Re: What if....

2013-01-29 Thread Paul Hibbert
On 2013-01-28, at 11:40 PM, Thierry Douez wrote: > which with my little understanding they should not (case 1 should be true) ! Sorry, just re-read your reply and realised I skipped this, if false or true and false then Condition 1 (if false) returns false Condition 2 (true AND false) also r

Re: good practise on handling menues on Mac?

2013-01-29 Thread Paul Hibbert
To follow up… I fired up Parallels for some experimenting on Windows and found out that the "Set as stack Menu bar" check box in the Menu Builder does have an effect on the Menubar, at least on Win 7. It adds a background decoration to the Menubar, but that only shows for the width of the Menub

AW: good practise on handling menues on Mac?

2013-01-29 Thread Tiemo Hollmann TB
Thank you Paul for sharing your experiences, I will give it a try. Tiemo > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag > von Paul Hibbert > Gesendet: Dienstag, 29. Januar 2013 09:12 > An: How to use LiveCode > Betreff: Re: good p

Re: What if....

2013-01-29 Thread Thierry Douez
2013/1/29 Paul Hibbert Sorry, just re-read your reply and realised I skipped this, > At last, I get it. My concern was not about how you write the if in LC, but about the evaluation of the logical expressions, the order of precedence and commutativity. Obviously, I was wrong. case 1 and case

Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Heather Laine
Dear List Members, We are hugely excited to be launching this project today: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode Join our campaign to make a full version of LiveCode that is free and open for everybody to use. We are doing this via a Kickstarter fundr

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Richmond
On 29/01/13 11:35, Heather Laine wrote: Dear List Members, We are hugely excited to be launching this project today: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode Join our campaign to make a full version of LiveCode that is free and open for everybody to use.

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Monte Goulding
Well I think that's probably the most expensive shirt I'll ever buy but I can't wait to get it. Good work RunRev! > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Mark Schonewille
Dear Heather, This sound really, really interesting. Could you please explain how this would be free for everyone except professionals under GPL 3? AFAIK, open source means free (as in free speech) for everyone, including professionals. Are you using your own version of the GPL? -- Best regard

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Dirk prive
Dual license. See MySQL for an example of this. Free for everyone, but needs commercial license for commercial use. No need for a seperate version of the GPL, it's dual licensed. PS: professionals are probably able to use it for free under GPL3 as well as long as they release their source code und

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Kevin Miller
Hi Mark, It is GPL3, we are not modifying the license. It will be free for a wide variety of professional uses (e.g. in house software) but there are some you will need to pay for, such as creating closed source software to sell or accessing technical support. See the FAQ page link on the Kickstar

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Björnke von Gierke
The new licensing will be a dual license. You're not allowed to make closed source software with the open source version. In theory, you could probably make commercial software, if you ship it with the source code as well as the GPL license. But then you're creating open source software, not com

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Monte Goulding
On 29/01/2013, at 8:52 PM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > This sound really, really interesting. Could you please explain how this > would be free for everyone except professionals under GPL 3? AFAIK, open > source means free (as in free speech) for everyone, including professionals. I'm sure Hea

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Heather Laine
Dear Mark, We will be offering a dual license. You can use the GPL license and release your source code, or you can purchase a commercial license and continue to publish closed source apps. Regards, Heather On 29 Jan 2013, at 09:52, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Dear Heather, > > This sound re

AW: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Tiemo Hollmann TB
Perhaps I didn't cared too much about open source and GPL3 in the past and I don't understand it correct, but could somebody explain to me, what the benefit for runrev is on this project, beside getting glory and honor? How can runrev survive, if a great bunch of developers go to gpl and don't pay

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Björnke von Gierke
The idea is to get a lot more open source using customers compared to the user base right now. That should also increasing the commercial versions sold greatly. They'll probably change the store to include other, upscale versions of licenses. For example mySQL doesn't even have a price. You call

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Monte Goulding
A little warning folks. You need to manually add the shipping if your outside the UK. Kickstarter doesn't do it for you. If you've already pledged you can go back in and adjust it. Just a thought... @RunRev have you considered having pickup at the conference as an option? Cheers Monte -- Mon

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Kevin Miller
We haven't put it in but I don't see any reason not to allow that - just drop us a line if that's what you want to do. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Unleash Your Killer App On 29/01/2013 10:36, "Monte Goulding" wrote: >A little warni

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Björnke von Gierke
Weird, it added it for me.. it probably has a db of ip-locations, and yours isn't in it? On 29.01.2013, at 11:36, Monte Goulding wrote: > A little warning folks. You need to manually add the shipping if your outside > the UK. Kickstarter doesn't do it for you. If you've already pledged you can

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Monte Goulding
On 29/01/2013, at 9:43 PM, Björnke von Gierke wrote: > Weird, it added it for me.. it probably has a db of ip-locations, and yours > isn't in it? Lol.. Taswhere? -- Monte Goulding M E R Goulding - software development services mergExt - There's an external for that!

