Re: Fwd: Updates next steps

On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 20:11 -0500, charles zeitler wrote: > I propose we look at two things right away: > > 1. Limit the frequency of non-critical updates to once per week in > stable releases This was brought up, here, a few weeks back, and rightly shot down in flames for being a bad thing. If

Re: Fwd: Updates next steps

On Friday 23 April 2010 06:51 PM, Mail Lists wrote: >Enhance packagekit to offer update on scheduling if it doesn't already > do that - or set it to download but not update ... or whatever makes you > happy like using cron. > I think PackageKit already does that. :) >You're treeing up the

Re: Fwd: Updates next steps

Hi: > > 1. Limit the frequency of non-critical updates to once per week in > stable releases Do not create client policy on the server side - it is way to restrictive and wont satisfy the client needs of many. And, not using the full bandwidth is very suboptimal. (Like a 30 minute lawn wate

Re: Updates next steps

On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 20:11:53 -0500 charles zeitler wrote: > Thoughts? What is the best way to accomplish these two things? How about just disabling the stupid applet that so frenetically wants to nag you about updating, and only updating manually when you feel like it? Works for me, and I don't

Fwd: Updates next steps

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. -- Forwarded message -- From: William Jon McCann Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 12:02:47 -0400 Subject: Updates next steps To: Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop Hey folks, We discussed this a bit on IRC yesterday but

Re: New Kernel still will not boot

On Fr, Apr 23, 2010 at 01:25:55 -0700, Michael Miles wrote: > I find that with Nouveau the Video card does not perform properly. > It is still under development. > I found thawhen I get a Nvidia Driver update with new kernel I will > do the update through add/remove software and search nvidia > I t

Re: Firewall activity log -

On 23/04/10 16:16, Dale Dellutri wrote: > > > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Bob Goodwin > wrote: > > >Through F-11 I ran Firestarter, it is not available for F-12 > apparently. > >The attractive thing with firestarter was the log it produced.

Re: Grandtec Key-3000

On Friday, April 23, 2010, birger wrote: > On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 02:54 -0400, Jameson wrote: >> Has anyone ever used a Grandtec Key-3000?  I'm trying to get one set >> up, but have had no luck, and can't find any information out there. >> It's a wireless keyboard and trackball.  I thought it would

Re: New Kernel still will not boot

On 04/23/2010 12:50 PM, George R Goffe wrote: Michael, Thanks for your response. Responses in-line. George... "It's not what you know that hurts you, It's what you know that ain't so." Wil Rogers Message: 6 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 21:37:40 -0700 From: Michael Miles Subject: Re: New Kernel

Re: Firewall activity log -

On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote: > >Through F-11 I ran Firestarter, it is not available for F-12 apparently. > >The attractive thing with firestarter was the log it produced. When >I had a problem with an application I could look at the log and see >what the fire

Re: Home directory files invisible!

On 23 April 2010 12:39, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, suvayu ali said: >> However I failed to find how to see whether any of those bits are set >> for a file. I tried `ls -l ' in /bin, /usr/bin, and /tmp but didn't >> notice anything obvious. I also failed to find any appropriate option

New Kernel still will not boot

Michael, Thanks for your response. Responses in-line. George... "It's not what you know that hurts you, It's what you know that ain't so." Wil Rogers Message: 6 Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 21:37:40 -0700 From: Michael Miles Subject: Re: New Kernel still will not boot To: users@lists.fedoraproject

is there an ieee handler in Linux?

There must be a handler for ieee arithmetic errors under Linux for C and for Fortran, but my search with man and google don't turn up anything. Can someone point me at the correct subroutine names. -- Reg.Clemens r...

Re: Home directory files invisible!

Once upon a time, suvayu ali said: > However I failed to find how to see whether any of those bits are set > for a file. I tried `ls -l ' in /bin, /usr/bin, and /tmp but didn't > notice anything obvious. I also failed to find any appropriate option > for ls to list it either. Am I looking in the w

Re: Home directory files invisible!

Hi, On 23 April 2010 08:52, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Suvayu Ali said: >> I have never properly understood the leading bit in permissions. (the 0 >> in the 0755) Could you point me to some easily understandable resource? > > The leading 3 bits is essentially an add-on to each of the

Re: Home directory files invisible!

Once upon a time, Alan Cox said: > The V7 manual doesn't quite agree with you. The sticky bit simply > indicates that the code segment for the binary should be kept around in > memory/swap (fast storage) not discarded. It might get set on a tiny > number of root apps to tune performance. The only

Re: Firewall activity log -

On 23/04/10 14:32, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 14:10 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote: > >> Through F-11 I ran Firestarter, it is not available for F-12 apparently. >> >> The attractive thing with firestarter was the log it produced. When >> I had a problem with an appl

Re: Firewall activity log -

On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 14:10 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote: > Through F-11 I ran Firestarter, it is not available for F-12 apparently. > > The attractive thing with firestarter was the log it produced. When > I had a problem with an application I could look at the log and see > what the fire

Re: Home directory files invisible!

