RE: Doing Ant builds

2009-06-12 Thread Martin Gainty
9/10 when you cant accomplish what is seemingly the simplest task in maven everyone (even the senior engineers) say run an ant task http://maven.apache.org/plugins/maven-antrun-plugin/ whatever build environment you're implement ANT is what every build engineer starts with BTW: CruiseControl, NA

Re: Doing Ant builds

2009-06-12 Thread Eric Fetzer
The thing with a mature opensource product is that you get better support than anywhere on the planet.  This is because the people supporting you are also using the product.  They like their own lives to be good as well... From: Michael Ludwig To: Ant Users L

Re: Doing Ant builds

2009-06-12 Thread Eric Fetzer
I wasn't dis'ing Ant.  I was comparing Ant in the Java World or NAnt in the .NET world to Batch files. From: Dominique Devienne To: Ant Users List Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 12:43:38 PM Subject: Re: Doing Ant builds On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Eric Fe

Re: Doing Ant builds

2009-06-12 Thread Dominique Devienne
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Michael Ludwig wrote: > Steve Loughran schrieb am 12.06.2009 um 11:49:48 (+0100): >> we do strive to be more declarative than fully procedural languages, >> we don't have loops and so lack full turing-equivalence. There are >> also limits to what you can do in java

Re: Doing Ant builds

2009-06-12 Thread Michael Ludwig
Steve Loughran schrieb am 12.06.2009 um 11:49:48 (+0100): > we do strive to be more declarative than fully procedural languages, > we don't have loops and so lack full turing-equivalence. There are > also limits to what you can do in java I think I can take this to mean "in Ant extensions (writte

Re: Replacing build.xml with Build.java - Doing Ant builds directly from Java

2009-06-12 Thread Michael Ludwig
Ashley Williams schrieb am 12.06.2009 um 10:56:37 (+0100): > From my personal experience I've always found it to be the case that > it's only a matter of time before the build code not only requires > logic, but also needs to be accessible from the application - strange > as that may sound. Unify

Re: Doing Ant builds

2009-06-12 Thread Michael Ludwig
Dominique Devienne schrieb am 12.06.2009 um 13:43:38 (-0500): > There are many good alternatives to Ant out there, some better even > most likely, but Ant has a community, tool / IDE support, and books to > still make it relevant despite its many flaws. It's momentum has > definitely slowed mind y

Re: Doing Ant builds

2009-06-12 Thread Michael Ludwig
David Weintraub schrieb am 12.06.2009 um 12:22:52 (-0400): > Ant and Make do two things that Batch scripts cannot do: > > 1). Dependency Matrix calculations > 2). Build Avoidance Good summary! > Now to answer other questions: Why XML for Ant? > > XML is a very flexible tool since you can easil

Re: Doing Ant builds

2009-06-12 Thread Michael Ludwig
Steve Loughran schrieb am 12.06.2009 um 11:49:48 (+0100): > Ant is a language primarily for Java projects. Basing it on Java is > not just an ideological purity game, but the only way to get at those > internal bits of the JDK in the same process. all the original JDK > library tasks: javac, javad

Re: Doing Ant builds

2009-06-12 Thread Dominique Devienne
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Eric Fetzer wrote: > "solution files" - if you're building .NET, go look at NAnt instead of Ant. > The difference is similar to that of a Volkswagon Beetle vs. Rolls Royce... Me think in the end more Beetles were sold, for far more total money, than Rolls Royce's

Re: Doing Ant builds

2009-06-12 Thread Eric Fetzer
"solution files" - if you're building .NET, go look at NAnt instead of Ant.  The difference is similar to that of a Volkswagon Beetle vs. Rolls Royce... From: "Ina, Antoine" To: Ant Users List Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 11:58:37 AM Subject: RE: Doing Ant b

Re: Doing Ant builds

2009-06-12 Thread David Weintraub
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Ina, Antoine wrote: > I am posing a general question about Ant vs Make vs Batch: > 1- What is advantage of Ant script over regular Batch script that calls up > the solution files for all the projects in your system tree of projects(for > Windows platform) Ant an

Re: Doing Ant builds

2009-06-12 Thread Steve Loughran
Michael Ludwig wrote: Ina, Antoine schrieb am 11.06.2009 um 19:58:37 (+0200): I am posing a general question about Ant vs Make vs Batch: 1- What is advantage of Ant script over regular Batch script that calls up the solution files for all the projects in your system tree of projects(for Windows

Re: Replacing build.xml with Build.java - Doing Ant builds directly from Java

2009-06-12 Thread Steve Loughran
Michael Ludwig wrote: Ashley Williams schrieb am 11.06.2009 um 17:51:45 (+0100): // create the ant parent project Project project = new Project(); project.setName("project"); project.init(); // create the child targ

Re: Replacing build.xml with Build.java - Doing Ant builds directly from Java

2009-06-12 Thread Ashley Williams
Michael, You are right what you see is nasty ;) however I deliberately inlined the code for clarity. In practice I actually abstract most of it into helper classes which is really easy to do and you can mostly get away with code like this: new UntarTask(src, dest).execute(); // execute sing

AW: AW: ant 1.7.1 bug in with antcall !?

2009-06-12 Thread Grimm, Markus
Hi Gilbert, I think this could be the appropriate issue in the bug database: https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=41368 So it doesn't seem to be fixed in the current ant release ?! But there's a patch to fix the problem, too ... Thanks, Markus -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-