Re: Gnome suggestion

2011-10-06 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 01:16, Digimer wrote: > > Feedback on the idea? +1 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines

Gnome suggestion

2011-10-06 Thread Digimer
I'm not on the gnome list, and for the sake of one suggestion I figured I'd toss it out here and see what the Fedora community thinks. I've come to love Gnome3, but I do miss the system status graphs I used to have docked on the taskbar. The bottom-left of the screen currently doesn't have a use,

Re: Java crashes in Mozilla Firefox

2011-10-06 Thread Deepak Bhole
* Per Anton Rønning [2011-10-06 05:12]: > Hi suomi, > No, I have not. Do you have any experience with that one? Hi Per, Can you please try with the IcedTea-Web plug-in and let us know if it works? Installation is simple. First remove libnpjp2.so out of the way and then run as root: 1. yum insta

Re: can I get rid of these annoying log messages?

2011-10-06 Thread T.C. Hollingsworth
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > I cranked the systemd log level down to "err", but > I'm still getting these filling up my /var/log/messages > over time (this is on fedora 15): > > Oct  6 19:12:50 zooty dbus-daemon: [system] Activation via systemd failed for > unit 'dbus-org.

Battery Status Errors

2011-10-06 Thread Keith Clark
Hi everyone. I'm new to Fedora and seem to be having an issue with my battery status on my laptop. My laptop battery is still in fair shape and lasts about an hour and a half on other operating systems. I see by the battery icon when I'm plugged in that I'm 100% charged. When I unplug, my laptop

Re: installation on a dell netbook

2011-10-06 Thread Shiv Manas
1. Create a Live USB Stick https://fedorahosted.org/liveusb-creator/ 2. Boot from the above stick http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_Live_USB#How_to_Boot_a_Live_USB_Drive 2011/10/7 Martín Marqués > I have to do an installetion on a Dell netbook which has no CD/DVD > drive. I

Re: create a (wine windows exec) desktop entry to autostart

2011-10-06 Thread charles zeitler
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Antonio Olivares wrote: > Dear folks, > > I want to create an autostart entry for Gnome Desktop. > > the file that I want to autostart is > wine ~/Desktop/vti folder/Vti.exe try: wine ~/Desktop/vti\ folder/Vti.ex

can I get rid of these annoying log messages?

2011-10-06 Thread Tom Horsley
I cranked the systemd log level down to "err", but I'm still getting these filling up my /var/log/messages over time (this is on fedora 15): Oct 6 19:12:50 zooty dbus-daemon: [system] Activation via systemd failed for unit 'dbus-org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.service': Unit dbus-org.freedesktop

Re: Youtube-dl frontend

2011-10-06 Thread Steven Stern
On 10/06/2011 02:08 PM, mickey wrote: > Is there a frontend-gui for youtube-dl in Fedora repo's ? There are plugins for both Firefox and Chrome. Let google be your guide. -- -- Steve -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admi

Re: Youtube-dl frontend

2011-10-06 Thread Joe Zeff
On 10/06/2011 02:26 PM, mickey wrote: > On 10/06/2011 03:17 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: >> On 10/06/2011 12:08 PM, mickey wrote: >>> Is there a frontend-gui for youtube-dl in Fedora repo's ? >> Not that I know of. AIUI, you're supposed to install the Greasemonkey >> addon and let it handle the job. > What

Re: Fwd: Re: Youtube-dl frontend

2011-10-06 Thread JD
On 10/06/2011 02:53 PM, mickey wrote: > > > Original Message > Subject: Re: Youtube-dl frontend > Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 14:35:02 -0700 > From: JD > Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users > > To: Community support for Fedora users > > > > On 10

Re: Re: Youtube-dl frontend

2011-10-06 Thread Andras Simon
2011/10/6, mickey : > I haven't the slightest as to what he is talking about, that is the reason I > ask. Me neither, but if you want to download video from youtube and a ton of other sites, you can use DownloadHelper: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/video-downloadhelper/ Andras -

Fwd: Re: Youtube-dl frontend

2011-10-06 Thread mickey
Original Message Subject:Re: Youtube-dl frontend Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 14:35:02 -0700 From: JD Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users To: Community support for Fedora users On 10/06/2011 02:26 PM, mickey wrote: On 10/06/2011 03:17 PM, Joe Zeff

installation on a dell netbook

2011-10-06 Thread Martín Marqués
I have to do an installetion on a Dell netbook which has no CD/DVD drive. I see no instruction on how to install Fedora on a netbook from a USB stick. Any links are welcome. -- Martín Marqués select 'martin.marques' || '@' || 'gmail.com' DBA, Programador, Administrador -- users mailing list user

