Re: [OT] SAS disks

2011/10/11 Scott Rouse : >(...) > > Configure them however you need to.  The configuration you use depends on > your needs. >(...) Thank you, i'll choose the SAS disks, you and google are saying that's a good option, ;-) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change

Re: [OT] SAS disks

On Oct 11, 2011 9:35 PM, "Leonardo" wrote: > > 2011/10/11 Scott Rouse : > >(..) > > Never had a problem with SAS disks. We use them in servers all the time. > >(..) > > Ah, this is a good news, i was afraid with possible known and unresolved bug. > > How do you boot this machine. My previous bare

Re: [OT] SAS disks

2011/10/11 Scott Rouse : >(..) > Never had a problem with SAS disks. We use them in servers all the time. >(..) Ah, this is a good news, i was afraid with possible known and unresolved bug. How do you boot this machine. My previous bare experience was with a hp machine with a preconfigured sas di

Re: [OT] SAS disks

On Oct 11, 2011 9:08 PM, "Leonardo" wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > Anyone have any issues using SAS harddisks (15k rpms) with Fedora or > Red Hat? i'm looking for assemble a server and i'm wondering if such > terrain is safe or if i should keep 10k rpms regular sata instead. > > thanks in advance.

[OT] SAS disks

Hello everyone, Anyone have any issues using SAS harddisks (15k rpms) with Fedora or Red Hat? i'm looking for assemble a server and i'm wondering if such terrain is safe or if i should keep 10k rpms regular sata instead. thanks in advance. For instance, i'm looking at this machine: http://www.d

Re: No, I don't want to maximize my window

Dokuro writes: I like this behavior, is like having a dual head!. And I saw it first on Linux Mint 11, with Gnome 2... so the windows rant is just plain stupid It seems you do not move the windows with alt... If you want this new UI behavior, that's fine, and I could even deal with it being

Re: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name

On 10/11/2011 12:34 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Other than a legal check for conflicts with trademarks etc, that is > correct. Any name can get through if someone proposes and enough people > vote for it. Anyone with a Fedora account can vote and getting a > account takes only a few minutes. Y

Re: flash-plugin not working within SELinux sandbox (f14)

On 10/11/2011 02:04 PM, Christoph A. wrote: > I tried restorecon but it didn't fix the problem. Did the troubleshooter suggest that, or did you try it on your own? In the latter case, try running sealert from a terminal to bring up the troubleshooter and try what it suggests. -- users mailing

Re: flash-plugin not working within SELinux sandbox (f14)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/11/2011 05:04 PM, Christoph A. wrote: > Hi, since a recent flash-plugin it is no longer working within a > sandbox. > > > rpm -qa flash-plugin flash-plugin-11.0.1.152-release.i386 > > rpm -qa *selinux* selinux-policy-targeted-3.9.7-44.fc14.noa

flash-plugin not working within SELinux sandbox (f14)

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, since a recent flash-plugin it is no longer working within a sandbox. rpm -qa flash-plugin flash-plugin-11.0.1.152-release.i386 rpm -qa *selinux* selinux-policy-targeted-3.9.7-44.fc14.noarch libselinux-utils-2.0.96-6.fc14.1.x86_64 libselinux-2

Re: Scanner drivers for a Epson Workforce 635

mickey wrote: > Does anyone knows where I can get Scanner Drivers for a Epson Workforce 635 > inkjet printer. Sane is the only Linux scanning project AFAIK. There's no driver to find, compile, or install. You will either have support with sane or you won't. Try gnome-scan, gimp with the sane pl

Re: Things I cant understand

On 10/11/2011 11:53 AM, Kevin Martin wrote: > > > On 10/11/2011 12:48 PM, Joao Daniel wrote: >> I'm trying to install in F14, 64bits. Snorts need libpcap >> version(libpcap.1.0) >= 1. As far as I know Yum repositories do not have >> it. Just libpcap version < 1. (libpcap.0.84) >> >> I als

Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name

Christoph Wickert wrote: > You don't need to be a developer, you just need to have a FAS Account. According to http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/announce/2011-October/003000.html * In order to vote, you must have a valid Fedora Project Contributor Agreement (FPCA) on file and be a membe