On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 18:07 +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > The V7 manual doesn't quite agree with you. The sticky bit simply > indicates that the code segment for the binary should be kept around > in memory/swap (fast storage) not discarded. It might get set on a > tiny number of root apps to tune perfo

Firewall activity log -

Through F-11 I ran Firestarter, it is not available for F-12 apparently. The attractive thing with firestarter was the log it produced. When I had a problem with an application I could look at the log and see what the firewall was blocking. How can I do that with the firewall

Re: Breakin attempts

On 04/23/2010 11:41 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 23:08 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > >> [...] >> Sounds like a pithy quotation that should be found by google. But, I >> was unable to unearth that quotation. Do you have a source? >> > Try http://www.google.co.ve/sea

Evolution 2.30.0.1 in F13: Message Reply + No Edit = No Discard Confirmation

All: God bless whomever fixed the bug where an un-edited message reply would prompt you to save/discard work. It was introduced sometime during F11. Not sure what Evolution version. Either GPG/SMIME signing was automatically setting $is_edited=1, or it was simply defaulting to a prom

Re: Fedora 12 Update Breaks X / KDE

On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:16:31 +0100, Chris wrote: > > > On 04/23/2010 05:06 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > >> rpm -V qt > >> prelink: /usr/lib/libQtCore.so.4.6.2: prelinked file was modified > >> S.?../usr/lib/libQtCore.so.4.6.2 > > > > Did you run that as "root"? > > Yes, of course.

Re: Home directory files invisible!

> Actually it meant the "text" segment (code and constant data) was > write-protected during execution, and hence could be shared between > multiple processes executing the same program. In fact that's why it was > called the "sticky" bit -- the text segment could stick in RAM even if > the process

Re: Home directory files invisible!

On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 10:52 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > In old Unix, the sticky bit on an executable changed the way the > kernel paged it into and out of RAM, but I don't believe Linux uses > it. Actually it meant the "text" segment (code and constant data) was write-protected during execution, a

Re: Fedora 12 Update Breaks X / KDE

On 04/23/2010 05:06 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: >> rpm -V qt >> prelink: /usr/lib/libQtCore.so.4.6.2: prelinked file was modified >> S.?../usr/lib/libQtCore.so.4.6.2 > > Did you run that as "root"? Yes, of course. > You could try to yum reinstall the packages to fix them in cas

Re: Fedora 12 Update Breaks X / KDE

On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 15:08:22 +0100, Chris wrote: > >> > Since then I've had problems such as Kate refusing to run, with > >> > > >> > kate: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/kde4/katepart.so: undefined symbol: > >> > _ZN9QGroupBoxC1EP7QWidget > > That belongs to /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4 > > Can you v

Re: Home directory files invisible!

Once upon a time, Suvayu Ali said: > I have never properly understood the leading bit in permissions. (the 0 > in the 0755) Could you point me to some easily understandable resource? The leading 3 bits is essentially an add-on to each of the user, group, and other sections. For user and group,

Re: Home directory files invisible!

Hi Patrick, On Friday 23 April 2010 07:54 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > You need Execute permission for directories to be able to look up files > in them. And Read permission to be able to list them. Typically a home > directory should be 0755. > I have never properly understood the leading bi

Re: Breakin attempts

On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 23:08 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > [...] > Sounds like a pithy quotation that should be found by google. But, I > was unable to unearth that quotation. Do you have a source? Try http://www.google.co.ve/search?q=needham+schroeder+dont+understand poc -- users mailing list u

Re: Breakin attempts

On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 23:08 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > > "If you think your problem can be solved by cryptography, you don't > > understand cryptography and you don't understand your problem." > > > Sounds like a pithy quotation that should be found by google. But, I > was unable to unearth tha

F-12 audio config lost at reboot -

What do I have to do to keep my audio configuration through shut down and reboot? Everyday I have to un-mute microphone, set +20 db switch, adjust levels, etc. I know to do it routinely but there must be a better way? Apparently I don't have the right key w

Re: Breakin attempts

On 04/23/2010 11:00 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 10:09 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > >> On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 09:35:55 -0430 >> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> >> >>> More to the point, there would be widespread panic among banks and >>> online shopping sites, webmail si

Re: Breakin attempts

On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 10:09 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 09:35:55 -0430 > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > More to the point, there would be widespread panic among banks and > > online shopping sites, webmail sites, and anywhere else that relies on a > > public-key based securit

Re: Home directory files invisible!

