Thoughts of a user

2010-12-25 Thread Roelof 'Ben' Kusters
Hi There, I have some thoughts regarding the future and aim fedora developers should take. I - as a very average normal user - have installed several releases, and am very happy with Fedora 13, and have no doubt Fedora 14 will satisfy my needs as well. Having said that, there are some conce

Re: Merry Christmas

2010-12-25 Thread Mike Chambers
On Sun, 2010-12-26 at 15:48 +1030, Tim wrote: > On Sat, 2010-12-25 at 09:20 -0600, Mike Chambers wrote: > > Not seeing *any* emails coming through on any fedoraproject mailing > > lists. So thought would send this one, because I want to, and a test. > > Me either. I guess we all had better thing

Re: Merry Christmas

2010-12-25 Thread Tim
On Sat, 2010-12-25 at 09:20 -0600, Mike Chambers wrote: > Not seeing *any* emails coming through on any fedoraproject mailing > lists. So thought would send this one, because I want to, and a test. Me either. I guess we all had better things to do... ;-) > Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays everyo

Re: About programing, a general question

2010-12-25 Thread Tim
On Sat, 2010-12-25 at 18:29 -0800, Marvin Kosmal wrote: > With all due respect. > > I disagree.. > > Start at the bottom and work up. > > To learn assembly you need to understand the architecture of the chip. > This understanding of chip design and then execution codes will give > a great ba

Re: how to wake up sleeping monitor using batch script/command

2010-12-25 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Sat, 12/25/10, Ed Greshko wrote: > From: Ed Greshko > Subject: Re: how to wake up sleeping monitor using batch script/command > To: "Community support for Fedora users" > Date: Saturday, December 25, 2010, 7:45 PM > On 12/26/2010 11:24 AM, Antonio > Olivares wrote: > > Will report back

Re: 2 Ethernet cabling question

2010-12-25 Thread Tim
On Sat, 2010-12-25 at 06:44 -0800, S Mathias wrote: > Q1) when cabling, is the color order important? For 100 meg LANs, it's probably not important. What's most important is that a twisted pair of wires connect a data pair, and the right pairs at each end. For 1 gig LANs, it may be. The pairs h

Re: how to wake up sleeping monitor using batch script/command

2010-12-25 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/26/2010 12:06 PM, Antonio Olivares wrote: > Will try to put into script. Do I put it before xset dpms force on; command > or after? in case it is important. needs to go before all other display related commands as it sets the environment variable needed by all the commands related to the

Re: 2 Ethernet cabling question

2010-12-25 Thread Tim
On Sat, 2010-12-25 at 12:51 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: > Part of the trouble-shooting was making sure there weren't any cabling > issues, so the client brought out an electrician. Not only weren't > the colors on the cable standard, they were different at each end! > Our only guess was that there was

Re: how to wake up sleeping monitor using batch script/command

2010-12-25 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Sat, 12/25/10, Ed Greshko wrote: > From: Ed Greshko > Subject: Re: how to wake up sleeping monitor using batch script/command > To: "Community support for Fedora users" > Date: Saturday, December 25, 2010, 7:45 PM > On 12/26/2010 11:24 AM, Antonio > Olivares wrote: > > Will report back

Re: how to wake up sleeping monitor using batch script/command

2010-12-25 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/26/2010 11:24 AM, Antonio Olivares wrote: > Will report back if I can get it to work, otherwise I will have to get Ed's > solution. Another FYI If you run this from a cron job you'll need to add "export DISPLAY=:0". -- QOTD: "She's about as smart as bait." 葛斯克 愛德華 / 台北市八德路四段 signat

Re: how to wake up sleeping monitor using batch script/command

2010-12-25 Thread James McKenzie
On 12/25/10 8:24 PM, Antonio Olivares wrote: > > --- On Sat, 12/25/10, Ed Greshko wrote: > >> From: Ed Greshko >> Subject: Re: how to wake up sleeping monitor using batch script/command >> To: "Community support for Fedora users" >> Date: Saturday, December 25, 2010, 6:05 PM >> On 12/26/2010 10:00

Re: how to wake up sleeping monitor using batch script/command

2010-12-25 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/26/2010 11:24 AM, Antonio Olivares wrote: > Will report back if I can get it to work, otherwise I will have to get Ed's > solution. I did finally fire up my F14 system and verified that xdotool is available with F14. -- The truth is what is; what should be is a dirty lie. -- Lenny Bruce 葛斯

