Re: Javascript + Struts tag problem

2005-08-05 Thread amitava . basak
Duane, As far as I understand, "disabled" is a property of the form which should be denoted as document.forms[0].disabled and not just by disabled as you have done in if(disabled ==true ) change it to: if( document.forms[0].disabled == true ) and it should work. This is the reason the

Re: Deleting all beans

2005-08-05 Thread d d
  I think the beans u are talking are ActionForm..??? If so no need to worry.When u define action in struts-config.xml, you provide scope for ur bean as once bean scope is provided, struts creates a variable named as "yourFormBean" in scope you specified.You can just remove this variable from

Re: Using Message Resources with Tiles?

2005-08-05 Thread Jason Lea
I put keys into the tile definition eg Then I just treat them as keys. Using either JSTL/EL ()or Struts tags () to fetch the text from the message resources. The tiles tags don't provide a method of getting the value directly from the resource. so I use so that the values are availab

Using Message Resources with Tiles?

2005-08-05 Thread Mark Womack
I can't imagine that this question has not been asked before, but I could not dig up answers in the mail archives or the online documentation. I apologize in advance if there is an obvious answer that I do not see. Instead of embedding a text value in my tiles definition file like this:

Re: Main class for a struts webapp...

2005-08-05 Thread Yan Hu
--- "O. Oke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can anyone please tell me where the "main" (public > static void main...) class of a Strus web application > can be found. To put it another way, when I click a > button in an HTML form, which "main" class kick starts > the chain of processing that eventu

[OT] {BEER] commercial J2EE application server recommendations.

2005-08-05 Thread netsql
J2EE App Servers: Resin, Tomcat, Orion DB: MySQL, PostgresSQL, Sybase ASA (not ASE) Framework: APache/iBatis PetStore good luck. .V People are conversing... without posting their email or fi

Re: {Spam?} Deleting all beans

2005-08-05 Thread GRamani
Dave, You can use this: HttpSession.invalidate(); and poof! there go all your beans..;) regards, Geeta David Thielen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 08/05/2005 06:14 PM Please respond to "Struts Users Mailing List" To Struts Users Mailing List cc Subject {Spam?} Deleting all beans Hi; When

Deleting all beans

2005-08-05 Thread David Thielen
Hi; When a user logs out I would like to delete all beans that JSF created and attached to the session. And I would like to end the session too if possible. Is there a way to do this. Preferably without having to know the names of the beans as that requires we not miss one. Thanks - dave

Re: {Spam?} Re: [OT] What to choose: Struts, JSF, Shale or Spring

2005-08-05 Thread GRamani
Fair enough.. and I'll resist the temptation to ask when you think/hope those "couple of rounds" will be done..;) Thanks again for your time! Geeta Craig McClanahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 08/05/2005 03:59 PM Please respond to "Struts Users Mailing List" To Struts Users Mailing List cc Sub

Re: Main class for a struts webapp...

2005-08-05 Thread Wendy Smoak
From: "O. Oke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To put it another way, when I click a button in an HTML form, which "main" class kick starts the chain of processing that eventually leads to my action class being executed? The "entry point" for Struts is in the doPost (or doGet) method of org.apache.struts.

Re: Main class for a struts webapp...

2005-08-05 Thread Dave Newton
O. Oke wrote: Can anyone please tell me where the "main" (public static void main...) class of a Strus web application can be found. To put it another way, when I click a button in an HTML form, which "main" class kick starts the chain of processing that eventually leads to my action class bein

Re: Main class for a struts webapp...

2005-08-05 Thread Chad S. Lauritsen
it's somewhere deep inside the servlet container. I think what you need to look at is the action servlet, which is defined in the web.xml in a struts webapp O. Oke wrote: Can anyone please tell me where the "main" (public static void main...) class of a Strus web application can be found. To

Main class for a struts webapp...

2005-08-05 Thread O. Oke
Can anyone please tell me where the "main" (public static void main...) class of a Strus web application can be found. To put it another way, when I click a button in an HTML form, which "main" class kick starts the chain of processing that eventually leads to my action class being executed? Than

[OT] {BEER] commercial J2EE application server recommendations.

