Re: JSF Vs Struts

> 1. is it difficult to switch from Struts to JSF for Struts-enabled ;-) > developer. How steep is the learning curve? There is going to be initial learning curve for sure. BUT IT IS WORTH it. Struts and JSF are totally in different paradiam. Struts is Action oriented and JSF is component oriented

Re: JSF Vs Struts

On Sep 21, 2005, at 1:40 PM, Wojciech Ciesielski wrote: 1. is it difficult to switch from Struts to JSF for Struts-enabled ;-) developer. How steep is the learning curve? I have not found it terribly difficult, but I've certainly not gone very far with it yet either. I think JSF contains a

JSF Vs Struts

Hi there, I am quite experienced with Struts - I've started learning it when JSF where just in development phase... Right now JSF became java standard - and it's supported by tools like MyEclipse and Exadel Studio. So - I've got two questions: 1. is it difficult to switch from Struts to JSF for

Re: JSF vs Struts

Mastering JSF (Wiley) compares JSF with Struts and Spring, in the context of teaching JSF. To balance the ticket, you might also want to read something like Struts for Dummies (my favorite Struts book for newbies). If the project doesn't merit reading two books, then you might want to consider Mic

Re: JSF vs Struts

On 4/19/05, Murali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > I was trying to find which would be best choice for a website development. > JSF or Struts. JSF looks similar to Struts. does any one know any articles on > which framework should go for. If you don't have experience with either, than o

Re: JSF vs Struts

Well, that's just about the most dangerous question to ask around these parts lately :) But in the end, the answer is what it should be for any vs. choice... examine them both, play with them, understand them, and then make the decision that fits your needs the best. Neither is going away any

Re: JSF vs Struts

Take a look at http://www.jsfcentral.com/reading/index.html . There are several links there to articles or blogs that attempt to help you compare the two. Hubert On 4/19/05, Murali <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > I was trying to find which would be best choice for a website development

RE: JSF vs Struts

Hi, I was trying to find which would be best choice for a website development. JSF or Struts. JSF looks similar to Struts. does any one know any articles on which framework should go for. Thanks - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try

[article] JavaServer Faces (JSF) vs Struts

Hi list, this weekend I found this *interessting* article on Struts and JavaServer Faces. http://www.sys-con.com/story/?storyid=46516&DE=1 Perhaps it is helpful for somebody of you guys. Greetings, Matthias -- Matthias Weßendorf Aechterhoek 18 DE-48282 Emsdetten Germany Email: matthias AT wess

Re: OT: Re: Velocity vs tags (was JSF vs Struts)

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:38:55 -0400, David Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks, i didn't know that. Velocitys other big sellling point to me is > that i can use it during an action's execution, for instance, to create > files on disc. theres no way to do that with jsp is there? cause having

Re: OT: Re: Velocity vs tags (was JSF vs Struts)

On Thu, 2004-07-22 at 21:59, Rick Reumann wrote: > David Evans wrote: > > > Velocitys other big sellling point to me is > > that i can use it during an action's execution, for instance, to create > > files on disc. theres no way to do that with jsp is there? > > Not sure what you mean by writin

Re: OT: Re: Velocity vs tags (was JSF vs Struts)

David Evans wrote: Velocitys other big sellling point to me is that i can use it during an action's execution, for instance, to create files on disc. theres no way to do that with jsp is there? Not sure what you mean by writing files to disc? You mean writing to the server's file system? If so,

Re: OT: Re: Velocity vs tags (was JSF vs Struts)

On Thu, 2004-07-22 at 13:43, Craig McClanahan wrote: > On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:33:35 -0400, David Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks for the input. i can see what you mean about the conditionals and > > looping looking cleaner. but the ease of use of sticking any kind of > > java object in

Re: OT: Re: Velocity vs tags (was JSF vs Struts)

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 10:33:35 -0400, David Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks for the input. i can see what you mean about the conditionals and > looping looking cleaner. but the ease of use of sticking any kind of > java object in the context and calling out its properties by > $object.prope

OT: Re: Velocity vs tags (was JSF vs Struts)

Thanks for the input. i can see what you mean about the conditionals and looping looking cleaner. but the ease of use of sticking any kind of java object in the context and calling out its properties by $object.property or $object.nestedObject.property is the part of velocity that i think is cleane

Re: Velocity vs tags (was JSF vs Struts)

David Evans wrote: Could you elaborate on what you find distastful about Velocity? I wasn't being "all" seriously when I said "yuk":) but seriously I do find that when you have a decent amount of conditional logic on a page (which sometimes during presentation is unavoidable if you want to re-u

Velocity vs tags (was JSF vs Struts)

Rick, Could you elaborate on what you find distastful about Velocity? I've just started using it as my primary presentation layer tool in struts, because i found the templating language so clean and clear. The ablitiy to stick what ever object i'd like in its context, and then refer to it in a si

RE: JSF vs Struts

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RE: JSF vs Struts

19, 2004 4:25 PM > To: Struts Users Mailing List > Subject: Re: JSF vs Struts > > > Craig McClanahan wrote: > > > With JSF, however, the situation is different. Every JSF component > > is, at its core, just a JavaBean ... it doesn't care what > techno

RE: JSF vs Struts

Craig McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 12:13 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: JSF vs Struts On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:25:13 -0400, Rick Reumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We're thinking about using Flash forms for some things. Will they

