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On Mon, Dec 11, 2023 at 8:08 AM John Lilley
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> Justin,
>
>
>
> Thanks again for your attention to this. I have verified many times now
> that message groups work in our
Justin,
Thanks again for your attention to this. I have verified many times now that
message groups work in our test harness --
When I enable message groups the test succeeds, and when I disable message
groups the test fails.
Your concern about message groups was: “Even in the case of message
Hi,
We're considering using Message Groups to solve update contention within
the consumers.
Consumers do handle contention by rolling back and retrying, which
significantly reduces effective throughput, so the objective is to
eliminate as much contention as possible.
Msg ordering is als
] immediately
> 2. `Consumer 2` starts handling [group: user-2] immediately
>
> Actual behavior:
> 1. `Consumer 1` starts handling [group: user-1] immediately
> 2. `Consumer 2` waits until `Consumer 1` handled about 60 - 65 messages and
> only after that starts handling [group: user-2]
&
sages and
only after that starts handling [group: user-2]
(The only way to achieve expected behavior was to increase the priority of
the message in [group: user-2])
Can be reproduced even with 3 consumers, 3 message groups with 100 messages
in it (in this case `consumer 3` waits until `consumer 2` handled about 60
- 65 messages.
Please advise.
Regards,
Egor
Wanted to ask some specifics about the "Message Groups" feature.
* is the feature incurring an overhead to the broker processing?
* would a large queue depth cause any issues?
* there is a note about 'grouping in memory', does this mean messsages are
somehow re-order
ankie
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>> heuristic to choose when to process the same (e.g. after processing 10
>> high-priority messages, process 1 low-priority message)
>>
>> The use of a heuristic will be important to allow the balance between
>> starving low-priority messages and d
s, such as priority queueing, are limited and not likely
> to
> give you the desired results.
>
> BTW, I may have missed it - why use message groups? Is messaging order
> important?
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Messaging features, such as priority queueing, are limited and not likely to
give you the desired results.
BTW, I may have missed it - why use message groups? Is messaging order
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There are two things that happen with message groups that makes them a poor
match for use with selectors.
First, the default implementation of message groups uses "buckets" of
assignments for groups-to-consumers. This means that multiple groups
actually get assigned to the same consum
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>> Jose María Zaragoza wrote
>> > A question about your code:
>> >
>> > why do you configure prioritizedMessages= true on your broker and also
>> > use consumers with a selector parameter ?
>> > I guess that to use consumers with a selector parameter is for
>> > avoiding to set prioritizedMessages= true
>> >
>> > With prioritizedMessages= true , the broker try to deliver the
>> > messages in order by priority
>> >
>> > It's only curiosity
>> >
>> > Regards
>>
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n your broker and also
> > use consumers with a selector parameter ?
> > I guess that to use consumers with a selector parameter is for
> > avoiding to set prioritizedMessages= true
> >
> > With prioritizedMessages= true , the broker try to deliver the
> > messages in
; messages in order by priority
>
> It's only curiosity
>
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processed,
> regardless of the order they're pushed in, while the messages with priority
> falling into the other side of the selector will not be consumed at all and
> will stay sitting on the queue.
>
> The version of AMQ broker I'm using is 5.10.
>
> So, does this seems to you like a bug or a feature I'm not able to
> understand? All input on the topic is highly welcome and appreciated!
>
> Regards,
> Frankie
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ith the jConsole to the local AMQ broker and indeed
> there are two Consumers for the queue: one with the selector
> "JMSPriority>=4" and one with "JMSPriority<4". After the messages were
> pushed to the queue, the second Consumer shows dispatch, as well as
he second Consumer shows dispatch, as well as dequeue
count of 2, while the first one shows a 0 for both of the values.
My suspicion is that message groups have something to do with it. It seems
as if a Thread #n was dedicated to process the message 1, and then (because
of the same message grou
ing,
> even though not sure why it wouldn't work because it's explicitly set in a
> same way as it is for low priority messages.
>
> Tim
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ge pushed to the queue will be processed,
> regardless of the order they're pushed in, while the messages with priority
> falling into the other side of the selector will not be consumed at all and
> will stay sitting on the queue.
>
> The version of AMQ broker I'm using is 5.10.
>
> So, does this seems to you like a bug or a feature I'm not able to
> understand? All input on the topic is highly welcome and appreciated!
>
> Regards,
> Frankie
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ll stay sitting on the queue.
The version of AMQ broker I'm using is 5.10.
So, does this seems to you like a bug or a feature I'm not able to
understand? All input on the topic is highly welcome and appreciated!
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Hi Marco,
Please see comments inline.
Regards
Martyn
On 08/06/15 20:48, Marco wrote:
Hi all,
first, thanks for the release of v1.0.0 of Artemis!