2005-08-05 Thread Gareth Meyrick
hi, perhaps the subject should be stout vs. porter vs. bitter vs. pale ale vs. pilsner;) as an open source advocate and user, i usually recommend open source solutions. however, i have a rapidly growing client that is uncomfortable with open source, and has plenty of money. i haven't worked wit

Re: [OT] What to choose: Struts, JSF, Shale or Spring

2005-08-05 Thread Craig McClanahan
On 8/5/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thank you for the detailed reply, Craig. The reason I was hesitating going > whole hog into Shale was I was worried the functionality of Struts that I > have gotten used to may still be in an incumbent stage in Shale. However > since you sta

Re: {Spam?} Re: help on plugin and i18n

2005-08-05 Thread peeths @struts
hi all , thanx every one who helped me in i18n , i put the application files inside classes folder and now its working fine , and now i got now one doubt , i have defined for two languages english and italina , but all the time its displaying english , and if i want to display it in italian langua

Re: What is the recomended framework

2005-08-05 Thread GRamani
oops sorry, I meant spring or some other framework.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/05/2005 03:37 PM Please respond to "Struts Users Mailing List" To "Struts Users Mailing List" cc Struts Users Mailing List Subject {Spam?} Re: {Spam?} What is the recomended framework ..and for this particula

problem with retaining form bean values - Struts 1.1

2005-08-05 Thread Shyam Anand
Hi, I'm using Struts 1.1 for my web application. I have a problem with retaining my form bean values in the following scenario: I have a JSP page with portions displayed in sequence based on user action. I have 3 buttons on the page and parts of the JSP page are displayed when the user clicks on e

Re: {Spam?} What is the recomended framework

2005-08-05 Thread GRamani
..and for this particular list one question that will be of interest is: "Would people who know and love Struts find Shale easier/more familiar, etc. than say MyFaces"? After all, Shale was almost chrstened Struts2.0 I know, I know, I ought to research all the possiblities, but for some rea

Re: What is the recomended framework

2005-08-05 Thread BHansard
I think the true answer to that question is it depends. What is your tolerance for "new technology"? What is your expectation for integration with older systems? What is your developer experiance base? etc Personally, if I were starting a project from scratch with no chance of integration wi

Re: [OT] What to choose: Struts, JSF, Shale or Spring

2005-08-05 Thread GRamani
Thank you for the detailed reply, Craig. The reason I was hesitating going whole hog into Shale was I was worried the functionality of Struts that I have gotten used to may still be in an incumbent stage in Shale. However since you state that JSF+Shale "has pretty much all the functional featur

Re: in struts

2005-08-05 Thread Laurie Harper
Senthilrajan VS wrote: I am using and using collections. I want to put into this. Is it possible to have using . Can't you just include it in your JSP? L. -- Laurie, Open Source advocate, Java geek and novice blogger: http://www.holoweb.net/laurie ---

Re: [OT][FRIDAY] The 'Jakarta' of Javascript?

2005-08-05 Thread Laurie Harper
Emmanouil Batsis wrote: Laurie Harper wrote: When it comes to server-side Java components and libraries, I generally find most of what I need at Jakarta or elsewhere at Apache; it's certainly one of the first places I always look. Is there a 'Jakarta' of client-side components? Some folks h

Re: [OT] The 'Jakarta' of Javascript?

2005-08-05 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
I agree with your general impression of sites like that... and, DD has it's share of "gee whiz, that's neat but oh so annoying!" content too... but when you find the good stuff it really tends to be *very* good. -- Frank W. Zammetti Founder and Chief Software Architect Omnytex Technologies http:/

What is the recomended framework

2005-08-05 Thread David Thielen
Hi; This whole struts/shale/jsf/spring/kitchen sink discussion has brought up a fundamental question. What should we use, assuming new code to keep it simple. So, what should we be using on the presentation and persistence side? JSF and Hibernate seem to be a yes from everyone. But what ab

Re: [OT] The 'Jakarta' of Javascript?