Re: Java crashes in Mozilla Firefox

* Per Anton Rønning [2011-10-11 15:50]: > Deepak Bhole wrote: > > * John Pilkington [2011-10-09 10:23]: > >> On 09/10/11 14:33, John Pilkington wrote: ... ... > >>> John P > >> Anyway I don't see icedtea rpms from any of my usual repos in f14, but > >> Firefox > Tools > Add-ons > Plugins shows I

Re: Java crashes in Mozilla Firefox

Deepak Bhole wrote: > * John Pilkington [2011-10-09 10:23]: >> On 09/10/11 14:33, John Pilkington wrote: >>> On 09/10/11 14:04, Per Anton Rønning wrote: Deepak Bhole wrote: > * Per Anton Rønning [2011-10-06 05:12]: >> Hi suomi, >> No, I have not. Do you have any experience with

Re: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 2:34 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Other than a legal check for conflicts with trademarks etc,  that is > correct.  Any name can get through if someone proposes and enough people > vote for it.  Anyone with a Fedora account can vote and getting a > account takes only a few mi

Re: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name

On 10/11/2011 06:47 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > I did not know the proceedings for voting or even that it was on, so it > is correct, I did not vote. Of course, that gives me no voice (which is > appropriate). However, it does not preclude me from having an opinion. Sure but the fact is that, sug

Re: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name

On 10/11/2011 07:47 PM, Dokuro wrote: > I could not vote because the sing in site always gave me bad captcha > as result... Report such issues. Admin AT fedoraproject.org Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fed

Re: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name

On 10/11/2011 07:05 PM, Tim wrote: > On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 21:57 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: >> I voted a 0 on this name. Did anyone else complaining even vote? There >> was low voter turnout. > > So, if someone proposes an inappropriate name, and if enough people vote > for it, it'll get th

Re: Things I cant understand

On 10/11/2011 12:48 PM, Joao Daniel wrote: > I'm trying to install in F14, 64bits. Snorts need libpcap > version(libpcap.1.0) >= 1. As far as I know Yum repositories do not have > it. Just libpcap version < 1. (libpcap.0.84) > > I also have tried a simply ./configure* (without anything) t

Re: Java crashes in Mozilla Firefox

* John Pilkington [2011-10-09 10:23]: > On 09/10/11 14:33, John Pilkington wrote: > > On 09/10/11 14:04, Per Anton Rønning wrote: > >> Deepak Bhole wrote: > >>> * Per Anton Rønning [2011-10-06 05:12]: > Hi suomi, > No, I have not. Do you have any experience with that one? > >>> > >>> H

Re: Current F15 kernels + proprietary nVidia driver ? kmod, akmod, x11 config.

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 10/11/2011 06:05 AM, Richard Shaw wrote: >> Since the kernel is not dependent on kmod packages then the kernel >> will get updated regardless of kmod availability. Until the new kernel >> is installed then the dependency of the kmod is not met

Re: Things I cant understand

I'm trying to install in F14, 64bits. Snorts need libpcap version(libpcap.1.0) >= 1. As far as I know Yum repositories do not have it. Just libpcap version < 1. (libpcap.0.84) I also have tried a simply ./configure* (without anything) then a make and make install but again no results. *

Re: Current F15 kernels + proprietary nVidia driver ? kmod, akmod, x11 config.

On 10/11/2011 06:05 AM, Richard Shaw wrote: > Since the kernel is not dependent on kmod packages then the kernel > will get updated regardless of kmod availability. Until the new kernel > is installed then the dependency of the kmod is not met, which is why > they don't get installed until the 2nd

Re: F15 preupgrade: lots of uneraseable dupes

On 10/11/2011 08:08 AM, William Hooper wrote: > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 4:29 PM, JD wrote: >> I'll wait for the full release of f16 in Nov. >> and try again. I will try to generate a log >> of all the events and outputs. > Waiting on the full release pretty much guaranties that the issue > can't b

Re: removing packages

On 10/11/2011 01:56 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 23:18:50 -0500, BWI (Bruno) wrote: > >> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 20:16:07 -0700, >>JD wrote: >>> Well, lo and behold, yum decided that other packages >>> not in the list would also be removed: >> You checked dependencies on th

Scanner drivers for a Epson Workforce 635

Fedora 15 Does anyone knows where I can get Scanner Drivers for a Epson Workforce 635 inkjet printer. I found the Printer drivers for this printer online, but not the Scanner Drivers -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin

Re: F15 preupgrade: lots of uneraseable dupes

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: >> external-1.00 requires = fedora-pkg1-1.00 instead of external-1.00 >> requires >= fedora-pkg1-1.00? > > It is pretty common for users of libraries to require particular soname > versions. Okay that explains it. I was erroneously assuming