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Björnke von Gierke
On 29.01.2013, at 11:44, Monte Goulding wrote: > On 29/01/2013, at 9:43 PM, Björnke von Gierke wrote: > >> Weird, it added it for me.. it probably has a db of ip-locations, and yours >> isn't in it? > > Lol.. Taswhere? I'm sorry, i didn't catch what you meant, can you elaborate a bit more?

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Colin Holgate
There is a fee that is automatically added to your pledge, that is identical in amount to the shipping cost. If goodies can be picked up in Edinburgh then I guess that amount could be removed from your pledge. Would be funny though if they reach the goal based on the shipping costs, but with tho

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Monte Goulding
On 29/01/2013, at 9:45 PM, Björnke von Gierke wrote: >>> Weird, it added it for me.. it probably has a db of ip-locations, and yours >>> isn't in it? >> >> Lol.. Taswhere? > > I'm sorry, i didn't catch what you meant, can you elaborate a bit more? I live in Tasmania... -- Monte Goulding M

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Björnke von Gierke
Localisation based on ip address is notoriously hard and failure prone. There's no telling which IP will be recognized correctly, which will be miss-placed and which will be unrecogised. That is also why I hate auto-redirects based on locality so much (besides the fact that they create walled ga

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Monte Goulding
On 29/01/2013, at 9:46 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > There is a fee that is automatically added to your pledge, that is identical > in amount to the shipping cost. If goodies can be picked up in Edinburgh then > I guess that amount could be removed from your pledge. Would be funny though > if th

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Mark Schonewille
Thanks Kevin, that's good to know. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Use Color Converter to convert CMYK, RGB, RAL, XYZ, H.Lab and other colour space

Re: [OSSLC] so far so good...

2013-01-29 Thread Björnke von Gierke
I like graphs: http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode/ mirroring to use, as per previously discussed. On 29.01.2013, at 14:11, Colin Holgate wrote: > This isn't to say that I'm obsessed or anything, but: > > on opencard >checklatest >send "checklat

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Pierre Sahores
Dear Kevin, Heather and Team, Just to say : thanks for being able to purpose this strategic and very courageous double-license paradigm orientation. An announced great success at work. Makes me, again and again, so proud the belong to this incredibly creative dev community. Back to you after my

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread René Micout
News from France : http://www.mac4ever.com/actu/77182_l-outil-de-developpement-livecode-bientot-en-open-source Le 29 janv. 2013 à 11:40, Kevin Miller a écrit : > We haven't put it in but I don't see any reason not to allow that - just > drop us a line if that's what you want to do. > > Kind re

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread David C.
> > We are hugely excited to be launching this project today: > > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode > Hey folks, For existing customers, what is the effective date for requiring that an application be released open sourced versus commercial as usual? A

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Kevin Miller
Yes existing licenses remain the same until the end of their term. Existing perpetual licenses are just that - perpetual. You can see more details in the FAQ http://runrev.com/home/ks1/?preview Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Unleash Your Ki

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Shawn Blc
What about this (see the *bold* area)? I have a commercial license. From what I remember when I purchased it I could create, edit applications and distribute applications for as long as I wanted UNTIL I decided to upgrade. See below. The commercial version will be available as an annual subscri

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread David C.
Thank you very much for the prompt reply, Kevin, ...however, I'm not quite sure that the FAQ addresses my concern, or at least it still seems a bit unclear. >From the FAQ: "We will continue to honor your existing license terms until its expiry date. Once it expires you will be invited to renew wit

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Heather Laine
Dear David, What you own is yours. If you have purchased (say) a LiveCode 4.5 license, under our existing "perpetual" license EULA, that EULA applies to that license. You will always be able to build closed source apps using LiveCode 4.5 (as long as you have hardware that will run it and its fe