2005-08-05 Thread Laurie Harper
I'll have to have a dig around on there. I find sites like that tend to have an overwhelming amount of trivial or just plain annoying scripts (I *hate* sites that have a little bumble bee chasing my mouse around the page ;-) rather than full-on UI components, but having done very little with Ja

RE: {Spam?} Re: [OT] What to choose: Struts, JSF, Shale or Spring

2005-08-05 Thread Kevin Hinners
It is definitely an option and does what it purports to do, for the most part. However, if you get stuck and need help, I've found that you are on your own for solutions. I think that Struts-Faces integration needs its own mailing list, though. Kevin Hinners Senior Technical Analyst FedEx Serv

Re: Problem in populating html controls from Bean...

2005-08-05 Thread Laurie Harper
Wendy Smoak wrote: From: "Laurie Harper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This really should be an FAQ :-) The problem is that it's not legal to nest JSP tags that way. Try: That prevents the framework from re-displaying the user's input if the form fails validation. At the risk of repeating myself:

Javascript + Struts tag problem

2005-08-05 Thread Duane Rosengartner
I have the following Javascript primarily used to manipulate a CSS style and make a portion of a form visible. In the process, the achor invoking the JavaScript passes parameters from a table Row(resultset) displayed. In this Row, I have two bean properties declared as Java type Boolean. The toStri

Re: DTOs are evil

2005-08-05 Thread Laurie Harper
Michael Jouravlev wrote: On 8/4/05, Laurie Harper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The idea of a DTO is to encapsulate the persistence logic so that it can be independent of the model representation and business logic, and easily replaceable. I thought that this is the idea of DAO. Oops, typo, I m

Re: {Spam?} Re: [OT] What to choose: Struts, JSF, Shale or Spring

2005-08-05 Thread Craig McClanahan
On 8/5/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thank you for your response, Kevin. I was starting to think that too.. > > However, I went back and listened again to Craig's talk in the serverside > Java Symposium (and that was only in March of this year): > http://www.theserverside.com/

Re: {Spam?} Re: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/apache/struts/action/ActionForm

2005-08-05 Thread GRamani
I agree with Laurie below that (b) is probably the culprit, except I know I have read (on struts.apache.org) that the only place your struts.jar ought to be is in WEB-INF/lib of your web application. If for example other copies are present elsewhere (other than in a web application context) I t

Re: {Spam?} Re: help on plugin and i18n

2005-08-05 Thread GRamani
Hi Anoop, your first note says your error is: "Missing message for key "app.username". So make sure you have a property called app.username in your resources file.. Also, I believe you should put your file in WEB-INF/classes not in WEB-INF... Regards, Geeta "peeths @struts" <[EMAIL PROTECTE

Problems acceding a datasource

2005-08-05 Thread Gonzalez Aleksander
Hi, I have this in struts-congig.xml and here the error i get 5-08-05 13:54:30 StandardContext[/DIDE]Servlet /DIDE threw load() exception javax.servlet.UnavailableException: Parsing error processing resource path

Re: {Spam?} Re: [OT] What to choose: Struts, JSF, Shale or Spring

2005-08-05 Thread GRamani
Thank you for your response, Kevin. I was starting to think that too.. However, I went back and listened again to Craig's talk in the serverside Java Symposium (and that was only in March of this year): http://www.theserverside.com/symposium/presentations.html I understood him to say that usin

Re: Using XHTML and no form name tag

2005-08-05 Thread Laurie Harper
Titi Wangsa wrote: i'm havig problem with struts. i'm using 1.2.7 and i'm using the validator plug-in the problem is when i'm using html:javascript forname= the name attribiute for form is not rendered when however when only is specified, without turning on the xhtml feature, the tag is ren

Re: help on plugin and i18n

2005-08-05 Thread peeths @struts
hi , i have added but still i'm getting the same error , i 've placed the resource files inside WEB-INF folder , how can i recover it . regards Anoop On 5 Aug 2005 05:02:58 -, d d <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > u can download MyEclipse (MyEclipse Enterprise Workbench) from Myeclipseside

