Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-18 Thread Tim
On Sun, 2011-09-18 at 18:06 +0200, Alexander Volovics wrote: > Ad point 1: who cares about mice, use the keyboard. There are various things that one does with a computer that are just about all graphical (e.g. working with photos). Granted that there are better than mice drawing tools, but it's t

Re: Fedora 15 and selinux on first boot

2011-09-18 Thread Tim
On Sun, 2011-09-18 at 16:37 -0500, jniss...@nissley.org wrote: > Since I have many large video files on drives that where not affected > by the failure selinux took over two hours to get past the first boot Many *large* files shouldn't be a problem. SELinux isn't scanning through them, just looki

Re: DHCP or fixed IPs for servers ????

2011-09-18 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2011-09-19 at 00:28 -0600, linux guy wrote: > I have a number of servers on our local network. I have always set > the IP on my servers manually, ie disabled DHCP and assigned each one > a unique fixed IP. > > Is there a practical way to assign an IP to a server automatically, ie > with

Re: Need KVM switch

2011-09-18 Thread Weather
>Given that all I want to do is scp with the occasional ssh, samba seems > >like overkill. If what you mostly want to do is file transfer, start file the sharing service on the windows side and then use smbclient from linux. You don't really need to share anything as windows loves to share a

BFO not working

2011-09-18 Thread Christopher Svanefalk
Dear all, has anybody had any problems getting past the boot-stage using BFO ( http://boot.fedoraproject.org/index)? Whenever I try, I seem to get stuck at the download of initrd.img. My network card confirms network activity, but it just drags out for a long time (almost had the whole screen cove

What has happened to the Zoneminder website/ info ?

2011-09-18 Thread linux guy
I would like to set up Zoneminder to run some security cameras. When I google various Zoneminder topics, invariably the website www.zoneminder.com gets mentions. That website, and all the documentation on it seems to be no longer in service. Anyone know what is up with that ? Where can one get

Re: Where is the computer network name set and stored ?

2011-09-18 Thread linux guy
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:42 AM, g wrote: > > man hostname > > Thanks -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines

Re: Where is the computer network name set and stored ?

2011-09-18 Thread g
On 09/19/2011 06:29 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 09/18/2011 11:24 PM, linux guy wrote: >> Where is this name stored ? How does one change what its set to ? > > Look in /etc/sysconfig/network and you'll find it. It may also be in > other places, but I don't remember off hand how to set it. man ho

Re: Where is the computer network name set and stored ?

2011-09-18 Thread Joe Zeff
On 09/18/2011 11:24 PM, linux guy wrote: > > Where is this name stored ? How does one change what its set to ? Look in /etc/sysconfig/network and you'll find it. It may also be in other places, but I don't remember off hand how to set it. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To

DHCP or fixed IPs for servers ????

2011-09-18 Thread linux guy
I have a number of servers on our local network. I have always set the IP on my servers manually, ie disabled DHCP and assigned each one a unique fixed IP. Is there a practical way to assign an IP to a server automatically, ie with DHCP and still have other computers find it on the network and ha

Where is the computer network name set and stored ?

2011-09-18 Thread linux guy
When one installs F15 (KDE) via the Live ISO, the second part of the install process asks the user to set the computer network name, ie localhost@localdomain. When one changes localhost to another name, it shows up in the DHCP clients table of my Linksys E4200 router page. I like that. Where is

Re: Need KVM switch

2011-09-18 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 9/18/2011 8:52 PM, Robert Myers wrote: > > You can run an sshd daemon under Cygwin so that a windows box can be > ssh'd into just as if it were a linux box. It was enough of a pain to > set up, though, that since I don't really need it, I don't routinely > even set it up. > > Robert. Robert:

Re: Need KVM switch

2011-09-18 Thread Robert Myers
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > Still can't ssh from Linux to XP/Cygwin or push to XP/Cygwin as I > don't know how to tell my Linux boxes about the dynamic ip of the XP > box, but that would just be gravy as I can use mail to get files from > Linux to XP. > You can ru

Re: Need KVM switch

2011-09-18 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 9/18/2011 4:33 PM, jdow wrote: > > Why not just use samba? Works like a champ here for a mixed bag of > about a dozen computers, occasional Macs, several 'ix, and several > MS boxes XP through 7. Why make it harder on yourself than necessary? > > {^_^} Given that all I want to do is scp with th

