Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 2:18 AM, Cameron Simpson wrote: > On 05Jul2010 20:02, Felipe Contreras wrote: > | On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Tim wrote: > | > On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 14:57 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: > | >> In order to do that I have to subscribe, which takes more than a few > | >>

Re: no sound on F11, F12 and now F13 but sound on Omega 12 live??? wtf??

2010-07-05 Thread Rick Sewill
On 07/05/2010 10:23 PM, Rick Sewill wrote: > On 07/05/2010 09:26 PM, Dave Stevens wrote: >> Quoting JD : > >>> Can you post output of lspci? >> >> sure, here: >> >> 00:00.0 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation MCP55 Memory Controller (rev a2) >> 00:01.0 ISA bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP55 LPC Bridge (r

Re: F13: Delay in screen refresh

2010-07-05 Thread Marco Guazzone
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Marco Guazzone wrote: > On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Marco Guazzone [cut] > The problem appears also under GNOME. > I've tried with xterm, ViM, and OpenOffice. > For instance, with oowriter the "latency" problem happens during > tooltip drawing (e.g., go to

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread JD
On 07/05/2010 11:07 PM, Tom H wrote: > On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Thomas Taylor wrote: >> On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 13:24:08 -0400 >> Tom H wrote: >> This way when a non-subscriber posts something, he doesn't have to add the "Please CC me as I'm not in the mailing list"; it will happen

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Thomas Taylor wrote: > On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 13:24:08 -0400 > Tom H wrote: > >> > This way when a non-subscriber posts something, he doesn't have to add >> > the "Please CC me as I'm not in the mailing list"; it will happen >> > automatically. >> >> I couldn't disagre

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Mon, Jul 05, 2010 at 15:29:44 -0400, >  Tom H wrote: >> >> It is much less problematic for "reply" to reply to the list, >> especially if changing that behavior is solely meant to help those who >> don't want to subscribe to it... > > T

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 1:51 AM, Felipe Contreras wrote: > On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:17 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: >>  What about allowing subscribers of f...@lists.f.o to be allowed to post >> to b...@lists.f.o. > > That would help only if Reply-To wasn't munged. > > Otherwise when somebody repli

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Tom H wrote: > On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Felipe Contreras > wrote: >> Also, what happens if I choose to stay subscribed, but decide to turn >> mail delivery off? Well, I can send mails, but I will not get the >> replies. >> >> So no, the drawbacks of Reply-T

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:17 PM, Genes MailLists wrote: >  What about allowing subscribers of f...@lists.f.o to be allowed to post > to b...@lists.f.o. That would help only if Reply-To wasn't munged. Otherwise when somebody replies from b...@lists.f.o the reply would only go to that ml, so the n

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > You certainly would have had your answer by now.  I think you've now > wasted time/effort on an extremely simple irritation (to you) that isn't > going to change. This is not about my problem; it's about other people not having to go through th

Re: Help me troubleshoot this problem

2010-07-05 Thread JD
On 07/05/2010 09:04 PM, JD wrote: > On 07/05/2010 08:23 PM, Kam Leo wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:08 PM, JD wrote: >>> On 07/05/2010 07:28 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: JDwrote: > On 07/05/2010 06:44 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: >> Rick Sewill

flash-plugin problem

2010-07-05 Thread JD
firefox-3.6.4-1.fc13.i686 flash-plugin-10.1.53.64-release.i386 flash plugin keeps crashing within firefox. There is no update to this version. Anyone else seeing flash-plugin crashing within firefox? What happens is in the video window, a sad square peg is displayed and the text The Adobe flas

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Tim
Felipe Contreras: >>> Public mailing lists should receive mail from *anybody*; if the poster >>> is not subscribed, then the message should go through moderation. This >>> is the truly open way. Tim: >> No thanks. If you want groups full of spam, there's usenet for that. Felipe Contreras: > Ther

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread JD
On 07/05/2010 09:24 PM, Tim wrote: > Todd Zullinger: >>> Prior to today the list was set to discard posts from non-members. >>> This setting was made before any of the current list admins were >>> present AFAIK. I believe that sending a rejection is the more >>> courteous setting, and we have ch