Re: how to wake up sleeping monitor using batch script/command

2010-12-25 Thread James McKenzie
On 12/25/10 7:35 PM, JB wrote: > James McKenzie earthlink.net> writes: > >> ... >> You know I say "Doc it hurts when I do this." >> My doctor says "Don't do that." >> >> It looks like the redirects are causing the command to not work >> properly, so don't use them. >> >> James McKenzie >> > Now t

Re: how to wake up sleeping monitor using batch script/command

2010-12-25 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Sat, 12/25/10, Ed Greshko wrote: > From: Ed Greshko > Subject: Re: how to wake up sleeping monitor using batch script/command > To: "Community support for Fedora users" > Date: Saturday, December 25, 2010, 6:05 PM > On 12/26/2010 10:00 AM, JB wrote: > > Some observations when done on a

Re: how to wake up sleeping monitor using batch script/command

2010-12-25 Thread JB
James McKenzie earthlink.net> writes: > ... > You know I say "Doc it hurts when I do this." > My doctor says "Don't do that." > > It looks like the redirects are causing the command to not work > properly, so don't use them. > > James McKenzie > Now the hard part may be to send Antonio to t

Re: About programing, a general question

2010-12-25 Thread Marvin Kosmal
On 12/24/10, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > On Wednesday 22 December 2010 17:07:46 David Liguori wrote: >> I'm surprised no one has suggested this so far as I've read so I will, >> but if one is really interested in learning about how the hardware works >> the most obvious place to start is "assembly" o

Re: how to wake up sleeping monitor using batch script/command

2010-12-25 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/26/2010 10:12 AM, JB wrote: > There is a possibility that BIOS / monitor / APM settings make a difference. Which would not be a problem with xdotool and which is why I feel that would be the preferred "universal" solution. -- The only certainty is that nothing is certain. -- Pliny the Elde

Re: how to wake up sleeping monitor using batch script/command

2010-12-25 Thread JB
Ed Greshko greshko.com> writes: > >>> > Neither of these incantations will turn my screen on > > xset dpms force off ; sleep 10 ; xdotool mousemove_relative 1 1 > > works fine... > There is a possibility that BIOS / monitor / APM settings make a difference. JB -- users mailing list u

Re: how to wake up sleeping monitor using batch script/command

2010-12-25 Thread James McKenzie
On 12/25/10 7:00 PM, JB wrote: > Antonio Olivares yahoo.com> writes: > >> ... >> I tried adding a command to wake up the monitor like >> 48 04 * * 1-5 sleep 2; xset dpms force on> /dev/null 2&>1 >> ... > Some observations when done on a command line. > - the screen does not come up when >$ x

Re: how to wake up sleeping monitor using batch script/command

2010-12-25 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/26/2010 10:00 AM, JB wrote: > Some observations when done on a command line. > - the screen does not come up when > $ xset dpms force off ; sleep 10 ; xset dpms force on > /dev/null 2&>1 > - the screen DOES come up after 10s when > $ xset dpms force off ; sleep 10 ; xset dpms force on N

Re: how to wake up sleeping monitor using batch script/command

2010-12-25 Thread JB
Antonio Olivares yahoo.com> writes: > ... > I tried adding a command to wake up the monitor like > 48 04 * * 1-5 sleep 2; xset dpms force on > /dev/null 2&>1 > ... Some observations when done on a command line. - the screen does not come up when $ xset dpms force off ; sleep 10 ; xset dpms fo

Re: bluetooth mouse suddenly stopped working

2010-12-25 Thread Darr
On Saturday, 25 December, 2010 @10:28 zulu, François Patte scribed: > Bonjour, > > I have a logitech V470 bluetooth mouse which did work fine up to > day > > This morning, it no more works! Cells are OK. > > I tried hctool scan and it does not see the mouse, except if I press a > small button

Re: how to wake up sleeping monitor using batch script/command

2010-12-25 Thread JB
Ed Greshko greshko.com> writes: > ... > xset dpms force off ; sleep 20 ; xrandr --output ... --auto > > fails to turn on my screen. When you test it in your environment, it works? > On my notebook it works, but it takes 1 min plus. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: how to wake up sleeping monitor using batch script/command