Re: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/apache/struts/action/ActionForm

2005-08-05 Thread Laurie Harper
I haven't used WLS much, but this is almost certainly either (a) you don't have the Struts jars in place as you think you do ;-) or (b) there are copies elsewhere on WLS's classpath. Does it have a copy of Struts bundled or something? Try removing struts.jar from WEB-INF/lib. If that changes the

Re: [OT] What to choose: Struts, JSF, Shale or Spring

2005-08-05 Thread Kevin Hinners
My experience with this mailing list is that the Struts-Faces Integration library has been abandoned, at least as far as development and support goes. I never had any success getting responses from anyone on this list. Kevin Hinners Senior Technical Analyst FedEx Services 350 Spectrum Loop Colo

Re: [OT] DTOs are evil

2005-08-05 Thread Larry Meadors
On 8/5/05, Leon Rosenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2005-08-05 at 08:13 -0600, Larry Meadors wrote: > > > > > Who cares? is opacity not the point of Object Oriented-ness? > > > > maybe. But code readability is the more important feature :-) > > leon Agreed, and IMO, the C# version is

Re: [OT] What to choose: Struts, JSF, Shale or Spring

2005-08-05 Thread Dakota Jack
Struts and JSF are apples and oranges. Read Rod Johnson on this. Putting them together in an application will inevitably lead to someone who does know that is going on to realizing that you do not. On 8/5/05, David Thielen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi; > > Ok, that brings up this question.

Re: DTOs are evil

2005-08-05 Thread Dakota Jack
The operative word here is "if". An "if-then" statement says nothing unless the "if" clause is true, which it is not in this case. If you think it is, then, instead of hitchhiking on Rod, please explain how it is. I cannot see the slightest resemblance myself. On 8/3/05, Michael Jouravlev <[EMA

Re: {Spam?} Re: [OT] What to choose: Struts, JSF, Shale or Spring

2005-08-05 Thread GRamani
So is anybody using struts-faces and trying to integrate struts with jsf? Or is that project kind of abandoned now..? Craig McClanahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 08/05/2005 12:18 PM Please respond to "Struts Users Mailing List" To Struts Users Mailing List cc Subject {Spam?} Re: [OT] What to ch

Re: [OT] What to choose: Struts, JSF, Shale or Spring

2005-08-05 Thread Craig McClanahan
On 8/5/05, David Thielen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi; > > Ok, that brings up this question. If we are creating a portlet and it has to > run on every portal, is Shale+JSF as easy to install and portable as just > JSF? Not yet ... but that's a definite goal. There are still some spots where t

RE: [OT] What to choose: Struts, JSF, Shale or Spring

2005-08-05 Thread David Thielen
Hi; Ok, that brings up this question. If we are creating a portlet and it has to run on every portal, is Shale+JSF as easy to install and portable as just JSF? We're willing to live with more pain during development to make the final product as easy as possible to install and totally portable. An

Re: [OT] What to choose: Struts, JSF, Shale or Spring

2005-08-05 Thread Craig McClanahan
On 8/4/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Gurus, > > Sorry for the OT. > I have been working on jsp/servlets for a last four years to create web > pages. Now that I have found out there is more out there, I am in a dilemma. > Which one should I learn and why? I have a big w

Re: [OT] DTOs are evil

2005-08-05 Thread Larry Meadors
On 8/5/05, Leon Rosenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2005-08-05 at 08:13 -0600, Larry Meadors wrote: > > > > > Who cares? is opacity not the point of Object Oriented-ness? > > > > maybe. But code readability is the more important feature :-) > > leon Agreed, and IMO, the C# version is

Re: [OT] DTOs are evil

2005-08-05 Thread Larry Meadors
Agreed. /me shudders... Larry On 8/5/05, Dave Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Daniel Perry wrote: > > >you can do that without the getter/setter in java as MyProperty is public. > > > > > Public properties--now _that_ is evil! > > Dave > > > > --