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Tim
Todd Zullinger: >> Prior to today the list was set to discard posts from non-members. >> This setting was made before any of the current list admins were >> present AFAIK. I believe that sending a rejection is the more >> courteous setting, and we have changed this now. Andre Robatino: > Won't th

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 22:54 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: > I don't think the downside of having the alias from the old list > outweighs the benefits. And, we may be able to mitigate the downside > with some smarts on the lists.fedoraproject.org side as well. It's > just not been enough of a probl

Re: Help me troubleshoot this problem

2010-07-05 Thread JD
On 07/05/2010 08:23 PM, Kam Leo wrote: > On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:08 PM, JD wrote: >> On 07/05/2010 07:28 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: >>> JDwrote: On 07/05/2010 06:44 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: > Rick Sewill wrote: >> On 07/05/2010 06:15 PM, aw

Re: Help me troubleshoot this problem

2010-07-05 Thread Kam Leo
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:08 PM, JD wrote: >  On 07/05/2010 07:28 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: >> JD  wrote: >>>    On 07/05/2010 06:44 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: Rick Sewill   wrote: > On 07/05/2010 06:15 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: >> Geoffrey Leac

Re: no sound on F11, F12 and now F13 but sound on Omega 12 live??? wtf??

2010-07-05 Thread Rick Sewill
On 07/05/2010 09:26 PM, Dave Stevens wrote: > Quoting JD : >> Can you post output of lspci? > > sure, here: > > 00:00.0 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation MCP55 Memory Controller (rev a2) > 00:01.0 ISA bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP55 LPC Bridge (rev a3) > 00:01.1 SMBus: nVidia Corporation MCP55 SMB

Re: Help me troubleshoot this problem

2010-07-05 Thread JD
On 07/05/2010 07:28 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: > JD wrote: >>On 07/05/2010 06:44 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: >>> Rick Sewill wrote: On 07/05/2010 06:15 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: > Geoffrey Leach wrote: >> On 07/05/2010 03:28:20 PM, awro

konsole and print screen

2010-07-05 Thread Gregory P. Ennis
Everyone, Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this question, but I am not getting much of a response from the kde-linux list. The older konsole application allowed the user to print the screen of the konsole window. Since about Fc10 or 11 this feature was retired. Does anyone have any info

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Todd Zullinger
Ed Greshko wrote: > I think the suggestion was more to eliminate it as well as any > redirection since enough time has elapsed since the move to > fedoraproject.org. So, kill the alias as well as it has outlived > its usefulness. I don't think that's likely to happen. At the least, it's not some

Re: Help me troubleshoot this problem

2010-07-05 Thread awrobinson-ml
JD wrote: > On 07/05/2010 06:44 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: > > Rick Sewill wrote: > >> On 07/05/2010 06:15 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: > >>> Geoffrey Leach wrote: > On 07/05/2010 03:28:20 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: > > Geoffrey Leach wrote

Re: no sound on F11, F12 and now F13 but sound on Omega 12 live??? wtf??

2010-07-05 Thread Dave Stevens
Quoting JD : > On 07/05/2010 06:45 PM, Dave Stevens wrote: >> The subject line pretty much says it. It's quite frustrating to be unable to >> get this working. I am, open to suggestions. The same system with the thingy >> plugged into the same little hole(in the back of a Sound Blaster Ensoniq)

Re: Question on /etc/hosts

2010-07-05 Thread Timothy Murphy
Joel Rees wrote: >> Should the entry from the machine in question >> be given under 127.0.0.1 >> or under its IP address on the local LAN? > > I've done both in the past, and both at the same time. Fedora > currently seems to work okay with only one of those specified, I'm > currently putting the

Re: no sound on F11, F12 and now F13 but sound on Omega 12 live??? wtf??