Re: JSF vs Struts - Development Process Questions

JSF with spring and hibernate tutorial. http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-07-2004/jw-0719-jsf.html Guess I should read it before I comment again. --b Bryan Hunt wrote: +1 I am sceptical about this technology but potentially it c

Re: JSF vs Struts - Development Process Questions

+1 I am sceptical about this technology but potentially it could be good. I'm going to look at JSF in 6 months or a years time when it is clearer if this is going to be another timewaster/project wrecker or something usefull and useable. In the meantime I recomend NitroX as well although I don't

RE: JSF vs Struts - Development Process Questions

At 10:51 AM 7/19/2004, you wrote: > If you'd like to see some leading edge Flash, turn up your sound and go to > http://www.2advanced.com/ HELLO! Wow! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail

RE: JSF vs Struts - Development Process Questions

o: Struts Users Mailing List > Subject: Re: JSF vs Struts - Development Process Questions > > > I have some questions regarding the development process when using JSF, especially > in realtion to > HTML designers. Will everyone on the team need the same advanced design tools? > W

Re: JSF vs Struts

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:25:13 -0400, Rick Reumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We're thinking about using Flash forms for some things. Will they plugin > nicely to JSF? > Hooking up the output side of that should be a piece of cake ... write some components that render the necessary markup to emb

Re: JSF vs Struts - Development Process Questions

I have some questions regarding the development process when using JSF, especially in realtion to HTML designers. Will everyone on the team need the same advanced design tools? Will the designers who are used to tweaking HTML/JSP be restricted to a completely visual drag and drop environment?

Re: JSF vs Struts

At 01:01 AM 7/19/2004, you wrote: The custom tags that Struts provides (in the html and logic and bean tag libraries) were a necessary precursor to "out of the box" usage of Struts, in order to make it possible to adopt the basic MVC architectural pattenrs. However, that was *always* a secondary f

Re: JSF vs Struts

Craig McClanahan wrote: With JSF, however, the situation is different. Every JSF component is, at its core, just a JavaBean ... it doesn't care what technology is used to ultimately manage the page. Yes, we provide JSP tag wrappers around all the standard components (because that addresses the ne

Re: JSF vs Struts

On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 23:40:08 -0600, Jeff Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've been monitoring this discussion. I for one like using the struts > html tags over the JSTL/JSF semantically strange tags. > For one thing, feedback from the HTML developers I work with, prefer > html:interate this

RE: JSF vs Struts

://displaytag.sf.net) on using struts/jsp, regards, matthias > -Original Message- > From: Jeff Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 7:40 AM > To: Struts Users Mailing List > Subject: Re: JSF vs Struts > > > I've been monitoring this dis

Re: JSF vs Struts

I've been monitoring this discussion. I for one like using the struts html tags over the JSTL/JSF semantically strange tags. For one thing, feedback from the HTML developers I work with, prefer html:interate this over the {c:jstl } garboono. I mean, isn't this a big motivation why Struts was cr

Re: JSF vs Struts

On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 23:56:55 -0400, Rick Reumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Craig McClanahan wrote: > > > For applications you are about to start on, if it is your intent to > > use the Struts HTML tags for your view tier, you should review that > > decision in the light of the developments of t

Re: JSF vs Struts

Craig McClanahan wrote: For applications you are about to start on, if it is your intent to use the Struts HTML tags for your view tier, you should review that decision in the light of the developments of the last few months, since the JSF spec went final, to say nothing of the availability of alte

Re: JSF vs Struts

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:51:01 +1200, Shane Mingins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > For a new development initiative, why would you choose to use Struts and JSF > over just using JSF? Or is that dumb question? Or is there a link that > answers that question? > Not a dumb question at all ... in fac

RE: JSF vs Struts

> -Original Message- > From: Craig McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, 19 July 2004 5:09 a.m. > To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: JSF vs Struts > > In particular, though, you need to understand that Struts and JSF

Re: JSF vs Struts

> > What exactly is officially to be considered a 'corporate developer'? > Honestly, for I don't know. The common VB guy who neither cares > nor even knows much apart from 'point-and-click and it's done, > obviously'? > A corporate developer is more known by what she or he knows, than by what to

Re: JSF vs Struts

On Sunday 18 July 2004 19:08, Craig McClanahan wrote: +1. But one thing I always wondered about, and as you brought the term into play here: > I suspect Bryan might be confusing particular tools (i.e. Sun Java > Studio Creator, deliberately aimed at corporate developers) with the > underlying te

Re: JSF vs Struts

On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 17:04:44 +0200, Bryan Hunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > struts exists and has existed for a long time. jsf is yet another naf > sun inspired attempt to mimic microsoft. > I suspect Bryan might be confusing particular tools (i.e. Sun Java Studio Creator, deliberately aimed at c

Re: JSF vs Struts

struts exists and has existed for a long time. jsf is yet another naf sun inspired attempt to mimic microsoft. --b Martin Gainty wrote: Sorry for the simplistic question Starting a new project and trying to get a handle on 2 different approaches What does Struts have to offer over JSF? Thanks, ma

JSF vs Struts

Sorry for the simplistic question Starting a new project and trying to get a handle on 2 different approaches What does Struts have to offer over JSF? Thanks, martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional comma