Re: Newbie Lost in the Apache Jungle

2007-01-19 Thread Ted Husted
Just to follow up on the Grails suggestion. * http://www.infoq.com/minibooks/grails -T. On 1/10/07, Jason King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: grails, http://grails.codehaus.org might be a better choice as it links into several standard java projects (specifically spring and hibernate) w/o you havi

Re: Newbie Lost in the Apache Jungle

2007-01-12 Thread Ted Husted
Yet another native guide: * Java CRUD frameworks - http://kproject.gr/blog/?p=7 -Ted. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Newbie Lost in the Apache Jungle

2007-01-10 Thread Jason King
grails, http://grails.codehaus.org might be a better choice as it links into several standard java projects (specifically spring and hibernate) w/o you having to learn them up front. Groovy might be a better conceptual fit if you're coming from a 4gl background as well. Ted Husted wrote: You m

Re: Newbie Lost in the Apache Jungle

2007-01-10 Thread Ted Husted
You might want to give Ruby on Rails a look see. It isn't Java, or an ASF project, but it is open source, and a lot of Java developers have defected to RoR over the last couple of years. * http://www.rubyonrails.org/ And do invest an afternoon in setting up Subversion, even if you are working a

Re: Newbie Lost in the Apache Jungle

2007-01-10 Thread Phil_M
Leon: Leon Rosenberg-3 wrote: > > That being said, why don't you want to write some code by hands? :-) To tell the truth, that's why I'm looking into java based web solutions. I used to do quite a lot of hand coding, and my skills have eroded some since using the 4GL stuff recently. Needless

Re: Newbie Lost in the Apache Jungle

2007-01-10 Thread Leon Rosenberg
Hello Phil, Personally I don't believe in perfect generated code (despite I have written my own web-app generator, which generates complete web-app architecture out of few xml files, but thats a different story since I know what it generates :-) ), but if you want to take this approach you may lo

Re: Newbie Lost in the Apache Jungle

2007-01-10 Thread Dale Newfield
Phil_M wrote: Since I'll be the only author until at least an alpha release is ready, I can defer CVS for the moment -- as you said, we need to avoid overrunning our brain's buffers. I would caution against this. The added difficulty of setting up a cvs or svn repository is minimal (add an ho

RE: Newbie Lost in the Apache Jungle

2007-01-10 Thread Bruno Melloni
From: Phil_M [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 12:37 PM To: user@struts.apache.org Subject: RE: Newbie Lost in the Apache Jungle Bruno: Thanks for your excellent reply -- if I understand right, you're suggesting a java servlets based architecture (tomcat & u

Re: Newbie Lost in the Apache Jungle

2007-01-10 Thread Phil_M
Leon: Yeah, Rapid Applicatoin Development. Most of the database development I've been doing for the last few years has been 4GL type stuff where I design the UI and the toolset reverse engineers the underlying data model (with a lot of hints from the developer, of course). Then all I had to do

RE: Newbie Lost in the Apache Jungle

2007-01-10 Thread Phil_M
Bruno: Thanks for your excellent reply -- if I understand right, you're suggesting a java servlets based architecture (tomcat & underlying) for the application to provide the interactive user client, struts for the framework, and hibernate for DBE independence. Since I'll be the only author unti

RE: Newbie Lost in the Apache Jungle

2007-01-10 Thread Bruno Melloni
You'll have to pick different tools for different needs, then put them together. Here are some ideas based on open source: - JDK 1.5 - An IDE. Netbeans and Eclipse are good. Eclipse usually requires picking and installing plug-ins, but nowadays there are distributions you can get, or you can us

Re: Newbie Lost in the Apache Jungle

2007-01-10 Thread Leon Rosenberg
are you talking about RAD a in Rapid application development (RAD) ? If yes, than it doesn't depend on the framework you use. It's the definition of development process, not on which framework you intend to run. regards Leon On 1/10/07, Phil_M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Nicolas: This is a co

Re: Newbie Lost in the Apache Jungle

2007-01-10 Thread Phil_M
Nicolas: This is a completely new application, so no reverse engineering is needed. Does Apache have a RAD product/project for developing web applications? Thanks Again, --Phil Struts si not a RAD framework. >From an existing database, you may look at Hibernate that can generate a persistent

Re: Newbie Lost in the Apache Jungle

2007-01-10 Thread nicolas de loof
Struts si not a RAD framework. From an existing database, you may look at Hibernate that can generate a persistent Model be reverse engeneering. Lot's of other frameworks use this feature of hibernate to generate quickly a CRUD application (appfuse, Seam, ...). 2007/1/10, Phil_M <[EMAIL PROT