is not progress, it's marketing. >> Changing >> the way things work to break the old tools so people will ue YOUR tools >> instead >> the 3rd party stuff is how MSFT got big, it is less appealing i

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

On 12/03/2011 02:12 PM, Alan Cox wrote: > Currently - but that's because low end tablet devices can't run modern PC > style software. That will change. Do you really think that an accountant will ever want to fill out a spreadsheet on a tablet, even with a keyboard, if a desktop or laptop's avai

F16 and gnome 3.2

I have done a F16 new install on an HP Pavilion g series. When I did a first boot the system advised me it was going to switch to gnome fallback mode. Is this something I am going to need to live with or is their a way to retry gnome 3.2. Sure would appreciate your help. Greg Ennis -- users

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

On 3 December 2011 13:31, Craig White wrote: > see what undoubtedly passes for adults in other arena's acting like > impudent children stammering and jumping up and down and shouting... I > want that toy. > The real flamebait here was Ed's original post in the thread about your > beloved Linus

Re: Bug 648732 – Intel wireless broken on 11n for many users

On 12/03/2011 01:46 PM, Ian Malone wrote: On 3 December 2011 14:18, Lawrence Graves wrote: On 2 December 2011 21:08, Lawrence Graves wrote: On 12/02/2011 11:18 AM, Ian Malone wrote: On 02/12/11 12:04, Ian Malone wrote: Ian Malone wrote: It's just this series of 4 commands, run as root.

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: >>> Linus is a kernel developer and not a UI developer.  Thus, his opinion >>> does not matter. >>> Since Linus is not a UI developer, he is only an end user.  Thus, the >>> opinions of end users don't matter. >> >> I think his opinion mat

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

> I think the tablet is a valuable tool, but it doesn't exist in the same space > as > a PC. Currently - but that's because low end tablet devices can't run modern PC style software. That will change. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription opti

Re: Problem with readline (command line editing)

On 03Dec2011 19:13, suvayu ali wrote: | On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 07:42, Heinz Diehl wrote: | > On 01.12.2011, suvayu ali wrote: | >> The "problem" is a regression in gtk2. | >> [...] | Please checkout Christoph's post in your other thread. T

Re: Gnome 3 screensaver

On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Mike Chambers wrote: > Anyone tell me what to install to get screensaver setup in gnome3? > Specifically to use slide show and my own picture folder? GNOME 3 no longer includes built-in screensaver support, but you can still use the legendary xscreensaver software

Re: Bug 648732 – Intel wireless broken on 11n for many users

On 3 December 2011 14:18, Lawrence Graves wrote: > > On 2 December 2011 21:08, Lawrence Graves wrote: > > On 12/02/2011 11:18 AM, Ian Malone wrote: > > On 02/12/11 12:04, Ian Malone wrote: > Ian Malone wrote: > It's just this series of 4 commands, run as root. (Don't enter the # > signs, they'r

Re: kernel upgrade bug?

On 3 Dec 2011, at 15:56, Scott Doty wrote: > On 12/03/2011 04:30 AM, Scott van Looy wrote: >> >> Isn't there supposed to be an initramfs for 3.1.2-1? > > My system has: > > -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 15945815 Dec 1 21:24 > initramfs-3.1.2-1.fc16.x86_64.img > > So yes, you should have one. > >

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

Craig White wrote: > On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 10:41 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 12/03/2011 09:38 AM, Craig White wrote: >>> Whatever Linus thinks of Gnome is rather beside the point in that he is >>> a kernel developer, not a Desktop UI expert and I am rather amused by >>> those who felt his dis' o

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

On Saturday 03 December 2011 07:37:21 Scott Doty wrote: > If you want to have your ideas respected, I suggest you come up with > respectable ideas. "Stop using Fedora" is not one of them. "Linus' > opinion doesn't matter" is not one of them. Respect on this list is obtained by providing high-qua

Re: Boot Problems em1: link becomes ready

On 12/03/2011 03:13 PM, Soham Chakraborty wrote: > Can you try to boot with biosdevname=1 parameter and see if it works. If > it does not, I would like to see it reversed i.e biosdevname=0. > > This is not any conclusive answer by any means, just an attempt to see > whether it does any good or bad.