Re: Need KVM switch

2011-09-18 Thread Paul Allen Newell
[inline] On 9/18/2011 12:04 PM, Robert Myers wrote: > > I hope your question has been answered. Very much so per prior email > A couple of tricks and traps: > > > > 3. I use sftp to copy both ways, if all I need to do is to copy. Looking into this, though it seems like it may be overkill for my

Re: Need KVM switch

2011-09-18 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 9/18/2011 7:20 AM, Dave Ihnat wrote: > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 02:53:34AM -0700, Paul Allen Newell wrote: >> How can one ssh from a cygwin shell to a Fedora box? > It's a piece of cake--I do it all the time. > Dave: Incredible ... it was totally a piece of cake. Once you told me where there wa

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-18 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Sun, 2011-09-18 at 12:35 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 09/18/2011 12:16 PM, Matthew Saltzman wrote: > > That said, I mostly find GNOME 3 usable on my laptop and acceptable on > > my desktop. Not nearly perfect yet, but usable. > > The first sentence sounds like a remarkably tepid acceptance, bu

Re: Need KVM switch

2011-09-18 Thread Robert Myers
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 7:33 PM, jdow wrote: > Why not just use samba? Works like a champ here for a mixed bag of > about a dozen computers, occasional Macs, several 'ix, and several > MS boxes XP through 7. Why make it harder on yourself than necessary? > Same reason I abandoned KVM. I got tir

Re: Need KVM switch

2011-09-18 Thread jdow
On 2011/09/18 12:04, Robert Myers wrote: > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 5:53 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > >> >> I tried to resist asking about this, but I can't help myself as it would >> solve some problems that I just assumed were not answerable. >> >> But I will only take baby-steps. >> >> How can

Re: How to specify bi-weekly crontab entries by day of the week?

2011-09-18 Thread suvayu ali
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 3:30 PM, Remi Collet wrote: > Le 18/09/2011 12:33, suvayu ali a écrit : >> Hi, >> >> I have been trying to figure this out but so far haven't had any >> success. I want to run jobs weekly, every 4 weeks (i.e. monthly) and >> every 52 weeks (i.e. yearly) on a specific time o

Re: Need KVM switch

2011-09-18 Thread Robert Myers
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 6:31 PM, John Aldrich wrote: > Also, my mouse has a tendency to be "jumpy" under > Linux when switching between windoze and Fedora. Just bumping the mouse can > cause all sorts of mayhem! That was the recurring problem that made me abandon KVM. Usually I could fix it, bu

Re: RaLink 5370 USB Wifi Dongle

2011-09-18 Thread Kevin J. Cummings
On 09/18/2011 06:54 AM, mike cloaked wrote: > Great that it works with the f15 kernel - if it is any help I had > until recently been running an f15 kernel in another f14 laptop for > quite a while with no problems (install all the f15 kernel related > packages pulled as rpms from bodhi or koji eg

Re: "wireless disabled in software"

2011-09-18 Thread Timothy Murphy
Craig White wrote: > seems as if your manual configuration attempts are interfering with the > GUI since at the point where you left-click on wlan0, it should do the > equivalent to a iwlist scan command and list the available wireless > networks (whether AP's or Ad-Hoc) - at least it does for me.

Fedora 15 and selinux on first boot

2011-09-18 Thread jnissley
I am using fedora on a dvr pc and had a hard drive failure that required me to reload the operating system on a new hard drive.  Since I have many large video files on drives that where not affected by the failure selinux took over two hours to get past the first boot.  I must say this is unaccepta

Re: RHEL EPEL 6 garmin lvc-18 ldattach PPS fails

2011-09-18 Thread Skunk Worx
On 09/17/2011 09:10 PM, Skunk Worx wrote: > I am trying to use a germin lvc-18 as an ntpd time source, via the PPS / > NMEA reference drivers, and the pps_core module from the LinuxPPS project. > > On my SL6 x86_64 I can't "ldattach PPS /dev/ttyS0". I get a failure, and > strace shows : > Postin

Re: "wireless disabled in software"

2011-09-18 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2011-09-18 at 13:36 +0200, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Craig White wrote: > > >> > right click on this [NM] icon to get a list of options. > ... > > Sorry, it was a standard (left) click > > System tray => WLAN interface (widget) > > OK, now I'm left clicking on the icon. > I get a window wit

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-18 Thread Joe Zeff
On 09/18/2011 12:16 PM, Matthew Saltzman wrote: > That said, I mostly find GNOME 3 usable on my laptop and acceptable on > my desktop. Not nearly perfect yet, but usable. The first sentence sounds like a remarkably tepid acceptance, but the two together suggest that you find it good enough for y