[389-users] Certificate based authentication

Hi I am looking at doing certifcate based authentication using 389. The company where I am working currently issues a certificate for every new starter and these certs are well managed with regards to sensible expiry dates etc. This cert is your key to the whole environment and a lot of the applic

Re: F15 preupgrade: lots of uneraseable dupes

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 14:46:42 +0200, suvayu ali wrote: > > I thought yum doesn't do these kind of reverse dependency checks (the > reason remove-with-leaves is not reliable)? Or are you talking about > situations when an external package has a hard dependency like this: > > external-1.00 re

Re: SPOT Repo: Chromium Update Dependancy Issue

On 10/06/2011 12:12 PM, Trutwin, Joshua wrote: > Think need a dependency check for libjingle >= 0.6.0 for chromium package. I think you're right. I'll add this when I do the next round of updates. ~tom == Fedora Project -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or chan

Re: F15 preupgrade: lots of uneraseable dupes

On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 4:29 PM, JD wrote: > I'll wait for the full release of f16 in Nov. > and try again. I will try to generate a log > of all the events and outputs. Waiting on the full release pretty much guaranties that the issue can't be fixed until at least F17. Testing the betas and get

Re: cleaning java alternatives

* Ian Malone [2011-10-03 17:32]: > Hi, > > A long time ago (before iced tea and openjdk) I installed Sun Java on > my Fedora system (I see the jpackage website still exists, though it's > a bit quiet). And through subsequent upgrades I gradually ended up > with alternatives (as in alternatives --

Re: [389-users] 389 pauses every 5 minutes under load

On 10/10/2011 02:46 PM, Rich Megginson wrote: I'm just trying to figure out what happens every 5 minutes inside the directory server. There is a thread that attempts to clean up tombstone entries and other state information. But if you are not using replication then that is not run. There ar

Re: No, I don't want to maximize my window

On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > In my opinion, one of the most annoying, obnoxious, and irritating behaviors > in Gnome 3 is its in-your-face maximization of the window I'm dragging, when > I move it partly off to the side of the screen. When I'm dragging the > window, an

Re: XFCE does not mount an audio CD

On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 13:49 -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: > On 10/10/2011 01:10 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > When I am in XFCE audio CDs do not mount and play. On the same machine > > the audio CDs play in Gnome 3. > > > > What could be wrong in XFCE and how can it be fixed? > > > > All this is in F

Re: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name

Tom Horsley wrote: > So where do we go to propose names? It was done on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Name_suggestions_for_Fedora_17 I suppose when the nomination period opens for f18, there will be corresponding, http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Name_suggestions_for_Fedora_18 -- rex -- users

Re: installation on a dell netbook

On Tue, 2011-10-11 at 09:03 -0300, Martín Marqués wrote: > 2011/10/6 Shiv Manas : > > 1. Create a Live USB Stick > > https://fedorahosted.org/liveusb-creator/ > > This didn't work (not with the netbook, and not with my notebook). > > 1) Downloaded F15 iso image > 2) installed liveusb-creator > 3)

Re: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name

I could not vote because the sing in site always gave me bad captcha as result... -- OS: http://fedoraproject.org/es/ - http://www.linuxmint.com/ Graficos: http://www.blender.org - http://www.gimp.org Musica: http://www.jamendo.com - http://www.openoctave.org/ Recetas: http://www.recetas-sencilla

Re: XFCE does not mount an audio CD

On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 14:19 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 10/10/2011 01:40 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > Audio cd's don't usually mount at all. You should be able to put them > > in and run your media playing application and it should see the cd and > > let you play it. There will not be anything on the

Re: XFCE does not mount an audio CD

On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 14:40 -0600, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 15:10:37 -0500 > Aaron Konstam wrote: > > > When I am in XFCE audio CDs do not mount and play. On the same machine > > the audio CDs play in Gnome 3. > > > > What could be wrong in XFCE and how can it be fixed? > > > >

Re: locking root to a machine

On 10/09/2011 05:12 PM, Beartooth wrote: > > A regular on a private list I follow has written : > > [...] therein lies the beauty of the newer flavors of *nix. You > can lock root (and SU) access to physical machines ONLY, and > even lock it down to specific logins ONLY on speci