I'm currently experimenting with the use of message groups to quickly
distribute messages to workers while keeping order on items belo
actory and
hashing UUID to a smaller number of keys.
Faisal
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Hi all,
first, thanks for the release of v1.0.0 of Artemis!
I'm currently experimenting with the use of message groups to quickly
distribute messages to workers while keeping order on items belonging
together. In order to avoid artificial grouping/sharding it would be perfect
for my use ca
never
used message groups, you'll want to check that theory.
You'd also need to confirm that your consumers' business logic will
properly handle the case where a new consumer picks up processing a message
group after one of these closes.
On Jan 30, 2015 4:44 PM, "sburczymu
Hello,
I'm looking for a message pattern - something like message groups. I would
like to have one or more consumers/workers that process messages from a
queue, each message is tied with specific device and needs to be processed
in the order received on a per-device context, so at one time
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modify.
By the way, is a network of brokers in use? Things get more complicated in
that case.
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10:49, "tbenkooe" wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is the ordering of the messages in a message groups guaranteed when broker
> redelivery is configured? And vice versa, does broker delivery works if
> messages are grouped?
>
> I couldn't find anything in the documentation ab
Hi,
Is the ordering of the messages in a message groups guaranteed when broker
redelivery is configured? And vice versa, does broker delivery works if
messages are grouped?
I couldn't find anything in the documentation about the interaction of these
features.
Cheers,
Tamas
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If you have existing messages in the broker and add consumers at a later
stage, it is a good idea to delay message dispatch start until all
consumers are present (or at least to give enough time for them to
subscribe). If you don't do that the first consumer will probably acquire
all me
Hi,
I've checked it once again and broker's web console shows 3 active
consumers.
TIA.
Sergey
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message groups to work?
TIA
Sergey
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Can you verify (JMX) that your consumer (are you using Camel? or straight
DMLC from spring?) is actually creating the requisite number of consumers
you're expecting?
On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 4:00 AM, UcayaliFish wrote:
> Hi,
> I need some advice with message groups and I've
Hi,
I need some advice with message groups and I've failed to find a solution in
the net.
What I'm doing is accepting RTP audio from several sources and converting
each RTP frame to JMS BytesMessage and sending it to ActiveMQ queue setting
JMSXGroupID property according to audio ori
gt; Am I missing anything? or is this the expected behavior?
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uration?
>
> If this is no longer true, then please provide any network of brokers
> configurations that can be used reliably with message groups.
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Hi All,
I was wondering if there is a publication about the Queue performance when
using Message Groups.
Our requirement is to handle 45k messages per second. How many messages can
a queue handle? how could handle such a load?
Thanks,
Ali
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the persistent store , am I right?
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that is correct. selectors and message groups are dispatched from
memory and the number of messages in memory is bound by maxPageSize
and prefetch size.
note: if you increase the prefetch size for a consumer it will also
result in more messages getting paged in.
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there is no way to automatically clean them up? If not, ts there a way to
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I am in process to introduce Message Groups to support parallel processing
> of message with an order and multiple consumers.
>
> We have been thinking a lot about an approach to to create our groups and
> it
> seems like the groups that we can come up with are short lived and we will
Hi All,
I am in process to introduce Message Groups to support parallel processing
of message with an order and multiple consumers.
We have been thinking a lot about an approach to to create our groups and it
seems like the groups that we can come up with are short lived and we will
very many of
strict message ordering is always going to be at odds with performance.
what you're trying to do might be better accomplished with:
http://activemq.apache.org/exclusive-consumer.html
On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 4:05 PM, MB wrote:
> After reading ActiveMQ Message Groups feature
After reading ActiveMQ Message Groups feature
(http://activemq.apache.org/message-groups.html), I'm a little confused
about how it works in a clustered environment.
The basic premise as far as I can see is that messages of a particular type
(defined by the JMSXGroupID, set in a message) ar
; > > Why not using two queues to send the different messages?
> > > It's more easy for problem diagnosis if some trouble is present.
> > > Besides, Do not use sparse selector or your consumers may get stuck.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
t; > seems work in theory.
> > Why not using two queues to send the different messages?
> > It's more easy for problem diagnosis if some trouble is present.
> > Besides, Do not use sparse selector or your consumers may get stuck.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > A
ote:
>
>> seems work in theory.
>> Why not using two queues to send the different messages?
>> It's more easy for problem diagnosis if some trouble is present.
>> Besides, Do not use sparse selector or your consumers may get stuck.
>>
>>
>>
>&g
> It's more easy for problem diagnosis if some trouble is present.
> Besides, Do not use sparse selector or your consumers may get stuck.
>
>
>
>
> At 2013-03-26 22:58:29,"Daniel Guggi" wrote:
> >hi,
> >
> >im curious if it is possible to use
>im curious if it is possible to use message-groups and jms selectors
>together.
