Re: Copying of properties vs. nested VO

2005-07-18 Thread netsql
Michael Jouravlev wrote: I am not convinced that UI should be *that* different from domain model. +1. Example: You make a html mock up an go to contract, then do ren *.html to *.jsp for prototype. Beased on your approved prototype your most senior desigs a domain model! Domain Model is m

Re: Copying of properties vs. nested VO

2005-07-18 Thread Michael Jouravlev
On 7/18/05, Adam Hardy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael Jouravlev on 18/07/05 20:52, wrote: > > I am not convinced that UI should be *that* different from domain > > model. Do you have examples? > > I'm not sure that I can conjure up something convincing (being a techie > myself!) because you

Re: Copying of properties vs. nested VO

2005-07-18 Thread Adam Hardy
Michael Jouravlev on 18/07/05 20:52, wrote: On 7/18/05, Adam Hardy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: While the business domain is normally modelled using OO techniques, the view or user interface should be modelled using human behaviour analysis techniques that produce the best interface for users to

Copying of properties vs. nested VO

2005-07-18 Thread Michael Jouravlev
Anyone in the mood to kick the dead horse again? I decided to compare two approaches to use/update data from Struts. I am obviously biased towards nested VO/BO, so maybe I left something out. [I] Property copying This one seems to be the default and "officially endorsed" Struts practice. 1) Crea

[OT] Re: Copying of properties vs. nested VO

2005-07-18 Thread Dave Newton
Adam Hardy wrote: Not all users can think like geeks! And the (probably more important!) corollary: Most geeks can't think like users. Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EM

Re: Copying of properties vs. nested VO

2005-07-18 Thread Adam Hardy
Having a VO/BO with string- & strong-property getters and setters is IMHO a short cut through the UI / business domain interface. While the business domain is normally modelled using OO techniques, the view or user interface should be modelled using human behaviour analysis techniques that pro

Re: Copying of properties vs. nested VO

2005-07-18 Thread Michael Jouravlev
On 7/18/05, Adam Hardy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > While the business domain is normally modelled using OO techniques, the > view or user interface should be modelled using human behaviour analysis > techniques that produce the best interface for users to get their work > done efficiently, reflect