Re: AW: AW: [OT] Business Layer Ideas

2005-06-01 Thread Dave Newton
Leon Rosenberg wrote: I think Java is acceptable for Pretty Large Projects, with Large Numbers of developers, especially if they're Geographically Distant. I'm struggling to come up with a 10x20 program that would benefit from being written in Java that wouldn't suck, and I _like_ many pa

Re: AW: AW: [OT] Business Layer Ideas

2005-06-01 Thread Dave Newton
Leon Rosenberg wrote: I'm struggling to come up with a 10x20 program that would benefit from being written in Java that wouldn't suck, and I _like_ many parts of OO! http://vip8prod.messe-berlin.de/messe/execute/enShow?unit=Hall+5.1&prj= That's pretty neat; I like it. I'm skeptical it

AW: AW: [OT] Business Layer Ideas

2005-06-01 Thread Leon Rosenberg
I think Java is acceptable for Pretty Large Projects, with > Large Numbers > of developers, especially if they're Geographically Distant. I'm > struggling to come up with a 10x20 program that would benefit > from being > written in Java that wouldn't suck, and I _like_ many parts of OO! http:

AW: AW: [OT] Business Layer Ideas

2005-06-01 Thread Leon Rosenberg
I think Java is acceptable for Pretty Large Projects, with > Large Numbers > of developers, especially if they're Geographically Distant. I'm > struggling to come up with a 10x20 program that would benefit > from being > written in Java that wouldn't suck, and I _like_ many parts of OO! http:

Re: AW: [OT] Business Layer Ideas

2005-06-01 Thread Dave Newton
Leon Rosenberg wrote: As I wrote in the answer to dave: c is not c++. The main problem of c++ was actually, that they kept all the c-shit (yes powerful, but absolutely unmaintenable stuff ) in the language. I don't know where you're getting that "unmaintainable" bit from. A printer company

AW: [OT] Business Layer Ideas

2005-06-01 Thread Leon Rosenberg
> On 6/1/05, Leon Rosenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > *snip* > > Would you be able to code them with c? Forget it. > > Actually, I suspect that alot of these have been coded with C/C++. As I wrote in the answer to dave: c is not c++. The main problem of c++ was actually, that they kept all the

AW: [OT] Business Layer Ideas

2005-06-01 Thread Leon Rosenberg
> On 6/1/05, Leon Rosenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > *snip* > > Would you be able to code them with c? Forget it. > > Actually, I suspect that alot of these have been coded with C/C++. As I wrote in the answer to dave: c is not c++. The main problem of c++ was actually, that they kept all the

Re: AW: [OT] Business Layer Ideas

2005-06-01 Thread Dave Newton
Leon Rosenberg wrote: * What's a "modern" language, anyway? What features does a "modern" language have? I don't think Java is as widely used as it is because it's interesting or powerful, it was just a better C++ with marketing. Java is actually the first component-oriented language.

AW: [OT] Business Layer Ideas

2005-06-01 Thread Leon Rosenberg
> > >Modern OSes, office suites or business software. > >Modern guis, with integrated media support, integrated audio/video > >broad- and unicasts, animations, sounds, and so on... > > > >Would you be able to code them with c? Forget it. > > > > > Why wouldn't I? We used to code most anythi

AW: [OT] Business Layer Ideas

2005-06-01 Thread Leon Rosenberg
> > >Modern OSes, office suites or business software. > >Modern guis, with integrated media support, integrated audio/video > >broad- and unicasts, animations, sounds, and so on... > > > >Would you be able to code them with c? Forget it. > > > > > Why wouldn't I? We used to code most anythi

Re: AW: [OT] Business Layer Ideas

2005-06-01 Thread Dave Newton
Leon Rosenberg wrote: We make far more complicated programms in far less time and for lesser cost. "Complicated" is a pretty loaded term... I don't see much complication in the majority of web apps. Big, sure. Complicated? Sometimes. The most complicated stuff I've worked on lately is rules

AW: [OT] Business Layer Ideas

2005-06-01 Thread Leon Rosenberg
> > One major problem lies with how programmers are educated > today. A lot of schools teach a language or a design > philosophy but rarely are in-depth enough to actually breed > the abstract skills necessary for the programmer to become > useful. It's a shame, really. I went to college in >

AW: [OT] Business Layer Ideas

2005-06-01 Thread Leon Rosenberg
> > One major problem lies with how programmers are educated > today. A lot of schools teach a language or a design > philosophy but rarely are in-depth enough to actually breed > the abstract skills necessary for the programmer to become > useful. It's a shame, really. I went to college in >