Re: Java crashes in Mozilla Firefox

2011-10-06 Thread Per Anton Rønning
Heinz Diehl wrote: > On 06.10.2011, Per Anton Rønning wrote: > >> I downloaded the latest Firefox, and the latest Java as well. But now FF >> crashes when trying to start Java Plugin. My internet banking logon >> application is a good example, but it also crashes when trying to check >> if Jav

Re: Youtube-dl frontend

2011-10-06 Thread JD
On 10/06/2011 02:26 PM, mickey wrote: > On 10/06/2011 03:17 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: >> On 10/06/2011 12:08 PM, mickey wrote: >>> Is there a frontend-gui for youtube-dl in Fedora repo's ? >> Not that I know of. AIUI, you're supposed to install the Greasemonkey >> addon and let it handle the job. > What

Re: Youtube-dl frontend

2011-10-06 Thread mickey
On 10/06/2011 03:17 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 10/06/2011 12:08 PM, mickey wrote: >> Is there a frontend-gui for youtube-dl in Fedora repo's ? > Not that I know of. AIUI, you're supposed to install the Greasemonkey > addon and let it handle the job. What is the name of the Addon ? -- users mailing

NFS + Kerberos can't mount

2011-10-06 Thread fernando
Hi there, Here I am again with problem mouting a remote NFS share using NFS. The server is deban but the client is Fedora 15. It used to work using Fedora 14 but after a F15 fresh install I can't mount the remote share. My F15 box has all updates so far. I do have connectivity to the kerberos ser

Re: Java crashes in Mozilla Firefox

2011-10-06 Thread Ian Malone
On 6 October 2011 13:10, Per Anton Rønning wrote: > Ian Malone wrote: >> On 6 October 2011 09:26, Per Anton Rønning wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> I downloaded the latest Firefox, and the latest Java as well. But now FF >>>     crashes when trying to start Java Plugin. My internet banking logon >>> appli

Upgrading to F16 Beta

2011-10-06 Thread JD
Besides backing up the system first, before attempting this, is it possible to fully upgrade to F16 while booted into current F14? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: h

lightspark x flash

2011-10-06 Thread fernando
Hi, I read there are some vocal users of lightspark on the list, so here's a question: A web conferencing application like DimDim or BigBlueButton would work using lightspark instead of Flash? I Have a problem with recent flash updates in that they "lock" the mic and no other app can get sound

Re: upgrading fedora 11 to the latest version of fedora

2011-10-06 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Thursday 06 October 2011 20:41:06 Roberto Ragusa wrote: > On 10/05/2011 07:01 PM, Thomas Dineen wrote: > > Software releases like wine and cheese need to age for a while to be > > great! > > Is there a software called "cheese"? > Wow, I have definitely misunderstood the sentence on first readin

Re: upgrading fedora 11 to the latest version of fedora

2011-10-06 Thread Joe Zeff
On 10/06/2011 12:41 PM, Roberto Ragusa wrote: > On 10/05/2011 07:01 PM, Thomas Dineen wrote: > >> Software releases like wine and cheese need to age for a while to be great! > > Is there a software called "cheese"? > Wow, I have definitely misunderstood the sentence on first reading. :-) > Yes, in

Re: upgrading fedora 11 to the latest version of fedora

2011-10-06 Thread Roberto Ragusa
On 10/05/2011 07:01 PM, Thomas Dineen wrote: > Software releases like wine and cheese need to age for a while to be great! Is there a software called "cheese"? Wow, I have definitely misunderstood the sentence on first reading. :-) -- Roberto Ragusamail at robertoragusa.it -- users mail

Re: Youtube-dl frontend

2011-10-06 Thread Joe Zeff
On 10/06/2011 12:08 PM, mickey wrote: > Is there a frontend-gui for youtube-dl in Fedora repo's ? Not that I know of. AIUI, you're supposed to install the Greasemonkey addon and let it handle the job. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription opti

Youtube-dl frontend

2011-10-06 Thread mickey
Is there a frontend-gui for youtube-dl in Fedora repo's ? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines

Re: Downgrade to KDE 4.6?

2011-10-06 Thread Manuel Escudero
2011/10/5 Hiisi > On 5 October 2011 17:59, Hiisi wrote: > > On 5 October 2011 17:46, Rex Dieter wrote: > >> Hiisi wrote: > >>> Investigate /var/log/yum.log to find out what packages related to kde > >>> were updated recently. Then yum downgrade > >>> HTH > >> > >> That likely won't work in thi

Re: Yum update from live media??

