Okay. I guess this is not the "OO world". That was my point. This is not
OO. If you are happy with that, good. We agree!
On 11/24/05, Alexandre Poitras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I don't agree. In the OO world it is true but here using inheritance
> allow you to specify some default val
I don't agree. In the OO world it is true but here using inheritance
allow you to specify some default values that you can override (think
about Tile). This is impossible in composition unless you have some
substitution mechanism.
On 11/24/05, Dakota Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Composition a
Composition and inhertitance are fundamentally incompatible. If they are
being used together conceptually, this is a design nightmare.
On 11/22/05, Gary VanMatre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> > Hi
> >
> > So how would you implement composition, with inheritance, using Clay
> instead of
> > Til
Composition and inheritance are fundamentally antithetical. If they are
being mixed up here, this is a design sinkhole.
On 11/22/05, Gary VanMatre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> > Hi
> >
> > So how would you implement composition, with inheritance, using Clay
> instead of
> > Tiles?.
> I'm a bi
Composition and inheritance are two antithetical patterns. One of themost
important things you can do is to favor composition over (instead of)
inheritance. If they are being mixed up here, this is an architectural
nightmare.
On 11/22/05, Gary VanMatre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> > Hi
> >
>
> Hi
>
> Thanks for your clarification Craig. So, if I read you correct, Tiles and
> Clay
> go hand in hand. Use Tiles for assembling the pages, so that you only have to
> write jsp/html files containing the specific content (not the whole page).
> Then
> use Clay to do the work writing of t
On 11/23/05, Alexandre Poitras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ok the problem with Rolodex seems fixed in today build :) But my french
> translation doesn't seem to be there (I can't find the file).
Craig just committed it about an hour ago, and it will show up in the
20051124 nightly build.
http:
; template technology, I recommend you
> > look at facelets
> > (https://facelets.dev.java.net).
> >
> > Regards,
> > David
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Alexandre Poitras [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 20
Subject: Re: [shale] Design questions
I see. I think most of the time you're right. But in some complex situations
a tradeoff *might* be better, instead of having a lot of bloating views, you
put the logic in the backing bean. Of course, there are always ways of
reorganizing your code like by usin
dnesday, November 23, 2005 1:16 PM
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>
>
> Hi hermod, I think you refer to my other post. The author just took the
> same
> title. Confusing he?
> I totally agree with your suggestions. Not a bad idea in my m
code, and then in my view I would
test for this and act accordingly - See the destinction?
Hermod
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Hi hermod, I
> duplicate code in variuos backing beans. It would be really nice to have it
> as Winny the poo: Yes, please. I.e both on pages and on .jsps (tiles). I
> guess one way of solving it would be to implement something portal like.
>
> Hermod
>
> -Original Message-
> From
ware" template technology, I recommend you
> look at facelets
> (https://facelets.dev.java.net).
>
> Regards,
> David
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Alexandre Poitras [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 11:17 PM
> To: Struts Users Ma
one way of solving
it would be to implement something portal like.
Hermod
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I kind of agree with you Gary.
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I kind of agree with you Gary. I just love Tiles powerful features and I
would like to use it in my JSF application (but I would take a deep look at
Tapestry way of doing it to see if it is truly necessary). Anyway, I started
to have
Hi
That should of course read: Thanks for your clarification -Gary- Sorry !
Hermod
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Hi
Thanks for your
them self, utilizing Clay
component definitions and their corresponding jsfid's in those pages.
Hermod
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Composition is a preferred design instead of inheritance. So, implementing
"composition, with inheritance" does not make much sense.
On 11/22/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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&g
I kind of agree with you Gary. I just love Tiles powerful features and I
would like to use it in my JSF application (but I would take a deep look at
Tapestry way of doing it to see if it is truly necessary). Anyway, I started
to have concerns after watching the JavaOne 2005 presentation "Extreme Re
> Hi
>
> So how would you implement composition, with inheritance, using Clay instead
> of
> Tiles?.