On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 01:37 -0500, John H wrote: > I've had a strange problem occurring lately - after a reboot my home > folder's contents aren't shown in nautilus or thunar, and ls -a hangs > when ran as a user. ls -a runs correctly and shows all the files when > ran as root. I have checked the f

Re: Breakin attempts

On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 09:35:55 -0430 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > More to the point, there would be widespread panic among banks and > online shopping sites, webmail sites, and anywhere else that relies on a > public-key based security model, which is essentially all of them. Nah, those aren't real

Re: Fedora 12 Update Breaks X / KDE

Hi Michael, On 04/23/2010 01:53 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: > On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 13:23:09 +0100, Chris wrote: > >> > Yesterday I did a normal yum upgrade and it pulled in a few packages >> > (listed below). > The list appears to be unrelated to your problem with "kate". > Unless you've had som

Re: Breakin attempts

On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 23:21 -0700, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: > David Liguori writes: > > Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: > >> The core problem is to prevent someone from guessing users' passwords. > >> You aren't going to achieve real security by hiding this or that > >> attribute. If you don't w

Re: [389-users] about 389 directory updates-testing repository

On 04/23/2010 04:50 AM, Steven Li wrote: > Hi Team > > How can I set the repository for updates-testing? > > When I run > > > > yum upgrade --enablerepo=updates-testing 389-ds 389-ds-base 389-admin > idm-console-framework 389-console 389-ds-console > > got error: “repository not found”. > > I can’

f12 gnome turn off bluetooth command

hi, with F12 the bluetooth applet has a new option: turn (on|off), which is a great thing to have. Considering that many laptop users have a bluetooth device, is there a gconf option or something to have it start turned off to save battery? We can alwasy turn it manually on if we need it. I have

Re: [OT] Help with Perl Script

On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 09:06:45AM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: > I probably wouldn't use something _quite_ this cryptic in production code. Oh, that wouldn't be a problem *IF* you commented the he11 out of it and bracketed the code with "DON'T CHANGE THIS IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND IT" comments. IF tes

Re: Fedora 12 Update Breaks X / KDE

On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 13:23:09 +0100, Chris wrote: > Yesterday I did a normal yum upgrade and it pulled in a few packages > (listed below). The list appears to be unrelated to your problem with "kate". Unless you've had some sort of file system corruption. > Since then I've had problems such as

Wireless camera under Fedora

I have a Linksys WVC54GCA camera running under Fedora-12. This camera can be connected under Ethernet or WiFi. The theory is that you connect it under Ethernet and set it up, and it then runs under WiFi. I find that while it works for one dhcpd lease (or possibly two leases) it seems always to fai

Fedora 12 Update Breaks X / KDE

Yesterday I did a normal yum upgrade and it pulled in a few packages (listed below). Since then I've had problems such as Kate refusing to run, with kate: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/kde4/katepart.so: undefined symbol: _ZN9QGroupBoxC1EP7QWidget Konsole taking several attempts to start up wit

Re: Yum Update

On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 20:28:57 -0400, Henry wrote: > Trying yum update have fc13 beta mixed with fc14? get following message: > > "Error cannot retrieve repository metadata ( repomd.xml ) for repository: > rpmfusion-free. Please verify its path and try again" It asked you to "verify its path and t

Re: lost commands

On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 00:27:07 +0200, Boris wrote: > > > Just out of curiosity, how would one do that without any of the > > package management tools available? Is it with a separate instance of > > rpm/yum that is on the rescue disc? But aren't packages like yum and > > rpm not relocatable? > > >

Re: lost commands

On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 14:44:12 -0700, suvayu wrote: > > > su -c 'yum remove flash-plugin nspluginwrapper.x86_64 \ > > >     nspluginwrapper.i686 alsa-plugins-pulseaudio.i686 \ > > >     libcurl.i686' > > [Btw, are you sure about the above command? If your machine really > > is x86_64, I don't see h

Re: [OT] Deafening silence

Tim: >>> But, I can't see what could possibly be wrong with a filter such as >>> this: >>> >>> reply-to contains users@lists.fedoraproject.org >>> move to folder lists/fedora >>> stop processing & Tim: >> Looking at the log, each filtered message takes at least 3 to 4 seconds >> to go thr

Re: [OT] Help with Perl Script

On 21 April 2010 09:21, Dan Track wrote: > Hi, > > I appreciate that this is off-topic and wholly understand if I don't > get an answer, although one would really appreciate it if I do get an > answer :) > > Basically to improve my perl scripting, I've given myself a challenge > where I would like

Re: Grandtec Key-3000

On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 02:54 -0400, Jameson wrote: > Has anyone ever used a Grandtec Key-3000? I'm trying to get one set > up, but have had no luck, and can't find any information out there. > It's a wireless keyboard and trackball. I thought it would be seen as > just a USB keyboard and mouse, bu

Re: Grandtec Key-3000

On Fri, 2010-04-23 at 02:54 -0400, Jameson wrote: > I thought it would be seen as > just a USB keyboard and mouse, but so far, it doesn't do anything. > Any ideas? What do you see in /var/log/messages when you plug the receiver into your computer? -- MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www