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-18 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Sun, 2011-09-18 at 18:06 +0200, Alexander Volovics wrote: > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 01:11:16PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > > > > How about the way that you can only trigger a specific and needed action > > > To me there are several > > [...] > > - disabling the middle mouse button by default

Re: Need KVM switch

2011-09-18 Thread Robert Myers
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 5:53 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > > I tried to resist asking about this, but I can't help myself as it would > solve some problems that I just assumed were not answerable. > > But I will only take baby-steps. > > How can one ssh from a cygwin shell to a Fedora box? My XP

Re: Need KVM switch

2011-09-18 Thread Daniel B. Thurman
On 09/18/2011 10:59 AM, John Aldrich wrote: > On Sat September 17 2011, Robert Myers wrote: >> On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 4:38 PM, John Aldrich > wrote: >>> I've got two computers -- a Windows XP machine and a Fedora 15 box. I >>> am sending back the new KVM I bought since it doesn't work at all for

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-18 Thread Alan Cox
On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 10:43:20 -0700 Joe Zeff wrote: > On 09/18/2011 05:26 AM, Alan Cox wrote: > > Are they paying customers, do they have support contracts ? > > Does it matter? If enough of them dislike the new version badly enough > to leave, the project will either die or become a toy used o

Re: How to permanently delete root CAs from mozilla products?

2011-09-18 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2011-09-18 at 05:56 -0400, David wrote: > On 9/17/2011 11:37 PM, Craig White wrote: > > > > I just checked on my Ubuntu 10.04 server. Both a new profile & my > > existing profile have 4 certificates from DigiNotar and all are > > untrusted. > > > > Will search bugzilla soon because the

Re: Need KVM switch

2011-09-18 Thread John Aldrich
On Sat September 17 2011, Robert Myers wrote: > On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 4:38 PM, John Aldrich wrote: > > I've got two computers -- a Windows XP machine and a Fedora 15 box. I > > am sending back the new KVM I bought since it doesn't work at all for > > my Linux box (just sits there and doesn't de

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-18 Thread Joe Zeff
On 09/18/2011 09:38 AM, Alexander Volovics wrote: > In the name of all Gnome 3 afficionados I would suggest changing > the title of this thread to: > 'Gnome 3 is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2'. If you did, you'd probably get a flood of replies saying, in effect, "No it isn't, at least for

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-18 Thread Joe Zeff
On 09/18/2011 05:26 AM, Alan Cox wrote: > Are they paying customers, do they have support contracts ? Does it matter? If enough of them dislike the new version badly enough to leave, the project will either die or become a toy used only by the devs. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproje

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-18 Thread Alan Cox
On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 08:56:54 -0700 Bryce Hardy wrote: > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 5:11 AM, Alan Cox wrote: > > >the fact that moving between apps on different desktops is now a mouse > >marathon (left corner for overview, mouse all the way to the right > >click on desktop, mouse most of the way b

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-18 Thread Alexander Volovics
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 08:41:38AM -0500, Michael Ekstrand wrote: > Polls only go so far. Users often don't know what they want, or think > they want X and really want Y (or would have their actual needs better > met by Y). It's the user experience designer's job to sift through that > and give t

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-18 Thread Alexander Volovics
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 01:11:16PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > > How about the way that you can only trigger a specific and needed action > To me there are several > > - the weird 'mouse corner' behaviour - which is useless for any corner > you choose on a big display, great for touchscreen, t

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-18 Thread Bryce Hardy
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 5:11 AM, Alan Cox wrote: >the fact that moving between apps on different desktops is now a mouse >marathon (left corner for overview, mouse all the way to the right >click on desktop, mouse most of the way back to the left, click on >app). Just try this on a dual monitor d

Re: Need KVM switch

2011-09-18 Thread Dave Ihnat
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 02:53:34AM -0700, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > How can one ssh from a cygwin shell to a Fedora box? It's a piece of cake--I do it all the time. On the same LAN--as your machine are--you can find the Linux box by either using it as your DNS server on the LAN, or putting an en

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-18 Thread Michael Ekstrand
On 09/17/2011 07:56 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 09/17/2011 05:21 PM, Craig White wrote: >> First of all - a taking a poll is fine but it has little to do with a >> project like GNOME since it is the developers of GNOME who get to decide >> what it does and how it does it. > > You're right, as far as

Re: How to specify bi-weekly crontab entries by day of the week?

