[OT] Re: AJAX: Whoa, Nellie!

2005-04-21 Thread DGraham
The point is that few, if any, of the 140+ posts in the thread are DIRECTLY related to struts. The majority are in the arena of discussing the merits/pitfalls AJAX-related technologies. And to be honest, I think all salient points have been made. I think we can all agree that the horse is dea

Re: [OT] Re: AJAX: Whoa, Nellie!

2005-04-20 Thread Dakota Jack
Good idea. There is an incipient similar thing going on with the image package in the commons sandbox. Abey Mullasery's work there is interesting. I think it needs a bit more practical grounding, but that will come. These two projects do not overlap, but the point does. On 4/20/05, Frank W. Za

Re: [OT] Re: AJAX: Whoa, Nellie!

2005-04-20 Thread Vic Cekvenich (netsql)
Frank W. Zammetti wrote: someone mentioned the idea of having custom tags that generate the underlying code... this is an intersting idea to me because you get the whole Swing-ish code-centric approach underlying it all, but with custom tags so you don't have to do all the code if you don't want t

Re: [OT] Re: AJAX: Whoa, Nellie!

2005-04-20 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
You know, if what you want is Swing on the client, i.e., you write code to do everything, then my VisML project that I mentioned yesterday is one such option. But you start to see in a pretty big hurry that it isn't a good idea... One of the most powerful aspects of web development is the way you

Re: [OT] Re: AJAX: Whoa, Nellie!

2005-04-20 Thread Dakota Jack
There are lots of issues besides just wanting this to happen. All serious attempts so far have pretty much failed. Have you looked at Flash, if this is your big interest? Flash ActionScript pretty much does what you want. But, I don't think it is a good idea. I think you have to keep some thing

Re: [OT] Re: AJAX: Whoa, Nellie!

2005-04-20 Thread Vic Cekvenich (netsql)
Erik Weber wrote: SwingWorker worker = new CustomSwingWorker("GET_XML_RPC_DATA") { I guess I'm in the wrong forum. :) Erik Ahh it's the right forum ;-). My code is VERY similar to above. .V - To unsubscribe, e-ma

[OT] Re: AJAX: Whoa, Nellie!

2005-04-20 Thread Erik Weber
Frank W. Zammetti wrote: On Tue, April 19, 2005 10:47 am, Erik Weber said: I, with respect for the author, disagree with this entirely. I am people, and this is not what I expect or desire at all. As a user, I expect and desire 1) A fast download 2) my bookmarks to work/easy to remember URLs 3)

Re: [OT] RE: AJAX: Whoa, Nellie!

2005-04-19 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
Good insight Allen, thank you! Your experience echoes mine as well. P.S. - The way my father always said it is "sometimes you eat the salami, sometimes the salami eats you". I bet everyones' dad told them that with a different something or other eating something or other :) Fogleson, Allen wro

[OT] RE: AJAX: Whoa, Nellie!

2005-04-19 Thread Fogleson, Allen
The move towards specialization has ups and downs, depending on where you live, what you do, and what your company's management thinks. As we specialize into very discreet tasks (that presumably can have very precise requirements wrapped around them) the business owners begin to gain the ability to