Re: [OT] DTOs are evil

2005-08-05 Thread Michael Jouravlev
On 8/5/05, Leon Rosenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2005-08-04 at 17:05 -0700, Michael Jouravlev wrote: > > You mean, separate view from the business object, not from the data? > > ;-) Anyway, I am not sure that this separation is needed, unless view > > layer is developed by an evil thi

Re: Struts documentattion

2005-08-05 Thread Wendy Smoak
From: "Ayusman dikshit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Where can I find struts documentation same as HTML format javadoc for java SDKs Which I can download and refer as I need. Assuming you're working with Struts 1.2.7 or prior, the distribution will have included 'struts-documentation.war' in the 'weba

Re: [OT] DTOs are evil

2005-08-05 Thread Dave Newton
Daniel Perry wrote: you can do that without the getter/setter in java as MyProperty is public. Public properties--now _that_ is evil! Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMA

Re: [OT] DTOs are evil

2005-08-05 Thread Dave Newton
Leon Rosenberg wrote: On Fri, 2005-08-05 at 08:13 -0600, Larry Meadors wrote: Who cares? is opacity not the point of Object Oriented-ness? maybe. But code readability is the more important feature :-) If I'm reading the code and see a property access all I need to know is that I'm acce

RE: [OT] What to choose: Struts, JSF, Shale or Spring

2005-08-05 Thread David Thielen
Hi; I'm still a newbie to JSF so take this with a grain of salt. JSF is a lot like the Mac - you have to do things it's way but if you can fit within it's paradigm, it works very very well. - dave David Thielen 303-499-2544 www.windwardreports.com -Original Message- From: Ted Husted [

Re: Struts documentattion

2005-08-05 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
Your one-stop shopping destination: http://struts.apache.org/ Specifically, the User's Guide: http://struts.apache.org/userGuide/index.html And the Struts Javadocs (probably what you were looking for): http://struts.apache.org/api/index.html Note that these links always point to the most rece

Re: {Spam?} Re: Struts documentattion

2005-08-05 Thread GRamani
Here you go: http://struts.apache.org/api/ (you could also google..:) regards, Geeta "Ayusman dikshit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 08/05/2005 11:33 AM Please respond to "Struts Users Mailing List" To "Struts Users Mailing List" cc Subject {Spam?} Re: Struts documentattion Hi All, I am a

Re: Struts documentattion

2005-08-05 Thread Ayusman dikshit
Hi All, I am a new bee. Where can I find struts documentation same as HTML format javadoc for java SDKs Which I can download and refer as I need. Please suggest. Ayusman CAUTION - Disclaimer * This e-mail contains PRIVILEGED AND CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION intended

Displaying links to Actions while integrating using struts-faces

2005-08-05 Thread GRamani
Hi all: I am using struts-faces to integrate my Struts+Tiles app with faces and am following pretty much the advice in "Best of Both worlds" article here: http://www.oracle.com/technology/pub/articles/masterj2ee/j2ee_wk8.html Here's my question: My left nav bar contents is menu.jsp and has a bu

Re: [OT] DTOs are evil

2005-08-05 Thread Frank W. Zammetti
I would personally tend to agree the C# syntax is cleaner... but I don't think the difference is all that big frankly and it probably comes down to a matter of developer proference rather than what's actually "better" in some way. They both functionally *DO* the same thing though... your executing

Re: [OT] DTOs are evil

2005-08-05 Thread Leon Rosenberg
On Fri, 2005-08-05 at 08:13 -0600, Larry Meadors wrote: > > Who cares? is opacity not the point of Object Oriented-ness? > maybe. But code readability is the more important feature :-) leon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL

Re: [OT] DTOs are evil

2005-08-05 Thread Larry Meadors
On 8/5/05, Leon Rosenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2005-08-05 at 07:18 -0600, Larry Meadors wrote: > > You don't see it?!? Have you looked? > > > > As a self-professed Java bigot, I will readily admit that C# has a > > *way* better sytax for defining and using properties that I wish Jav