2010-07-05 Thread JD
On 07/05/2010 06:45 PM, Dave Stevens wrote: > The subject line pretty much says it. It's quite frustrating to be unable to > get this working. I am, open to suggestions. The same system with the thingy > plugged into the same little hole(in the back of a Sound Blaster Ensoniq) > makes no sound in

Re: Help me troubleshoot this problem

2010-07-05 Thread JD
On 07/05/2010 06:44 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: > Rick Sewill wrote: >> On 07/05/2010 06:15 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: >>> Geoffrey Leach wrote: On 07/05/2010 03:28:20 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: > Geoffrey Leach wrote: >> On 07/05/2010 01:27:0

Re: Notabug Mail Policy was:Re: Bug in mailing lists

2010-07-05 Thread Thomas Taylor
On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 13:05:54 +0100 Frank Murphy wrote: > On 05/07/10 12:57, Felipe Contreras wrote: > > > Public mailing lists should receive mail from *anybody*; if the poster > > is not subscribed, then the message should go through moderation. This > > is the truly open way. > > > > No thank

Re: Help me troubleshoot this problem

2010-07-05 Thread JD
On 07/05/2010 03:07 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: > JD wrote: >>On 07/05/2010 01:27 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: >>> I am trying to install Fedora on a PC I built. I had Windows XP running on >>> it for more than a year without any apparent problems. I put a new hard >>> dr

no sound on F11, F12 and now F13 but sound on Omega 12 live??? wtf??

2010-07-05 Thread Dave Stevens
The subject line pretty much says it. It's quite frustrating to be unable to get this working. I am, open to suggestions. The same system with the thingy plugged into the same little hole(in the back of a Sound Blaster Ensoniq) makes no sound in the Fedoras but good sound in Omega. Is there som

Re: Help me troubleshoot this problem

2010-07-05 Thread awrobinson-ml
Rick Sewill wrote: > On 07/05/2010 06:15 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: > > > > Geoffrey Leach wrote: > >> On 07/05/2010 03:28:20 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: > >>> > >>> Geoffrey Leach wrote: > On 07/05/2010 01:27:01 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: > >

Re: Help me troubleshoot this problem

2010-07-05 Thread Rick Sewill
On 07/05/2010 06:15 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: > > Geoffrey Leach wrote: >> On 07/05/2010 03:28:20 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: >>> >>> Geoffrey Leach wrote: On 07/05/2010 01:27:01 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: > I am trying to install Fedora on a PC I bui

Re: Help me troubleshoot this problem

2010-07-05 Thread Kam Leo
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 4:15 PM, wrote: > > Geoffrey Leach wrote: >> On 07/05/2010 03:28:20 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: >> > >> > Geoffrey Leach wrote: >> > > On 07/05/2010 01:27:01 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: >> > > > I am trying to install Fedora on a PC I built. I had

Re: Question on /etc/hosts

2010-07-05 Thread Joel Rees
On Jul 4, 2010, at 11:34 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Should the entry from the machine in question > be given under 127.0.0.1 > or under its IP address on the local LAN? Uhm, Yes? I've done both in the past, and both at the same time. Fedora currently seems to work okay with only one of those

TVTime and nouveau ?!?

2010-07-05 Thread William Case
Hi; Just installed F13 with the nouveau driver with the mesa-dri-drivers-experimental. TVTime used to work under F12 and the nvidia driver. Now I have an ugly picture full of interference. The only thing I think has changed is the video driver. Is anyone else having the same, or similar problem

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 05Jul2010 18:25, Felipe Contreras wrote: [...snip...] | > (2) Most posts provoke discussion. If the original poster is not | > subscribed to the list, they will probably get dropped from the | > discussion at some point, and not realize the full benefit of the | > discussion. Also, it's likely

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 05Jul2010 20:02, Felipe Contreras wrote: | On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Tim wrote: | > On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 14:57 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: | >> In order to do that I have to subscribe, which takes more than a few | >> bounces, and that's the problem. | > | > Something wrong with *you

Re: Help me troubleshoot this problem

2010-07-05 Thread awrobinson-ml
Geoffrey Leach wrote: > On 07/05/2010 03:28:20 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: > > > > Geoffrey Leach wrote: > > > On 07/05/2010 01:27:01 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: > > > > I am trying to install Fedora on a PC I built. I had Windows XP > > > > running on it for more than

Re: Help me troubleshoot this problem

2010-07-05 Thread Geoffrey Leach
On 07/05/2010 03:28:20 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: > > Geoffrey Leach wrote: > > On 07/05/2010 01:27:01 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: > > > I am trying to install Fedora on a PC I built. I had Windows XP > > > running on it for more than a year without any apparent problems. >