2011-10-06 Thread Richard Shaw
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Beartooth wrote: > >        I have an F14 PC on which I'm currently running F15/xfce from a > live medium. Having had too little coffee, I tried (as root) telling it > "yum update." > >        It did it, or was about to. It got all the way to its "Is this > all rig

Re: thunar instead of nautilus problem

2011-10-06 Thread Leonardo
Hello, 2011/10/6 Beartooth : > (...) >        I know I'm late to the fair, but couldn't you just run your gnome > app(s) in xfce? (You may first have to command "yum install terminal>" or whatever.) (...) Actually i was using XFCE normally but i decided to use gnome-shell again. It happens times

Yum update from live media??

2011-10-06 Thread Beartooth
I have an F14 PC on which I'm currently running F15/xfce from a live medium. Having had too little coffee, I tried (as root) telling it "yum update." It did it, or was about to. It got all the way to its "Is this all right" question -- whereupon it was going to install fifteen

Re: Installing F16 under VMWare Fusion

2011-10-06 Thread Raphael Groner
> Uncheck "Use Easy Install" when > creating a F16 VM with VMWare Fusion. Anaconda will segfault very > early in the setup process. First, VMWare is closed source and therefore not supported by a distribution that claims to be completly open and free. Though, you should try to report that as a b

Re: thunar instead of nautilus problem

2011-10-06 Thread Beartooth
On Mon, 03 Oct 2011 11:05:48 -0300, Leonardo wrote: > hello everyone. > > I've installed XFCE and it works ok. But sometimes i go back to GNOME > and firefox keeps opening thunar instead of nautilus when i'm not on > XFCE. I know I'm late to the fair, but couldn't you just run your gnome

Installing F16 under VMWare Fusion

2011-10-06 Thread Steven Stern
Just a note to save you some time Uncheck "Use Easy Install" when creating a F16 VM with VMWare Fusion. Anaconda will segfault very early in the setup process. -- -- Steve -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedor

Re: Fun and games with 3TB hard drives

2011-10-06 Thread Daniel B. Thurman
On 10/02/2011 08:40 AM, Newbury wrote: > To Daniel Thurman > > Why fight with physical hardware limitations? > > Install Virtualbox (it's free) and create as many bootable virtuals as you > want, each reachable without a physical hard-on-the-hardware re-boot. And > from my experience the actual b

Re: heads up: Adobe now has full 64-bit Flash support

2011-10-06 Thread Raphael Groner
> It depends on ffmpeg which has patent encumbered codecs. Flash files > tend to use MP3 for audio and unless the player can use gstreamer > instead of ffmpeg (which is the case for Gnash), it can't be in > Fedora. Right. As far as I can see, the packages in RPM Fusion are outdated and still in

Re: SPOT Repo: Chromium Update Dependancy Issue

2011-10-06 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 10/06/2011 09:42 PM, Trutwin, Joshua wrote: > Just an FYI for the spot repo owner (not sure how to contact directly), > rpm -q --changelog | head will have the email address you can email Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options

Re: heads up: Adobe now has full 64-bit Flash support

2011-10-06 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Thursday 06 October 2011 17:17:01 Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 10/06/2011 09:20 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > > On Thursday 06 October 2011 16:06:13 Raphael Groner wrote: > >> So, I don't see any needs for Adobe closed source binaries any more in > >> a distribution that claims to be completely ope

Re: Java crashes in Mozilla Firefox

2011-10-06 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 06.10.2011, Per Anton Rønning wrote: > I downloaded the latest Firefox, and the latest Java as well. But now FF > crashes when trying to start Java Plugin. My internet banking logon > application is a good example, but it also crashes when trying to check > if Java is correctly installed fo

RE: heads up: Adobe now has full 64-bit Flash support

2011-10-06 Thread Trutwin, Joshua
> On Thu, 2011-10-06 at 17:06 +0200, Raphael Groner wrote: > > So, I don't see any needs for Adobe closed source binaries any more in > > a distribution that claims to be completely open and free. > > Flash is not "in" Fedora. The fact that Adobe provides a repo means nothing. > The official Fedor

Re: heads up: Adobe now has full 64-bit Flash support

2011-10-06 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 10/06/2011 09:20 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > On Thursday 06 October 2011 16:06:13 Raphael Groner wrote: >> So, I don't see any needs for Adobe closed source binaries any more in >> a distribution that claims to be completely open and free. >> >> http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/lightspark/wiki/