RE: [OT] DTOs are evil

2005-08-05 Thread Daniel Perry
eh? you can do that without the getter/setter in java as MyProperty is public. Daniel. > -Original Message- > From: Larry Meadors [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 05 August 2005 14:18 > To: Struts Users Mailing List > Subject: Re: [OT] DTOs are evil > > > You don't see it?!? Have you lo

Re: [OT] DTOs are evil

2005-08-05 Thread Leon Rosenberg
On Fri, 2005-08-05 at 07:18 -0600, Larry Meadors wrote: > You don't see it?!? Have you looked? > > As a self-professed Java bigot, I will readily admit that C# has a > *way* better sytax for defining and using properties that I wish Java > would implement (or even better - improve upon). > > publ

Re: [OT] DTOs are evil

2005-08-05 Thread Larry Meadors
You don't see it?!? Have you looked? As a self-professed Java bigot, I will readily admit that C# has a *way* better sytax for defining and using properties that I wish Java would implement (or even better - improve upon). public string MyProperty { get { return myProperty; } set

Re: [OT] DTOs are evil

2005-08-05 Thread Bill Schneider
P.S. By the way, Rod Johnson also said persistent objects that contain only getters and setters are evil too (same page as dto, 27). In my understanding it means hibernate and ibatis which use such objects are at least as evil? How are you supposed to represent data anyway then? the issue is not

in struts

2005-08-05 Thread Senthilrajan VS
Hi all, I am using and using collections. I want to put into this. Is it possible to have using . Thanks & Regards, SenthilRajan VS

Re: [OT] What to choose: Struts, JSF, Shale or Spring

2005-08-05 Thread Ted Husted
A good starting point would be Mastering JavaServer Faces, which does a good job of comparing Struts, JSF, and Swing in the context of introducing JSF. * http://opensource.atlassian.com/confluence/oss/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=278 My favorite book for Struts newbies is Struts for Dummies *

RE: DTOs are evil

2005-08-05 Thread Daniel Perry
> employeeDAO.updateEmployee( employee ); > > From what I recall the real OO way would be... > > employee.update(); > > and employee takes care of updating itself. > I made a BaseBO using OJB, which has the create, update, softDelete, hardDelete, findById, findByCriteria methods. It also has an

Re: [OT][FRIDAY] The 'Jakarta' of Javascript?

2005-08-05 Thread Emmanouil Batsis
Laurie Harper wrote: When it comes to server-side Java components and libraries, I generally find most of what I need at Jakarta or elsewhere at Apache; it's certainly one of the first places I always look. Is there a 'Jakarta' of client-side components? Some folks have been working on JSA

MultipartRequest and form population after validation failed

2005-08-05 Thread Franz-Josef Herpers
Hi, I've a little problem with form population after a multipart request's file size exceeded. What I do is testing the file size of an uploaded file in the validate method of a form: public ActionErrors validate(ActionMapping mapping, HttpServletRequest reque

Re: [OT] DTOs are evil

2005-08-05 Thread Leon Rosenberg
On Thu, 2005-08-04 at 17:05 -0700, Michael Jouravlev wrote: > On 8/4/05, Leon Rosenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Each software system (which is large enough...) has more then one layer. > > Different layers usually handles same data. Each of the layers has ist own > > view on the data. The bu

Re: Showing a PDF inside a JSP

2005-08-05 Thread Gareth Evans
This works really well, we have our own reporting application that generates xml, from the interface you can generate a pdf on the fly using xsl-fo via a struts action that writes to the response and returns null; The nice thing about using xsl-fo is that you can switch the stylesheet to a gnum

Re: Showing a PDF inside a JSP

2005-08-05 Thread Jeroen Kransen
I have never worked with PDF, but I hear that XSL-FO can be translated into PDF easily. Have you people ever considered keeping the document in XSL-FO and then fork it where one path converts it into PDF where you need it and the other path converts it into (X)HTML with which you can do anythin

Web Islands: good usage of Struts Front Controller

2005-08-05 Thread Michael Jouravlev
If someone cares, I wrote a piece on web islands, which are essentially multi-state multi-page resources. http://www.jroller.com/page/javadujour?entry=islands - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e