2010-12-25 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Sat, 12/25/10, Ed Greshko wrote: > From: Ed Greshko > Subject: Re: how to wake up sleeping monitor using batch script/command > To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org > Date: Saturday, December 25, 2010, 4:34 PM > On 12/26/2010 08:24 AM, JB wrote: > > > > Would that do the trick ? > > > > ma

Re: how to wake up sleeping monitor using batch script/command

2010-12-25 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/26/2010 08:24 AM, JB wrote: > > Would that do the trick ? > > man xrandr > Per-output options > > xrandr --output ... --auto > FWIW xset dpms force off ; sleep 20 ; xrandr --output ... --auto fails to turn on my screen. When you test it in your environment, it works? -- We are cur

Re: how to wake up sleeping monitor using batch script/command

2010-12-25 Thread JB
Antonio Olivares yahoo.com> writes: > ... Would that do the trick ? man xrandr Per-output options xrandr --output ... --auto JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelin

Re: how to wake up sleeping monitor using batch script/command

2010-12-25 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/26/2010 06:37 AM, Antonio Olivares wrote: > I have a Flat Panel Monitor with built in speakers. If the monitor is on(not > sleeping), the speakers work. When the Monitor goes to sleep, the speakers > no longer work :(, I have a cron job that plays music in the morning, but > since the mo

how to wake up sleeping monitor using batch script/command

2010-12-25 Thread Antonio Olivares
Dear folks, I have a Flat Panel Monitor with built in speakers. If the monitor is on(not sleeping), the speakers work. When the Monitor goes to sleep, the speakers no longer work :(, I have a cron job that plays music in the morning, but since the monitor is sleeping the music does not play :

Re: 2 Ethernet cabling question

2010-12-25 Thread Mikkel
On 12/25/2010 02:51 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 12/25/2010 12:32 PM, Mikkel wrote: >> If you look at the cable, you will see that the wires are twisted in >> pairs. White-orange with orange, white-blue with blue, etc. For >> noise cancellation, it is important that you use pairs for each data >> path.

Re: install many postgresql versions on same fedora

2010-12-25 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 14:33:48 +, mike lan wrote: > Hello > is there a way to install many versions of postgresql server on a same > fedora 13 ? The official rpms aren't likely to do that any time soon. I think you can get postgres to do that if you build it yourself. See the following r

Re: 2 Ethernet cabling question

2010-12-25 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/25/2010 12:32 PM, Mikkel wrote: > If you look at the cable, you will see that the wires are twisted in > pairs. White-orange with orange, white-blue with blue, etc. For > noise cancellation, it is important that you use pairs for each data > path. On a short cable, you can get away with out d

Re: 2 Ethernet cabling question

2010-12-25 Thread Mikkel
On 12/25/2010 08:44 AM, S Mathias wrote: > Two questions that was not always clear for me [sorry for posting to this > list :\]: > > ## > > Q1) when cabling, is the color order important? like: > > strai

Re: Boot usb live image, even if bios doesn't support it?

2010-12-25 Thread mike cloaked
On Sat, Dec 25, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Clemens Eisserer wrote: > Hi, > > I have a quite old laptop (2003) with a crappy bios, which doesn't > allow booting from USB and the laptop's dvd drive is broken. > > Is there any way to write some bootloader-code on the HDD, which then > loads the live-cd from US

Re: Aria2 in our update/install process?

2010-12-25 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Fri, 24 Dec 2010 09:16:39 +0100 Zoltan Hoppar wrote: > Hi, > > I have red an very interesting article at Matt Parnell > (http://www.mattparnell.com) about how can be have faster downloads - > not just the updates for the package manager, and I really like it. > I'm sure that this artifact cou

Re: 2 Ethernet cabling question

2010-12-25 Thread ka1ifq
Try a google search! http://www.google.com/images?q=network+cable+pinout&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en- US:official&client=firefox- a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=tUMWTbanHoKKlwfImfnZCw&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=2&ved=0CCwQsAQwAQ&biw=1280&bih=804 > Two questions that was not alw

Re: Boot usb live image, even if bios doesn't support it?