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/06/2010 06:05 AM, Todd Zullinger wrote: > Genes MailLists wrote: > >> Maybe its time to shut the old list off - will avoid some dup posts >> too! >> > The old list is shut off. There is simply an alias @redhat.com to > us...@lists.fedoraproject.org. > > I think the suggestion was

problem with dual monitors

2010-07-05 Thread Gerhard Magnus
I've just installed FC13 on a box with a nVidia GeForce7300GS graphics card into which I've plugged two monitors. The driver is the one selected by the installation program. I'm using the gnome desktop Here's the problem (which I didn't have with FC11): When I turn on the system only one monitor s

Re: Help me troubleshoot this problem

2010-07-05 Thread awrobinson-ml
Geoffrey Leach wrote: > On 07/05/2010 01:27:01 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: > > I am trying to install Fedora on a PC I built. I had Windows XP > > running on it for more than a year without any apparent problems. I > > put a new hard drive in the box and tried Fedora 13 and now Fedor

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Thomas Taylor
On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 13:24:08 -0400 Tom H wrote: > > This way when a non-subscriber posts something, he doesn't have to add > > the "Please CC me as I'm not in the mailing list"; it will happen > > automatically. > > I couldn't disagree more. > > Posting to the list: If someone wants to benefit

Re: Help me troubleshoot this problem

2010-07-05 Thread awrobinson-ml
JD wrote: > On 07/05/2010 01:27 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: > > I am trying to install Fedora on a PC I built. I had Windows XP running on > > it for more than a year without any apparent problems. I put a new hard > > drive in the box and tried Fedora 13 and now Fedora 12. It se

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Todd Zullinger
Genes MailLists wrote: > Maybe its time to shut the old list off - will avoid some dup posts > too! The old list is shut off. There is simply an alias @redhat.com to us...@lists.fedoraproject.org. -- ToddOpenPGP -> KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Genes MailLists
On 07/05/2010 05:39 PM, Todd Zullinger wrote: o times the ml) > > This comes from some folks sending mail to the old > fedora-l...@redhat.com address. I've not looked closely to see > whether we can fix that up. It would likely take a little work at the > system level on the mailman server and p

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Todd Zullinger
Felipe Contreras wrote: > Right, but I wonder if I send a mail to all the *-owner lists. Maybe > the Reply-To would be munged and the threads will diverge. The *-owner addresses are simply aliases. They are not mailing lists themselves. > I think it's much safer just to grep for all the admins a

Re: Help me troubleshoot this problem

2010-07-05 Thread Geoffrey Leach
On 07/05/2010 01:27:01 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: > I am trying to install Fedora on a PC I built. I had Windows XP > running on it for more than a year without any apparent problems. I > put a new hard drive in the box and tried Fedora 13 and now Fedora > 12. [snip] Andrew, you have not

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Jul 05, 2010 at 20:44:59 +, Andre Robatino wrote: > Todd Zullinger pobox.com> writes: > > > Prior to today the list was set to discard posts from non-members. > > This setting was made before any of the current list admins were > > present AFAIK. I believe that sending a rejectio

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Jul 05, 2010 at 14:57:33 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: > > Public mailing lists should receive mail from *anybody*; if the poster > is not subscribed, then the message should go through moderation. This > is the truly open way. There are costs in doing that. Either in increased spam o

Re: Help me troubleshoot this problem

2010-07-05 Thread JD
On 07/05/2010 01:27 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: > I am trying to install Fedora on a PC I built. I had Windows XP running on it > for more than a year without any apparent problems. I put a new hard drive in > the box and tried Fedora 13 and now Fedora 12. It seems to freeze at random >

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Andre Robatino
Todd Zullinger pobox.com> writes: > Prior to today the list was set to discard posts from non-members. > This setting was made before any of the current list admins were > present AFAIK. I believe that sending a rejection is the more > courteous setting, and we have changed this now. Won't thi

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Jul 05, 2010 at 15:29:44 -0400, Tom H wrote: > > It is much less problematic for "reply" to reply to the list, > especially if changing that behavior is solely meant to help those who > don't want to subscribe to it... Typically accidentally sending a message intended for a single pers