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

Craig White wrote: > On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 07:26 -0800, Scott Doty wrote: > >> On 12/03/2011 05:14 AM, Craig White wrote: >> >>>The last visit we had on this topic pretty much concluded that >>> Fedora's embrace of latest technologies didn't exactly mesh with your >>> expectations and

Re: KVM virtual machine transfer query

Sanjay Arora wrote: > Hello all > > I have a question. Can a kvm virtual machine, a linux or windows guest, > generated of fedora, be transfered to a rhel machine and started? or > vice versa? > > Please note, I am not talking of live migration. Just transferring files > generated on one OS & runni

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

On 12/03/2011 02:20 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > bad developers are throwing all away, starting from scratch, getting > frustrated after a while because they recognize how much work would > it be to write all the existing things again In the case of Gnome 3, I get the impression that they threw out

Gnome 3 screensaver

Anyone tell me what to install to get screensaver setup in gnome3? Specifically to use slide show and my own picture folder? -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "The best town on Earth!" -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://ad

Re: GNOME2 support revisited

On Sat, Dec 03, 2011 at 01:29:49PM -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote: > That's a good idea, I think it represents a minimal effort to ask, and would > be > a start. But I think the GNOME2 stack is desirable, there's a lot of stuff > depending on that mindset. Not sure why you bring up GNOME 2 to me, t

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

On 12/03/2011 05:31 AM, Craig White wrote: > As for the hell you imply that I might be feeling - sure. It's hell to > see what undoubtedly passes for adults in other arena's acting like > impudent children stammering and jumping up and down and shouting... I > want that toy. Finally, someone ta

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

Alan Cox wrote: [...snip...] >> that were once solely the domain of PCs. Tablets are quickly displacing >> laptops in the business world. The main barrier is that they are more > > I don't know where you got that from, but worldwide tablet sales hardly > back that up. > > There is one poin

Re: GNOME2 support revisited

Olav Vitters wrote: > On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 02:49:30PM -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote: >> Now that MINT has both a GNOME2 port and ax extension (plugin, whatever) for >> GNOME3 to make it usable without user retraining, will these features be >> available in Fedora17, or has the move to kill GNOME2 b

Re: Problem with readline (command line editing)

On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 07:42, Heinz Diehl wrote: > On 01.12.2011, suvayu ali wrote: > >> The "problem" is a regression in gtk2. >> >> >> >> Downgrading to gtk2-2.24.7-2.fc16.x86_64 resolves the issue. > > I can confirm the bug on my F16 sys

Re: Problem with readline (command line editing)

On 01.12.2011, suvayu ali wrote: > The "problem" is a regression in gtk2. > > > > Downgrading to gtk2-2.24.7-2.fc16.x86_64 resolves the issue. I can confirm the bug on my F16 systems. Downgrading gtk2 helps. -- users mailing list user

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

> very convincing and well-grounded in facts. The *majority* of Internet > connected devices will definitely be in the smartphone and tablet > category in the next 3 years. That does not mean they will be the *only* That's very questionable. The majority of internet connected devices *with a user

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 07:26 -0800, Scott Doty wrote: > On 12/03/2011 05:14 AM, Craig White wrote: > > The last visit we had on this topic pretty much concluded that > > Fedora's embrace of latest technologies didn't exactly mesh with your > > expectations and I remarked that you should probably

Re: kernel upgrade bug?

On 12/03/2011 04:30 AM, Scott van Looy wrote: > > Isn't there supposed to be an initramfs for 3.1.2-1? My system has: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 15945815 Dec 1 21:24 initramfs-3.1.2-1.fc16.x86_64.img So yes, you should have one. > Is this a bug? Depends. If you used preupgrade to move from f15

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

On 12/03/2011 05:14 AM, Craig White wrote: > The last visit we had on this topic pretty much concluded that > Fedora's embrace of latest technologies didn't exactly mesh with your > expectations and I remarked that you should probably find a > distribution that does. Craig "Love it or leave

Re: Midnight commander: ALT+ENTER does no longer work

Am Donnerstag, den 01.12.2011, 16:28 +0100 schrieb suvayu ali: > On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 15:51, Heinz Diehl wrote: > > Does anybody know what's happened here? > > Its a faulty update. Downgrade your gtk2. > Or upgrade vte

Re: Bug 648732 – Intel wireless broken on 11n for many users

On 12/03/2011 03:37 AM, Ian Malone wrote: On 2 December 2011 21:08, Lawrence Graves wrote: On 12/02/2011 11:18 AM, Ian Malone wrote: On 02/12/11 12:04, Ian Malone wrote: This (in order), moves your current Xorg configuration to a backup file, uses nvidia-config-display to create a new one,

Re: Boot Problems em1: link becomes ready

Can you try to boot with biosdevname=1 parameter and see if it works. If it does not, I would like to see it reversed i.e biosdevname=0. This is not any conclusive answer by any means, just an attempt to see whether it does any good or bad. Also, what is the system where you are trying to install.