2010-12-25 Thread Yorvyk
On Sat, 25 Dec 2010 16:40:17 +0100 Clemens Eisserer wrote: > Hi, > > I have a quite old laptop (2003) with a crappy bios, which doesn't > allow booting from USB and the laptop's dvd drive is broken. > > Is there any way to write some bootloader-code on the HDD, which then > loads the live-cd fr

Re: Merry Christmas

2010-12-25 Thread Jason Viloria
Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays everyone and be safe in your travels if your going into/from bad weather. -- Merry Christmas to everyone, specially those that toils away to bring Fedora to what it is! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription option

Re: [OT] Just wanted to share... (Calyphrox 4.0)

2010-12-25 Thread Manuel Escudero
2010/12/23 Frank Cox > On Thu, 23 Dec 2010 11:41:53 -0600 > Manuel Escudero wrote: > > > in a few hours the app will start working as it should... > > Unfortunately, this means that your application will never achieve a > significant user base, regardless of how good it may be. > > -- > MELVILLE

upg fedora13->14 via preupgrade went terribly wrong

2010-12-25 Thread Donald Russell
Well, I've really buggered things up... I ran preupgrade on my Fedora 13 system with the goal of upgrading to Fedora 14. Fairly early on in the process I was warned my /boot partition was low on space but it was OK if I had a wired connection... OK... continue. On reboot, a dialog popped up about

Boot usb live image, even if bios doesn't support it?

2010-12-25 Thread Clemens Eisserer
Hi, I have a quite old laptop (2003) with a crappy bios, which doesn't allow booting from USB and the laptop's dvd drive is broken. Is there any way to write some bootloader-code on the HDD, which then loads the live-cd from USB? Thank you in advance, Clemens -- users mailing list users@lists.f

multimedia player with proxy?

2010-12-25 Thread Adel ESSAFI
Hello, I want to ask if you have eny experience with a media player (mplayer, vlc .) and proxy. I do not succeed to listen to my radio with proxy. I have tried with mplayer vlc and xine. On windows, it is possible, so I don't think it is a proxy problem but softwere problem. thanks for any

Re: smartctl reports bad sectors, badblocks does not find any

2010-12-25 Thread Juan R. de Silva
On Fri, 24 Dec 2010 05:34:33 +, JB wrote: > Juan R. de Silva gmail.com> writes: > >> ... > > Do you see the same SMART errors under your other distros ? Yes, the same errors under all of them. I've tried it under systemrescuecd - same results. > Suggestions: > 1. see if BIOS has harddi

Re: Evolution problem

2010-12-25 Thread Rod McCown
-- Rod McCown Unix System Administrator Fishermen Chapter Christian Motorcyclist Association "Jesus is the Reason for the Season. Merry Christmas to all." On Thu, 2010-12-23 at 22:10 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Thu, 2010-12-23 at 19:35 -0600, Rod McCown wrote: > > Without the .evolu

install many postgresql versions on same fedora

2010-12-25 Thread mike lan
Hello is there a way to install many versions of postgresql server on a same fedora 13 ? thanks -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Maili

Re: smartctl reports bad sectors, badblocks does not find any

2010-12-25 Thread Ian Chapman
On 24/12/10 11:46, Juan R. de Silva wrote: > >> I haven't used badblocks, but suspect that the hard disk drive >> electronics is clever enough to hide damage and relocate bad sectors. >> The S.M.A.R.T. electronics will still know they are there, though. > > OK. This might be the answer to a questio

Re: Evolution problem

2010-12-25 Thread Rod McCown
Removing the ~/.evolution/mail/local/folders.db seems to have done it. The "Trash" folder is now empty -- Rod McCown Unix System Administrator Fishermen Chapter Christian Motorcyclist Association "Jesus is the Reason for the Season. Merry Christmas to all." On Fri, 2010-12-24 at 09:11 -0600, Ro

bluetooth mouse suddenly stopped working

2010-12-25 Thread François Patte
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bonjour, I have a logitech V470 bluetooth mouse which did work fine up to day This morning, it no more works! Cells are OK. I tried hctool scan and it does not see the mouse, except if I press a small button under the mouse on wich "connect" is

Aria2 in our update/install process?