Re: heads up: Adobe now has full 64-bit Flash support

2011-10-06 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2011-10-06 at 17:06 +0200, Raphael Groner wrote: > So, I don't see any needs for Adobe closed source binaries any more in > a distribution that claims to be completely open and free. Flash is not "in" Fedora. The fact that Adobe provides a repo means nothing. The official Fedora repos cont

SPOT Repo: Chromium Update Dependancy Issue

2011-10-06 Thread Trutwin, Joshua
Just an FYI for the spot repo owner (not sure how to contact directly), Today I ran the following yum command: yum update chromium It installed updates for chromium and v8 - but NOT libjingle. I previously had chromium 13.0.782.215 and libjingle 0.5.8. After running the update chromium-browse

VM qemu-kvm Shutdown question

2011-10-06 Thread Cristian Sava
Hi, I use F15 x64. I installed a Win7 x32 in VM-qemu and shutdown does not work for me. For the VM shutdown=restart and no way to change this behavior. I want shutdown no FORCED OFF and no restart instead. Am I missing something? Cristian -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Rhythymbox on F15 under gnome3

2011-10-06 Thread Gregory P. Ennis
I have not been able to get rhythmbox on F15 under gnome3 to work with magnatunes or jamendo. The radio as well as the direct access of music on my pc works fine. Other software like 'movie player' and 'dragon player' work fine. When I try to connect to magnatunes or jamendo it attempts to down

Re: heads up: Adobe now has full 64-bit Flash support

2011-10-06 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Thursday 06 October 2011 16:06:13 Raphael Groner wrote: > So, I don't see any needs for Adobe closed source binaries any more in > a distribution that claims to be completely open and free. > > http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/lightspark/wiki/Building#TheeasywayonFedora > > Don't ask me why av

Re: [389-users] Views, Filtered roles and CoS

2011-10-06 Thread Rich Megginson
On 05/31/2011 09:45 AM, Andrey Ivanov wrote: Hi Colin, you can use two different attributes (or the subtypes of an attribute). But it implies that the nss_ldap configuration file on development servers is different. That's the way we do it. Example: the user entry : dn: uid=test.user,ou=Peop

Problem with the gnome package updater

2011-10-06 Thread Frode
Hi. I have got a problem that I hope someone could help me resolve: The last few days I haven't been able to use gpk-update-viewer to install updates. When started it dispalys an error message in a dialog window: Unable to get updates Could not process requests Opening 'More Details' reve

Re: heads up: Adobe now has full 64-bit Flash support

2011-10-06 Thread Raphael Groner
> Adobe now has full 64-bit Flash support, including a 64-bit repo. Lightspark is available since ages and it's open source. The new upstream version can also handle youtube again. It handles AVM2 and falls back to Gnash otherwise. So, I don't see any needs for Adobe closed source binaries any

Re: F14, google-chrome won't launch after yum update

2011-10-06 Thread Pedro Francisco
Just for reference, Chrome's bug id http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=87704 . Fixed supposedly on the alpha branch. Configure 32-bit Linux to be PIC-clean. > This change alters the asm defines so that libvpx is free of text > relocations > on 32-bit Linux. > -

Re: Pavilion dv6-3225dx under F14 -- mouse problems

2011-10-06 Thread gary artim
On Wed, Oct 5, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > On 10/5/2011 2:43 PM, gary artim wrote: >> I've tried various drivers and distros -- had a driver working under >> gentoo (xf86-input-synaptics-1.3.0). I thinks the clickpad is a >> complicated device that has not been fully reverse engine

Re: anaconda: --rootPath obsolete. Any workaround?

2011-10-06 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/05/2011 11:42 PM, Kernel Guardian wrote: > For a long time I use diskless installations of Fedora/RHEL/CentOS > with readonly root. Recently, with changes in anaconda, --rootPath > is no longer supported. I have to many different types of > inst

create a (wine windows exec) desktop entry to autostart

2011-10-06 Thread Antonio Olivares
Dear folks, I want to create an autostart entry for Gnome Desktop. When the user is logged in gkrellm automatically starts up. It has a gkrellm.desktop entry in ~/.config/autostart/gkrellm.desktop which contains: [students@localhost ~]$ cat ~/.config/autostart/gkrellm.desktop [Desktop Entry]

Re: heads up: Adobe now has full 64-bit Flash support

2011-10-06 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Don Quixote de la Mancha said: > Is Adobe Reader's ability to fill out tax forms something only it can > do because the file format and API are undocumented, or just because > the Open Source PDF readers have not yet implemented the feature? The PDF format is fully documented an

Re: heads up: Adobe now has full 64-bit Flash support

2011-10-06 Thread suvayu ali
Hi Marko, On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > On Thursday 06 October 2011 12:30:42 suvayu ali wrote: >> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: >> > The security geeks will tell you it is needed to isolate >> > the plugin into a separate executable, >> >> As far a