>
>example:
>
>i have consumer 'normalPriorityConsumer' for queue "X" with selector
>'JMSProperty >= 4'
>i have consumer 'lowPrioritiyConsumer' for qu
hi,
im curious if it is possible to use message-groups and jms selectors
together.
example:
i have consumer 'normalPriorityConsumer' for queue "X" with selector
'JMSProperty >= 4'
i have consumer 'lowPrioritiyConsumer' for queue "X" with sele
ot sure how to debug why these messages aren't getting consumed.
I'm using the following setup:
- Apache ActiveMQ 5.5.1
- Camel / Spring / Java is used for message consuming
- Using "Message Groups" to ensure message ordering based on username
**The
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> assume I have something configured incorrectly but I'm not sure where to
> start? As I understand it when another message comes in with JMSXGroupID of
> B it should be processed by an idle consumer. This does not appear to be
> happening for me.
>
> Thanks,
> Chad
>
&
nother message comes in with JMSXGroupID of
B it should be processed by an idle consumer. This does not appear to be
happening for me.
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Chad
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producers that use vmtransport
maybe post your xml config and camel context.
On 28 September 2012 20:35, boday wrote:
> I'm using AMQ message groups with AMQ 5.5.0-fuse-00-27 with Kahadb persistent
> messaging and periodically see this WARN in the logs. I don't see any
> s
I'm using AMQ message groups with AMQ 5.5.0-fuse-00-27 with Kahadb persistent
messaging and periodically see this WARN in the logs. I don't see any
specific errors that result from this, but am wondering what the side
effects of this are, etc.
My consumer is a Camel (2.7.1-fuse-00-27)
On Tue, 2012-08-07 at 11:32 +0300, Umut Kocasaraç wrote:
> Hi everyone, I am adding some item on active mq queue with message group id
> (JMSXGroupID). When someting goes wrong on queue consumer i would like to
> delete all items with same message group id.
>
> For example i have one queue and i
Hi everyone, I am adding some item on active mq queue with message group id
(JMSXGroupID). When someting goes wrong on queue consumer i would like to
delete all items with same message group id.
For example i have one queue and i have added 5 items to it.
Message id =1
*Message Group id = 1 Messa
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Hi,
Having multiple message groups producers and multiple async consumers,
would it be correct to anticipate that a single consumer may get the
messages received being interleaved from different groups of messages?
Example:
- msg producer P1 sends a group of 2 msgs: P1.1 and P1.2,
while at the
BTW. we have open feature request for the broker rebalance message groups
when consumers are added/removed (
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AMQ-2106). I think that's the best way
to handle this use case. In any case, any contribution in this area is
welcomed.
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Hi,
> So it sounds like the current Message Groups behaviour is fine; its
> just you want to ensure fair load balancing of the message groups
> across consumers right? So if lots of other clients are restarted; the
> long running clients could end up claiming too many of the mess
Hi,
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 4:00 PM, boday wrote:
> Martin, message groups (by design) guarantee that only a single consumer will
> process messages for a group at a time.
Yes, I am aware of that. My problem at the moment is only, that it
will always be the SAME consumer processing the m
So it sounds like the current Message Groups behaviour is fine; its
just you want to ensure fair load balancing of the message groups
across consumers right? So if lots of other clients are restarted; the
long running clients could end up claiming too many of the message
groups?
I wonder if just
Martin, message groups (by design) guarantee that only a single consumer will
process messages for a group at a time. It preserves ordering of
related/group messages by single threading their processing while still
allowing concurrent processing of the queue as a whole (each group has it'
Hi,
My issue is that in a dynamically load-balancing scenario with scaling
the number of consumers up/down, long-living consumers will tend to
gather all available message groups and newly created won't have
anything available. Even if a newly created consumer gets a new
message group, it
/2010/09/activemq-message-groups.html
Either way, I'd think this could be a feature of the message groups.
Basically let you specify a frequency (either elapsed time or message count)
to force a new consumer for a group. Would serve to better randomize the
load across consumers to protect ag
Hi,
we currently use message groups to ensure ordered delivery of messages
within a given group. As noted on the documentation for message
groups, this often does not scale very well with variable consumer
counts, as in this case the oldest consumers will hog all message
groups.
In our use-case
Same issue, except I'm using ActiveMQ 5.5. And even with
consumer.prefetchSize=1, I still have messages for all group IDs being sent
to consumers on only one of the JVMs.
Even more intriguing, if I let the whole thing run for a longish period, I
*do* see some or all of the message g
nd if the messages with -1 gets processed last.
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I am using message groups with ActiveMQ 5.4.1 and when ending the group I'm
seeing some odd behavior.