Re: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name

So where do we go to propose names? I'd like to be able to vote for the ultra secret squirrel code name for fedora 18 to be: "fedora 18". Now *there's* a code name for you! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproj

Re: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name

On 10/11/2011 02:17 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 07:09:29 -0500 Christoph Wickert > wrote: > >> Am Dienstag, den 11.10.2011, 19:25 +0800 schrieb Ed Greshko: >>> I frankly (no pun intended) don't think "Beefy Miracle" is a name to be >>> proud of. >> >> I do. Even though I am ve

Re: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name

On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 21:57 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > I voted a 0 on this name. Did anyone else complaining even vote? There > was low voter turnout. So, if someone proposes an inappropriate name, and if enough people vote for it, it'll get through. There's no vetting of appropriate pro

Re: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 6:17 AM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 07:09:29 -0500 Christoph Wickert > wrote: > >> Am Dienstag, den 11.10.2011, 19:25 +0800 schrieb Ed Greshko: >> > I frankly (no pun intended) don't think "Beefy Miracle" is a name to be >> > proud of. >> >> I do. Even thou

Re: Current F15 kernels + proprietary nVidia driver ? kmod, akmod, x11 config.

On Tue, 2011-10-11 at 08:05 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: > Since the kernel is not dependent on kmod packages then the kernel > will get updated regardless of kmod availability. Until the new kernel > is installed then the dependency of the kmod is not met, which is why > they don't get installed unt

Re: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name

On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 07:09:29 -0500 Christoph Wickert wrote: > Am Dienstag, den 11.10.2011, 19:25 +0800 schrieb Ed Greshko: > > I frankly (no pun intended) don't think "Beefy Miracle" is a name to be > > proud of. > > I do. Even though I am vegetarian. > My problem with the name is that it con

Re: Current F15 kernels + proprietary nVidia driver ? kmod, akmod, x11 config.

On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Tim wrote: > On Mon, 2011-10-10 at 12:53 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: >> With the straight kmod you have to be careful about kernel upgrades >> because it will not get updated until the 2nd yum update run > > Never happened to me. > >> occasionally there's a signifi

Re: F15 preupgrade: lots of uneraseable dupes

Hi Bruno and Craig, On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:11:21 +0200, >  suvayu ali wrote: >> >> Just wanted a clarification on that statement. I thought the safer way >> was to disable all the community repositories before using something >> like

Re: F15 preupgrade: lots of uneraseable dupes

On Tue, 2011-10-11 at 12:11 +0200, suvayu ali wrote: > Hi Craig, > > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Craig White wrote: > > I suppose if you go 'off the reservation' (use un-official repos) then > > Ubuntu and Fedora are certainly capable of failing especially if you > > disable them prior to up

Re: F15 preupgrade: lots of uneraseable dupes

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 12:11:21 +0200, suvayu ali wrote: > > Just wanted a clarification on that statement. I thought the safer way > was to disable all the community repositories before using something > like yum upgrade or preupgrade. That way any hidden packaging bug in > community packages

Re: Getting timeouts on TFTP on F15 as well as F14

On 11 October 2011 13:13, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote: > Aaron Gray wrote: > > On 11 October 2011 00:05, Frantisek Hanzlik fra...@hanzlici.cz>> > > wrote: > > > > Aaron Gray wrote: > > > On 10 October 2011 23:31, Frantisek Hanzlik >

Re: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name

On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:07:50 +0200, CW (Christoph) wrote: > Am Dienstag, den 11.10.2011, 13:25 +0200 schrieb Michael Schwendt: > > On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 10:23:15 +0200, CW (Christoph) wrote: > > > > > Am Dienstag, den 11.10.2011, 08:40 +0200 schrieb Erik P. Olsen: > > > > On 11/10/11 03:02, Jared K

Re: Getting timeouts on TFTP on F15 as well as F14

Aaron Gray wrote: > On 11 October 2011 00:05, Frantisek Hanzlik > > wrote: > > Aaron Gray wrote: > > On 10 October 2011 23:31, Frantisek Hanzlik >> > > wrote: > > >

Re: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name

Am Dienstag, den 11.10.2011, 19:25 +0800 schrieb Ed Greshko: > I frankly (no pun intended) don't think "Beefy Miracle" is a name to be > proud of. I do. Even though I am vegetarian. Regards, Christoph -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription op