Re: hp-setup and samba printing to a Windows 7 machine

2010-07-05 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Wed, 2010-06-30 at 09:53 +0100, Tim Waugh wrote: > On Mon, 2010-06-28 at 13:24 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > F13 has hp 1020 as a device choice. The printed file appears in the > > Windows 7 printer queue but no printing occurs. Instead I get the > > following error: > > Printer 'HPLaserJ' :

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote: > On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Tom H wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Felipe Contreras >> wrote: >>> The problem is not in the system. >> >> The sender has to realise that he/she has sent a private email! LOL > > Yeah, so? It's

Help me troubleshoot this problem

2010-07-05 Thread awrobinson-ml
I am trying to install Fedora on a PC I built. I had Windows XP running on it for more than a year without any apparent problems. I put a new hard drive in the box and tried Fedora 13 and now Fedora 12. It seems to freeze at random or panic. I suspect hardware or a driver. I've been pulling card

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/06/2010 01:22 AM, Felipe Contreras wrote: > On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > >> On 07/05/2010 07:57 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> >>> I took a considerable amount of time writing that email, it's not nice >>> for non-subscriber mails to just be dropped like that.

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Genes MailLists
What about allowing subscribers of f...@lists.f.o to be allowed to post to b...@lists.f.o. The benefit of registration is the same - and it would allow an occasional cross post without subscribing ? gene/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscri

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Greg Woods
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 21:24 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: > > So you are saying that it's not proven that people that do only one > post can benefit the community? No, I'm saying that it's not proven that EVERY person that does only one post benefits the community. Not the same thing at all.

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Todd Zullinger wrote: > Felipe Contreras wrote: >>> On the sign up page for the list: >>> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users >>> >>> near the bottom: >>> users  list run by... >> >> That's only for the 'users' mailing list. I guess I would have

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Tom H wrote: > On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Felipe Contreras > wrote: >> The problem is not in the system. > > The sender has to realise that he/she has sent a private email! LOL Yeah, so? It's a user mistake, it's up to the user how to deal with it. > It is

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote: > On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Tom H wrote: >> No. I am saying that if you are not willing to subscribe, you are not, >> AFAIC, part of the community. > > So if somebody is participating in IRC, filing and solving bugs, > maintaining pack

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Tom H wrote: > No. I am saying that if you are not willing to subscribe, you are not, > AFAIC, part of the community. So if somebody is participating in IRC, filing and solving bugs, maintaining packages, testing packages... but doesn't subscribe to each Fedora mai

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Todd Zullinger
Felipe Contreras wrote: >> On the sign up page for the list: >> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users >> >> near the bottom: >> users  list run by... > > That's only for the 'users' mailing list. I guess I would have to > the same for all the mailing lists and gather all the recipi

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote: > On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Tom H wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Felipe Contreras >> wrote: >>> Is it so much to ask for you to hit "reply to all" instead of "reply" >>> (depending on the case), so that other people can hav

Re: Ext4 errror?

2010-07-05 Thread Bill Davidsen
fedora wrote: > Hi listers > > i got file system errors on a new machine (hw errors should therefore > not be an issue, also smartctl does not indicate any errors), which > holds two disks on SATA controllers. Both disks contain a fully fleged > Fedora 13, so that i can boot from either of them

Testing Sendmail again

2010-07-05 Thread Andy Blanchard
Here we go again... -- Andy The only person to have all his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 10:12 PM, JD wrote: >  On 07/05/2010 11:57 AM, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Alan Cox  wrote: Fact: the most difficult a process is to follow, the less people would follow it >>> Correct - and if that process is weeding odd emails from

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread JD
On 07/05/2010 11:57 AM, Felipe Contreras wrote: > On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Alan Cox wrote: >>> Fact: the most difficult a process is to follow, the less people would >>> follow it >> Correct - and if that process is weeding odd emails from gigabytes of >> off-list spam then they won't re

Re: Fedora 13 live-cd doesn't boot on HP 6930p

2010-07-05 Thread JD
On 07/05/2010 11:04 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: > Brett wrote: >>> I've noticed that if I burn a Fedora (or any other distro) CD at full >>> speed, about 25% of the time I end up with a disk that won't boot. >> I had a lot of trouble burning Fedora 13 DVD from a computer running Ubuntu, >> I tried