Re: Bug 648732 – Intel wireless broken on 11n for many users

On 2 December 2011 21:08, Lawrence Graves wrote: > > > On 12/02/2011 11:18 AM, Ian Malone wrote: > > On 02/12/11 12:04, Ian Malone wrote: > > This (in order), moves your current Xorg configuration to a backup > file, uses nvidia-config-display to create a new one, tells the system > not to use the

kernel upgrade bug?

I just did a yum update -- no errors, everything went fine, but now my /boot looks like this: dr-xr-xr-x. 6 root root 1024 Dec 3 12:23 ./ dr-xr-xr-x. 30 root root 4096 Dec 3 03:27 ../ -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 512 Dec 26 2001 boot.0300 -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 512 Mar 21 200

Re: Midnight commander: ALT+ENTER does no longer work

On Fri, 2 Dec 2011 20:09:30 +0100, HD (Heinz) wrote: > On 02.12.2011, Michael Schwendt wrote: > > > Is that the full output or truncated? > > It's the full output. > > > Try > > > > yum downgrade gtk2\* > > > > to cover also subpackages. > > I ignored the dependencies, downloaded the

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

On Fri, 2011-12-02 at 21:29 -0800, Scott Doty wrote: > On 12/02/2011 09:02 PM, Craig White wrote: > > - you want to pin some relevance to whatever Linux Torvalds thinks > > about Gnome is actually significant to this or any discussion, your > > whimpers are laughable. I don't recall seeing you post

Re: Boot Problems em1: link becomes ready

> > Repeating your question every 12 hours in a separate thread is not > going to get you any answers. Many even consider this as rude/bad > etiquette. apologies. keep in mind. > > This mailing list is a volunteer effort, if someone feels they can > help you they will get back to your thread when

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 08:40 +, JB wrote: > Craig White azapple.com> writes: > > Man, you brought me back from hibernation again ... was not my intention to do so... take responsibility for your own actions rather than blame others > That user base (technical and non-technical) start

Re: Boot Problems em1: link becomes ready

Hi Swapnil, On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 11:07, Swapnil Bhartiya wrote: > Installed Fedora 16 and after setting up account and installing needed > apps (LibreOffice etc) when rebooted I was stuck in text console whit > the screen now going beyond this message: > > em1: link becomes ready > > Can't use

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

Am 03.12.2011 06:02, schrieb Craig White: > - that a significant portion of the Gnome code base had aged and needed > to be re-written was not merely 'Change for the sake of change', good developers knowing the word "refactoring" while you do refactoring the behavior MUST NOT change bad develop

Re: question on gdb

On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 08:12, Gregory Hosler wrote: > If this is your first time, perhaps don't install the debuginfo for libraries > where you think the problem isn't, and where you think you will not need to > trace into said library(s). If, during debugging, you feel that "gee, it would > be us

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

Am 03.12.2011 03:21, schrieb Christopher A. Williams: > PCs will likely never go away, but to say that they will not be greatly > impacted by the coming age of new devices is to stick your head in the > sand and pretend that the change isn't coming. And Linux does very well > in this coming wave.

Boot Problems em1: link becomes ready

Installed Fedora 16 and after setting up account and installing needed apps (LibreOffice etc) when rebooted I was stuck in text console whit the screen now going beyond this message: em1: link becomes ready Can't use that desktop. Please suggest -- Swapnil Bhartiya -- users mailing list user

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

Craig White azapple.com> writes: Man, you brought me back from hibernation again ... > ... > Considering... > > - that you can have your beloved Gnome 2 for at least another 5 years on > RHEL 6 (or various rebuilds thereof), > But you do not have a workable GNOME DE in Fedora. This fact intr

Re: question on gdb

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/28/2011 04:16 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > Community: > > I am trying to run gdb on a program that is crashing and I am getting > messages of: > +++ > Missing separate debuginfos, use debug-install glibc-2.13.2.x86_64 > libgcc-4.5.1.fc14.x86