2010-12-25 Thread Zoltan Hoppar
Hi, I have red an very interesting article at Matt Parnell (http://www.mattparnell.com) about how can be have faster downloads - not just the updates for the package manager, and I really like it. I'm sure that this artifact could be very useful where speed is a must - especially at preupgrade. We

Re: Kororaa is back, as Fedora Remix (KDE)

2010-12-25 Thread Chris Smart
On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Chris Smart wrote: > Some of you might remember Kororaa from back in the day. Well after > switching to Fedora a year and a half or so ago (and loving it), I've > re-created Kororaa as a KDE Fedora Remix (inspired by Omega, so thanks > Rahul). I've just released an

Re: both nics down after F14 kernel update

2010-12-25 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Fri, 12/24/10, Dave Stevens wrote: > > Kevin, Kevin and Antonio, > > Thanks for your suggestions. I have booted in turn from > each of my 2.6.35 kernels, .6, .9 and .10 with no change. > For unknown reasons I am now able to bring up the port with > the cable connnection to my router, b

Re: [Fedora] Re: kde slow to start after a crash

2010-12-25 Thread James McKenzie
On 12/9/10 3:22 PM, Walter Cazzola wrote: > On Thu, 9 Dec 2010, Rex Dieter wrote: > >> If you have desktop effects enabled, try disabling them or try to login >> using session "kde (failsafe)". If that helps, it's very likely a video >> driver problem, or at least an incompatibility with one of kw

2 Ethernet cabling question

2010-12-25 Thread S Mathias
Two questions that was not always clear for me [sorry for posting to this list :\]: ## Q1) when cabling, is the color order important? like: straight cabling: A side: white-orange, orange, white-green, b

Merry Christmas

2010-12-25 Thread Mike Chambers
Not seeing *any* emails coming through on any fedoraproject mailing lists. So thought would send this one, because I want to, and a test. Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays everyone and be safe in your travels if your going into/from bad weather. -- Mike Chambers Madisonville, KY "The best town on

multimedia player with proxy?

2010-12-25 Thread Adel ESSAFI
Hello, I want to ask if you have eny experience with a media player (mplayer, vlc .) and proxy. I do not succeed to listen to my radio with proxy. I have tried with mplayer vlc and xine. On windows, it is possible, so I don't think it is a proxy problem but softwere problem. thanks for any

Re: Fedora 14, Wine 1.3.8, Corel WordPerfect Office 12, now a permanent stain

2010-12-25 Thread James McKenzie
On 12/10/10 7:31 AM, Joachim Backes wrote: > On 12/10/2010 03:08 PM, James Mckenzie wrote: >> Joachim Backes wrote: >>> Sent: Dec 9, 2010 11:38 PM >>> To: Community support for Fedora users >>> Subject: Re: Fedora 14, Wine 1.3.8, Corel WordPerfect Office 12,now a >>> permanent stain >>> >>> O

Re: quirk in F14 evolution

2010-12-25 Thread 夜神 岩男
--- Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Thu, 2010-12-23 at 08:55 -0600, Aaron Konstam > wrote: > > > And on that note, is trash behaving that way for > you as > > > well? > > No. On my machines Trash has no number next to its > name. > > Same here. I misspoke in my earlier reply (I just > meant to

Re: smartctl reports bad sectors, badblocks does not find any

2010-12-25 Thread James McKenzie
On 12/23/10 10:34 PM, JB wrote: > Juan R. de Silva gmail.com> writes: > >> ... > Do you see the same SMART errors under your other distros ? > > Suggestions: > 1. see if BIOS has harddisk self-test (read; read-write) > 2. check your hd manufacturer's web site for diagnostics/repair utility > 3. $

Re: both nics down after F14 kernel update

2010-12-25 Thread Dave Stevens
Quoting Antonio Olivares : > Kevin, Kevin and Antonio, Thanks for your suggestions. I have booted in turn from each of my 2.6.35 kernels, .6, .9 and .10 with no change. For unknown reasons I am now able to bring up the port with the cable connnection to my router, but can not get out from

Re: Migrating DVD ISO image to USB - SOLUTION

2010-12-25 Thread Robert G. (Doc) Savage
On Tue, 2010-12-21 at 23:21 -0600, inode0 wrote: > Ok, I downloaded Fedora-14-Live-multi.iso and gave it a try. We can > drop what I had as the first step. > > We need to partition the usb stick. I used ext2 (I expect ext3 is fine > too) with just one partition. I used tune2fs with -c 0 and -i 0 t