Re: repeatable kernel freeze

2010-07-05 Thread Ahmed Abdalla
I've had exactly the same problem on my F13 machine. I never had that problem before, but since I upgraded to F13 my machine just freezes when I scp any big file. I've setuped a rescue kernel and configured kdump but the machine just "freezes" and no rescue is there. My machine is fully updated too

Re: Compiling a kernel problems

2010-07-05 Thread alan
On Mon, 5 Jul 2010, Bill Davidsen wrote: > Alex wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm trying to compile a kernel with aacraid support for a dual Opteron >> 246 box with two 36GB disks on a Tyan S2891, using an initrd and lilo. >> >> There is an older kernel on there that works just fine, so I suspect >> it's so

Re: SATA HDD in an external case over USB - 2 partitions

2010-07-05 Thread JD
On 07/05/2010 10:18 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: > JD wrote: >> On 06/24/2010 05:51 AM, Tim was caught red-handed while writing:: >>> On Thu, 2010-06-24 at 13:11 +0100, Gary Stainburn wrote: >>> [r...@dcomp5 ~]# fdisk /dev/sdb Unable to read /dev/sdb >>> Should it be sdb? Try "fd

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Alan Cox wrote: >> Fact: the most difficult a process is to follow, the less people would >> follow it > > Correct - and if that process is weeding odd emails from gigabytes of > off-list spam then they won't read the list. True, that's why care must be taken to n

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Tom H wrote: > On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Felipe Contreras > wrote: >> Is it so much to ask for you to hit "reply to all" instead of "reply" >> (depending on the case), so that other people can have the benefits of >> non-munged headers? > > On debian-user, hi

Re: Flash videos not playing in Fedora 11 firefox browser

2010-07-05 Thread Bill Davidsen
Patrick Bartek wrote: > --- On Wed, 6/30/10, ranjan sundar wrote: > >> I tried to download flashplayer for linux from adobe website and >> downloaded this zip file. i extracted it and found that it contained >> only 1 file with .so extension (shared object). >> >> [snip] > > My guess--and it's

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 9:12 PM, DJ Delorie wrote: > On 07/05/2010 01:13 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> Fact: the most difficult a process is to follow, the less people would >> follow it > > Fact: if it were too easy, spam would overwhelm everything else, and the > list would be useless. Not tru

Re: Compiling a kernel problems

2010-07-05 Thread Bill Davidsen
Alex wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying to compile a kernel with aacraid support for a dual Opteron > 246 box with two 36GB disks on a Tyan S2891, using an initrd and lilo. > > There is an older kernel on there that works just fine, so I suspect > it's something I'm missing in the kernel config. No matt

Re: HD Home move editor

2010-07-05 Thread Bill Davidsen
Tom Horsley wrote: > On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 14:07:27 -0400 > Bill Davidsen wrote: > >> What is hufyuv? Is that another name for yuv422p? Or another format >> completely? > > Well, I have no idea what yuv422p is, so I couldn't say :-). > > Hufyuv is what I call the result of running mencoder with:

Re: HD Home move editor

2010-07-05 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 14:07:27 -0400 Bill Davidsen wrote: > What is hufyuv? Is that another name for yuv422p? Or another format > completely? Well, I have no idea what yuv422p is, so I couldn't say :-). Hufyuv is what I call the result of running mencoder with: mencoder -ovc lavc -lavcopts fo

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote: > On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Tom H wrote: >> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Felipe Contreras >> wrote: >>> Orthogonal to this is that the mailing lists should not mingle with >>> "Reply-To"; they should leave the To and Cc fields inta

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Greg Woods wrote: > On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 20:13 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> Fact: a community benefits from all kinds of contribution, even from >> one-post people > > That is an opinion, not a fact. So you are saying that it's not proven that people that do

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > On the sign up page for the list: > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > near the bottom: > users  list run by... That's only for the 'users' mailing list. I guess I would have to the same for all the mailing lists and ga

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread DJ Delorie
On 07/05/2010 01:13 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote: > Fact: the most difficult a process is to follow, the less people would follow > it Fact: if it were too easy, spam would overwhelm everything else, and the list would be useless. > Fact: a community benefits from all kinds of contribution, even