I run two consumers on Queue A. There is a 200ms delay when processing a
message. I have a producer send 100 messages with group A to the broker
with the last having a group sequence
anning.com/snyder/
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On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 3:46 PM, marco crivellaro
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> Is there a way to get the message group (s) currently owned by a consumer?
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Hi,
I found an old message on this mailing list stating:
>>I don't want to load balance across brokers; I want sticky load
balancing
>>across consumers, with failover. I have a network-of-brokers. The
message
>>groups documentation (http://activemq.apache.org/message-gr
I have questions surrounding message groups and their behaviour under
failover:
My configuration:
* 2 brokers (A & B) connected to each other using a network connector. Both
brokers define a queue called TEST_Q.
* BrokerA and BrokerB have their own slave broker (SlaveBrokerA and
SlaveBro
before, this doesn't happen always, it is random.
I don't understand why nobody else sees this problem. Maybe it has to do
with opening and closing a lot of Message Groups?
Atte.,
Luis Rojas
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b administration tool for ActiveMQ and
also with a sniffer, between messages sent from a Java client and from a C++
client, to be sure that they are the same, and this problem happens only
with the C++ client.
We thought that this could be related to the hash algorithm used in AMQ for
Message groups (th
On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 05:57 -0800, kalki70 wrote:
>
>
> kalki70 wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > We are having a problem when using Activemq-cpp (version 2.2.6). This
> > problem happens with Stomp and Openwire.
> > We create thousands of message gr
kalki70 wrote:
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> Hello,
>
> We are having a problem when using Activemq-cpp (version 2.2.6). This
> problem happens with Stomp and Openwire.
> We create thousands of message groups dynamically : Create a message
> group, send several messages, close message group
Hello,
We are having a problem when using Activemq-cpp (version 2.2.6). This
problem happens with Stomp and Openwire.
We create thousands of message groups dynamically : Create a message group,
send several messages, close message group. The producer is a C++
application, the consumer is two
I'm using AMQ message groups with ServiceMix 3.3.1 and Camel 2.0.0...
thanks
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how do I set the concurrnetConsumer/maxConcurrentConsumer properties when
using message groups?
For example, if I set the maxConcurrentConsumers to 10 and I send messages
with 100 different JMSXGroupIDs...will the consumers be created/destroyed as
necessary or does a single consumer get reused
I am testing ActiveMQ 5.3 SNAPSHOT build from July 25th to get the message
group fix (AMQ-2016). When I test message groups with a simple read/write
test programs, it seems to work as advertised. However when I try to use
the same version of 5.3 using an MDB in jboss 4.2.2, it doesn't se
ceive any more messages. So what I proposed was something like the
> consumer saying :
> "Hey, I crashed, but I came back. Give me back the message groups I had
> before. By the way, last time I subscribed my consumer id was x".
>
> The feature you mention, that when a new c
like the
consumer saying :
"Hey, I crashed, but I came back. Give me back the message groups I had
before. By the way, last time I subscribed my consumer id was x".
The feature you mention, that when a new consumer subscribes, the broker
tries to distribute evenly the messages group
i70 wrote:
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> Hi, Dejan,
>
> My opinion is that the functionality of Message Groups is partially broken
> if there is no automatic recovery. What should the user do? Restart
> ActiveMQ
> ? :-(
> I don't think it is so hard to implement. Upon subscription the consumer
> co
Hi, Dejan,
My opinion is that the functionality of Message Groups is partially broken
if there is no automatic recovery. What should the user do? Restart ActiveMQ
? :-(
I don't think it is so hard to implement. Upon subscription the consumer
could be informed its consumer id, which can
Hi Luis,
unfortunately there is no way for the consumer to recover its previous
message groups. I'm not sure how this could be implemented, since the
consumer will have a new consumer id upon recovery, so it would be
impossible to relate it to the previous subscription.
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Dejan Bo
Hi,
I have been looking at this feature, that so far looks great for our
applications.
If I have several consumers, messages with specific JMSXGroupId are routed
to the same consumer.
If a consumer fails, its message groups are now reassigned to a different
consumer, so the service keeps working
Hopefully, it is working now. It definitely wasn't before, though.
I'm OK with leaving the NMSXGroupID as-is for now. It can be set on the
IMessage interface now, so the functionality is there.
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 7:52 AM, James Strachan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> 2008/8/27 Jim Gomes <[EM
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> We should raise a JIRA for this
>
> 2008/8/25 Marko111 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I am having a problem with message groups. Can someone please send me an
> > example of how to use message grouping feature with NMS. I
2008/8/27 Jim Gomes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hi James,
>
> There was an implementation gap on this area. I refactored this area of the
> code. Feel free to look over it to make sure I did things right. I wanted
> to make the IMessage.Properties transparent to use and interchangeable with
> the Set
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