Re: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name

Am Dienstag, den 11.10.2011, 13:25 +0200 schrieb Michael Schwendt: > On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 10:23:15 +0200, CW (Christoph) wrote: > > > Am Dienstag, den 11.10.2011, 08:40 +0200 schrieb Erik P. Olsen: > > > On 11/10/11 03:02, Jared K. Smith wrote: > > > > > > > The Fedora 16 release name is: Beefy Mi

Ethernet Installation of F15 using Apache and PXE environment on another machine

Is it possible to do an ethernet Installation of F15 using Apache and PXE environment on another machine rather than from the internet ( download.fedora.redhat.com) ? Many thanks, Aaron -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://adm

Re: installation on a dell netbook

2011/10/6 Shiv Manas : > 1. Create a Live USB Stick > https://fedorahosted.org/liveusb-creator/ This didn't work (not with the netbook, and not with my notebook). 1) Downloaded F15 iso image 2) installed liveusb-creator 3) Boot from the USB Result: Missing Operating System -- Martín Marqués se

Re: Getting timeouts on TFTP on F15 as well as F14

On 11 October 2011 00:05, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote: > Aaron Gray wrote: > > On 10 October 2011 23:31, Frantisek Hanzlik fra...@hanzlici.cz>> > > wrote: > > > > Aaron Gray wrote: > > > On 10 October 2011 22:20, Frantisek Hanzlik >

Re: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name

On 11/10/11 09:23, Christoph Wickert wrote: > > Beefy Miracle has a long history in Fedora, in fact it dates back to the > days of Red Hat Linux and as a tribute to one of the greatest Red Hat > releases ever it's just fair to have Fedora named "Beefy Miracle" 10 > years later. > > Just my 2 cents,

Re: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name

On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 10:23:15 +0200, CW (Christoph) wrote: > Am Dienstag, den 11.10.2011, 08:40 +0200 schrieb Erik P. Olsen: > > On 11/10/11 03:02, Jared K. Smith wrote: > > > > > The Fedora 16 release name is: Beefy Miracle > > > > Childish. > > Why? Well, try to explain it to the users withou

Re: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name

On 10/11/2011 06:58 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > If it bugs you that much, consider taking part in the voting next time.;) > That might also make it more difficult for small groups to push their > names. It really doesn't bug me very much at all. I have no idea what the names of F10, F11, F12,

Re: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name

On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:07:45 +0800, EG (Ed) wrote: > On 10/11/2011 01:39 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > > Unless you are happy with everyone telling the "these number of people" > > where to put their beefy miracle --- fill in the cliche yourself (does > > it still sound "cute" in this context and

Re: F15 preupgrade: lots of uneraseable dupes

Hi Craig, On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 6:31 AM, Craig White wrote: > I suppose if you go 'off the reservation' (use un-official repos) then > Ubuntu and Fedora are certainly capable of failing especially if you > disable them prior to upgrading (not sure why you would disable them). > Just wanted a c

Re: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name

On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 18:40:42 -0700 Thomas Dineen wrote: > "Beefy Miracle" > > Sounds like a new brand of dog food. I imagine all the p0rn sites are busy trying to googlebomb the phrase ready 8) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription optio

Re: F15 preupgrade: lots of uneraseable dupes

On Tue, 11 Oct 2011 05:13:20 +0530 Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 10/11/2011 03:10 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 15:52, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> It is a fact. There is a lot of empirical proof for this. Scripts are > >> good for single purpose small cases. Once you want

Re: removing packages

On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 23:18:50 -0500, BWI (Bruno) wrote: > On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 20:16:07 -0700, > JD wrote: > > > > Well, lo and behold, yum decided that other packages > > not in the list would also be removed: > > You checked dependencies on the package names. There can also be > dependenci

Re: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name

Am Dienstag, den 11.10.2011, 00:32 -0400 schrieb Chris Kloiber: > On 10/10/2011 10:57 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > > - Original message - > >> Actually, I have to believe this is a joke email if it is true, > >> then all I can wonder is if Fedora naming is under the control of 13

Re: Results of the voting for the Fedora 17 release name

Am Dienstag, den 11.10.2011, 08:40 +0200 schrieb Erik P. Olsen: > On 11/10/11 03:02, Jared K. Smith wrote: > > > The Fedora 16 release name is: Beefy Miracle > > Childish. Why? Beefy Miracle has a long history in Fedora, in fact it dates back to the days of Red Hat Linux and as a tribute to one