2011-09-18 Thread Remi Collet
Le 18/09/2011 12:33, suvayu ali a écrit : > Hi, > > I have been trying to figure this out but so far haven't had any > success. I want to run jobs weekly, every 4 weeks (i.e. monthly) and > every 52 weeks (i.e. yearly) on a specific time on a Monday. > > I tried using the 1/ notation > > 00 2 *

Re: How to specify bi-weekly crontab entries by day of the week?

2011-09-18 Thread Frantisek Hanzlik
suvayu ali wrote: > Hi, > > I have been trying to figure this out but so far haven't had any > success. I want to run jobs weekly, every 4 weeks (i.e. monthly) and > every 52 weeks (i.e. yearly) on a specific time on a Monday. > > I tried using the 1/ notation > > 00 2 * * 1/364 /usr/bin/rsnaps

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-18 Thread Alan Cox
> Has anyone taken a poll from the Fedora Community > as to what new directions Gnome-X should be taking > BEFORE making such a paradigm shift? Were this a Are they paying customers, do they have support contracts ? > commercial product, you will hearing from your customers > who otherwise will d

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-18 Thread Alan Cox
> I think GNOME 3 devs and their handlers (you know who you are, do you ?) are > either stupid or evil. > I tend to think that evil presumes rationality. So it remains stupidity. I doubt they are either. There are lot of things built by very smart people for very good reasons that turn out not to

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-18 Thread Alan Cox
On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 13:43:01 -0700 Joe Zeff wrote: > On 09/17/2011 01:28 PM, Alan Cox wrote: > >> I personally think that you GNOME 3 devs are incompetent (I know that there > >> > are some who are not happy about the state of it and perhaps will get > >> > an upper > >> > hand in due time - t

Re: XFCE and Rhythmbox and media keys

2011-09-18 Thread Olav Vitters
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:57:27AM -0500, Steven Stern wrote: > When I was using Gnome 2 and Gnome 3, the media keys on my Logitech > keyboard "just worked" with Rhythmbox. I've actually worn through the > top of the pause/play button. Can only explain how GNOME does it: media key presses are ann

Re: "wireless disabled in software"

2011-09-18 Thread Timothy Murphy
Craig White wrote: >> > right click on this [NM] icon to get a list of options. ... > Sorry, it was a standard (left) click > System tray => WLAN interface (widget) OK, now I'm left clicking on the icon. I get a window with 2 halves, entitled Interfaces and Connections. I'm connected at the momen

Re: How to specify bi-weekly crontab entries by day of the week?

2011-09-18 Thread Frantisek Hanzlik
suvayu ali wrote: > Hi, > > I have been trying to figure this out but so far haven't had any > success. I want to run jobs weekly, every 4 weeks (i.e. monthly) and > every 52 weeks (i.e. yearly) on a specific time on a Monday. > > I tried using the 1/ notation > > 00 2 * * 1/364 /usr/bin/rsnaps

Re: RaLink 5370 USB Wifi Dongle

2011-09-18 Thread mike cloaked
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 11:17 PM, Kevin J. Cummings wrote: > On 09/17/2011 02:30 PM, mike cloaked wrote: >> OK my dongle arrived in the post today - so this evening I thought I >> would try it out - after plugging it in, and firing up f16 it works >> out of the box - hooray! I don't have an earlie

How to specify bi-weekly crontab entries by day of the week?

2011-09-18 Thread suvayu ali
Hi, I have been trying to figure this out but so far haven't had any success. I want to run jobs weekly, every 4 weeks (i.e. monthly) and every 52 weeks (i.e. yearly) on a specific time on a Monday. I tried using the 1/ notation 00 2 * * 1/364 /usr/bin/rsnapshot -c /etc/rsnapshot.conf yearly 20

Re: How to permanently delete root CAs from mozilla products?

2011-09-18 Thread David
On 9/17/2011 11:37 PM, Craig White wrote: > On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 20:29 -0400, David wrote: >> On 9/17/2011 8:06 PM, Craig White wrote: >>> On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 18:58 -0400, David wrote: On 9/17/2011 6:21 PM, Craig White wrote: > On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 16:05 -0400, David wrote: >> On 9

Re: Need KVM switch

2011-09-18 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 9/17/2011 1:56 PM, Robert Myers wrote: > I'm embarrassed to say that I use a Windows machine as my main > machine. Cygwin has reached the point where, with care, you can ssh > into Fedora and use most x-based applications. Robert: I tried to resist asking about this, but I can't help myself as

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-18 Thread Tim
On Sat, 2011-09-17 at 11:18 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > 4: Change and make sure everybody knows exactly why you did it. Goodbye, cruel world... -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the pu