Re: HD Home move editor

2010-07-05 Thread Bill Davidsen
Tom Horsley wrote: > On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 21:24:56 -0500 > Richard Shaw wrote: > >> Are that any full video >> editors that handle HD movies correctly? > > If you have an infinite amount of disk space and patience > you can convert pretty much anything to a lossless > hufyuv avi file with mencoder

Re: Fedora 13 live-cd doesn't boot on HP 6930p

2010-07-05 Thread Bill Davidsen
Brett wrote: >> I've noticed that if I burn a Fedora (or any other distro) CD at full >> speed, about 25% of the time I end up with a disk that won't boot. > > I had a lot of trouble burning Fedora 13 DVD from a computer running Ubuntu, > I tried a bunch of times using Brasero, K3B and other sof

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Alan Cox
> Fact: the most difficult a process is to follow, the less people would follow > it Correct - and if that process is weeding odd emails from gigabytes of off-list spam then they won't read the list. Alan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Frank Murphy
On 05/07/10 18:42, Felipe Contreras wrote: > > Is it so much to ask for you to hit "reply to all" instead of "reply" > (depending on the case), so that other people can have the benefits of > non-munged headers? > On the sign up page for the list: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Greg Woods
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 20:13 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: > Fact: a community benefits from all kinds of contribution, even from > one-post people That is an opinion, not a fact. I happen to believe that the nature of the post makes a difference as to whether it is beneficial to the community. A

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Tom H wrote: > On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Felipe Contreras > wrote: >> Orthogonal to this is that the mailing lists should not mingle with >> "Reply-To"; they should leave the To and Cc fields intact, so that the >> MUA can reply to the right addresses. See: >

Re: [OT] rather advanced video editing question

2010-07-05 Thread Bill Davidsen
Petrus de Calguarium wrote: > Suvayu Ali wrote: > >>> On 06/24/2010 10:48 PM, JD wrote: If you do figure out how to use kdenlive to splice 2 streams togeter, please let me know. > > I found kdenlive to be excellent. I selected a VGA NTSC project, as it has > the same 4:3 ratio that my

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Felipe Contreras wrote: > > I don't see any component in bugzilla for mailing lists, so I'm posting here. > > In order to do that I have to subscribe, which takes more than a few > bounces, and that's the problem. > > Public mailing lists should receive mail from *a

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 07/05/2010 07:57 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> I took a considerable amount of time writing that email, it's not nice >> for non-subscriber mails to just be dropped like that. Please, make >> Fedora mailing list friendly to outsiders. > Chec

Re: SATA HDD in an external case over USB - 2 partitions

2010-07-05 Thread Bill Davidsen
JD wrote: > > On 06/24/2010 05:51 AM, Tim was caught red-handed while writing:: >> On Thu, 2010-06-24 at 13:11 +0100, Gary Stainburn wrote: >> >>> [r...@dcomp5 ~]# fdisk /dev/sdb >>> >>> Unable to read /dev/sdb >>> >> Should it be sdb? Try "fdisk -l" to list all the drives it finds. >>

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > Actually there is at least one correctable valid point > floating around here: I just checked, and nowhere on > the web page for the list does it mention that you have > to be subscribed in order to send mail to the list: > > https://admin.fedor

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Greg Woods wrote: > Clearly, these are religious issues. Whether a list should set replies > to go to the list or to the original poster, whether postings from > non-members should be accepted, etc. are debated ad nauseum. You can't > come in here and state your opi

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Tim wrote: > On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 14:57 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> In order to do that I have to subscribe, which takes more than a few >> bounces, and that's the problem. > > Something wrong with *your* mail, then, if there's any bouncing.  If you > don't a

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Frank Murphy
On 05/07/10 17:29, Tom Horsley wrote: > Actually there is at least one correctable valid point > floating around here: I just checked, and nowhere on > the web page for the list does it mention that you have > to be subscribed in order to send mail to the list: > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/m

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 12:29 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > Actually there is at least one correctable valid point > floating around here: I just checked, and nowhere on > the web page for the list does it mention that you have > to be subscribed in order to send mail to the list: > > https://admin.fe

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Tom Horsley
Actually there is at least one correctable valid point floating around here: I just checked, and nowhere on the web page for the list does it mention that you have to be subscribed in order to send mail to the list: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users -- users mailing list user

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