Re: Java crashes in Mozilla Firefox

2011-10-06 Thread Per Anton Rønning
Ian Malone wrote: > On 6 October 2011 09:26, Per Anton Rønning wrote: >> Hi all, >> I downloaded the latest Firefox, and the latest Java as well. But now FF >> crashes when trying to start Java Plugin. My internet banking logon >> application is a good example, but it also crashes when trying

Re: heads up: Adobe now has full 64-bit Flash support

2011-10-06 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Thursday 06 October 2011 12:30:42 suvayu ali wrote: > On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > > The security geeks will tell you it is needed to isolate > > the plugin into a separate executable, > > As far as I know, the latest Firefox and Google Chrome versions > already sandbox

Re: Fedora 15: a NFSv4 to glusterfs migration HOW-TO

2011-10-06 Thread Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak
On 10/06/2011 06:02 AM, Jan Engelhardt wrote: > >> 3. On the server, edit the volume configuration file >> (/etc/glusterfs/glusterfsd.vol) so that it looks like this: >> >> volume raw >>type storage/posix >>option directory /fileserver >> end-volume >> [...] > > Hm, the setup of volumes is

Re: heads up: Adobe now has full 64-bit Flash support

2011-10-06 Thread suvayu ali
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > The security geeks will tell you it is needed to isolate > the plugin into a separate executable, As far as I know, the latest Firefox and Google Chrome versions already sandbox plugins. Gone are the days when a crashed plugin meant a crashed b

Re: heads up: Adobe now has full 64-bit Flash support

2011-10-06 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 6 Oct 2011 12:16:21 +0200 Alexander Volovics wrote: > Is nspluginwrapper.x86_64 needed for anything at all? The security geeks will tell you it is needed to isolate the plugin into a separate executable, but as near as I can tell, the only thing the wrapper is good for is making flash bre

Re: heads up: Adobe now has full 64-bit Flash support

2011-10-06 Thread Don Quixote de la Mancha
Is Adobe Reader's ability to fill out tax forms something only it can do because the file format and API are undocumented, or just because the Open Source PDF readers have not yet implemented the feature? If such tax forms depend on undocumented trade secrets, it's time to complain to your elected

Re: heads up: Adobe now has full 64-bit Flash support

2011-10-06 Thread Alexander Volovics
On Wed, Oct 05, 2011 at 02:19:05PM +, Andre Robatino wrote: > Adobe now has full 64-bit Flash support, including a 64-bit repo. Just go to > http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ , select "YUM for Linux (YUM)", download and > install adobe-release-x86_64-1.0-1.noarch.rpm, and install flash-plugin

Re: Java crashes in Mozilla Firefox

2011-10-06 Thread Ian Malone
On 6 October 2011 09:26, Per Anton Rønning wrote: > Hi all, > I downloaded the latest Firefox, and the latest Java as well. But now FF >     crashes when trying to start Java Plugin. My internet banking logon > application is a good example, but it also crashes when trying to check > if Java is co

Re: Fedora 15: a NFSv4 to glusterfs migration HOW-TO

2011-10-06 Thread Jan Engelhardt
>3. On the server, edit the volume configuration file >(/etc/glusterfs/glusterfsd.vol) so that it looks like this: > >volume raw > type storage/posix > option directory /fileserver >end-volume >[...] Hm, the setup of volumes is very different from what is done in the Gluster Administration G

Re: Java crashes in Mozilla Firefox

2011-10-06 Thread Per Anton Rønning
Hi suomi, No, I have not. Do you have any experience with that one? I am also uncertain about which of libjavaplugin_oji.so and libnpjp2.so is the correct plugin to use. Some info tells me that the latter one is the one to use, but I have not found any definite directions. PA fedora wrote: > Hi

Re: Java crashes in Mozilla Firefox

2011-10-06 Thread fedora
Hi Per have you tried to use the IcedTea-Web Plugin? suomi On 10/06/2011 10:26 AM, Per Anton Rønning wrote: > Hi all, > I downloaded the latest Firefox, and the latest Java as well. But now FF > crashes when trying to start Java Plugin. My internet banking logon > application is a good exam

Java crashes in Mozilla Firefox

2011-10-06 Thread Per Anton Rønning
Hi all, I downloaded the latest Firefox, and the latest Java as well. But now FF crashes when trying to start Java Plugin. My internet banking logon application is a good example, but it also crashes when trying to check if Java is correctly installed form the Java homepage (Oracle). I Trie