I'm a big fan of Tiles and think that Clay and Tiles have their own niches. I
see tiles as a tool for assembling page fragments in a reusable way. Clay is at
a more granular level. It's focu
On 11/22/05, Craig McClanahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> As a Struts project, once Shale gets to a General Availablility release
> (which *definitely* won't be true for at least the first few milestones), it
> will share the Struts community passion for backwards compatibility.
> However, even
>Personally, I think that would be a great idea :-). However, I would
>suggest
>a slight terminology change, because every Shale app is also "JSF
>specific".
>It would be more an issue of "do you want to use the Shale value add
>features *in addition to* those of pure JSF.
Yes! Yes! You got it co
Thanks Craig, your comments will help in my deliberations at the moment, I
appreciate you taking the time to reply :)
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On 11/22/05, Frank W. Zammetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On Tue, November 22, 2005 1:24 pm, Craig McClanahan said:
> > For the long term, I absolutely agree with you ... and Shale will
> > certainly
> > serve as good "research and development" for what should be standardized
> > in
> > JSF 2.0
On Tue, November 22, 2005 1:24 pm, Craig McClanahan said:
> For the long term, I absolutely agree with you ... and Shale will
> certainly
> serve as good "research and development" for what should be standardized
> in
> JSF 2.0.
Craig, that's an interesting comment, and I'd like to ask you to expa
On 11/22/05, Nwokoma, Sampson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Where can I get a good tutorial on Shale?
> Oma
Ah, the perils of trying to use bleeding edge software :-).
Your best bet is to first gain some basic familiarity with JSF first, using
the large number of resources that are available. A
Where can I get a good tutorial on Shale?
Oma
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> Craig,
> Thank you a lot for your reply. I respect you a lot so it is with all
> due respect that I asking this: why crave out an entire new framework as
> shale when JSF should have been extended to take care of whatever shale
> represen
eator, which is an integrated development
environment.
Regards,
David
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David,
What is the difference between
List
Subject: RE: [shale] Design questions
Oma,
If you are having trouble coding tags, which suggests you are using
Shale's Clay feature, you might want to check out
Facelets which has similar display properties to CLay. The URL is
https://facelets.dev.java.net and I found it much
easier to
.
Regards,
David
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Craig,
Thank you a lot for your reply. I respect you
Craig,
Thank you a lot for your reply. I respect you a lot so it is with all
due respect that I asking this: why crave out an entire new framework as
shale when JSF should have been extended to take care of whatever shale
represents. I am learning shale, and I am grudging about having to code
the t
On 11/22/05, Nwokoma, Sampson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Is it possible to develop Shale using Java Studio Creator?
> Oma
At this point, the application models supported by Shale and Creator 2 are
similar but not identical. You'll find that Creator's "page beans" are very
similar in functiona
sing Clay
> instead of Tiles?.
>
> Hermod
>
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> McClanahan
> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 6:15 AM
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> Subject: Re: [shale] Design questions
>
Is it possible to develop Shale using Java Studio Creator?
Oma
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On 11/21/05, Alexandre Poitras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Hi!
>
> First of all, congratz on the good job. Shale looks very promising. We are
> currently implementing JSF in my organization. I already knew about
Thank for the advices Craig . I'll do some pratical experiments with Shale
now. By the wat, I have found an interesting post on Sun Java forums about
backing beans design. Here's the link in case some other users are
interested in the subject :
http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=667941&
] Design questions
On 11/21/05, Alexandre Poitras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Hi!
>
> First of all, congratz on the good job. Shale looks very promising. We are
> currently implementing JSF in my organization. I already knew about Shale
> but I hadn't checked its p
Is it possible to develop Shale application using Java Studio Creator?
Oma.
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On 11/21/05, Alexandre Poitras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Hi!
>
> First of all, congratz on the good job. Shale looks very promising. We are
> currently implementing JSF in my organization. I already knew about Shale
> but I hadn't checked its progress in a while and I must say I am impressed
>
Hi!
First of all, congratz on the good job. Shale looks very promising. We are
currently implementing JSF in my organization. I already knew about Shale
but I hadn't checked its progress in a while and I must say I am impressed
so far. Actually, I stumbled upon the project while I was looking for
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