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Andrew Kluthe
I had just paid for three years of commercial updates to livecode complete. Will I get the updates I paid for to the new commercial license for that time period? regards, Andrew Kluthe On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Heather Laine wrote: > Dear David, > > What you own is yours. If you have pu

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread David C.
Thank you very much, Heather! ...that is simple and plain enough. Regards, David C. On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Heather Laine wrote: > Dear David, > > What you own is yours. If you have purchased (say) a LiveCode 4.5 license, > under our existing "perpetual" license EULA, that EULA applies

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Shawn Blc
Heather, that answered my question too, however my license is 5.5, which was purchased June 1st, 2012. On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Heather Laine wrote: > Dear David, > > What you own is yours. If you have purchased (say) a LiveCode 4.5 license, > under our existing "perpetual" license EUL

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Kevin Miller
That's correct. Unlike the pay as you go licenses which are essentially software rental, the perpetual license is just that - perpetual. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Unleash Your Killer App On 29/01/2013 15:08, "Shawn Blc" wrote: >W

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Kevin Miller
If it is a perpetual license, as opposed to one of the newer pay as you go licenses, it never expires. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Unleash Your Killer App On 29/01/2013 15:09, "David C." wrote: >Thank you very much for the prompt r

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Colin Holgate
What happens if you did a change of license? Like, if I was perpetual up to version 5.5, but pay as you go from 5.5.1, would I be able to use 5.5, but not 5.5.1? On Jan 29, 2013, at 10:33 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: > >If it is a perpetual license, as opposed to one of the newer pay as you go > l

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Kevin Miller
Yes absolutely. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Unleash Your Killer App On 29/01/2013 15:29, "Andrew Kluthe" wrote: >I had just paid for three years of commercial updates to livecode >complete. Will I get the updates I paid for to the

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Mike Bonner
> > Wow, this will teach me to go to sleep! Kevin, Heather, everyone at runrev > THANK YOU! I'll be seeing what I can scrounge up to help, and will point > the 1 other person I know who might be interested towards the website. > > Thanks! > > ___ use-liv

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Heather Laine
Erm. The question as it stands does not compute Colin :). You can't have 5.5 and not 5.5.1, you always get those minor releases with your major version. However, if we rephrase it, suppose you had a perpetual 5.0 license, but then instead of updating it purchased a PAYG license, what would happe

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread David C.
> Dear List Members, > > We are hugely excited to be launching this project today: > > http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode > To the RunRev team and community, Unless something significant changes in the next few days, current circumstances will not allow

[OT] Just watched Buzz Aldrin on an event here in Brazil

2013-01-29 Thread Andre Garzia
Hey Folks, I am at Campus Party (http://www.campus-party.com.br ) in Brazil and our first speaker today was Buzz Aldrin. He told us his lifes adventures and how a group of dedicated people can join and accomplish marvelous things together. His whole session about collaboration and common goals we

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Colin Holgate
Won't the $499 a year still effectively be a pay as you go license? On Jan 29, 2013, at 11:02 AM, Heather Laine wrote: > >We will be discontinuing the PAYG license types once we go dual license, so > >no new purchases of this will be possible. ___ us

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Kevin Miller
Similar I guess. But you don't need it to start creating your software, only to ship or update closed source. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Unleash Your Killer App On 29/01/2013 17:02, "Colin Holgate" wrote: >Won't the $499 a year st

Kevin probably feels hurt...

2013-01-29 Thread Colin Holgate
I have a script running that tells me where the KickStarter amount is at, and I've been watching for it going over £10k. Well, just now it did that, but went straight to £14,730. The latest pledge was someone who wants to spend two days with Mark. Don't worry Kevin, someone will want you too, I

Re: Kevin probably feels hurt...

2013-01-29 Thread Devin Asay
On Jan 29, 2013, at 10:44 AM, Colin Holgate wrote: > I have a script running that tells me where the KickStarter amount is at, and > I've been watching for it going over £10k. Well, just now it did that, but > went straight to £14,730. The latest pledge was someone who wants to spend > two day

Re: Kevin probably feels hurt...

2013-01-29 Thread Kevin Miller
Haha. Shunned, I know! :) I guess I'm less technically involved these days and our backer wants to talk some serious tech geek. Kind regards, Kevin Kevin Miller ~ ke...@runrev.com ~ http://www.runrev.com/ LiveCode: Unleash Your Killer App On 29/01/2013 18:08, "Devin Asay" wrote: > >On Jan

Re: [OSSLC] so far so good...

2013-01-29 Thread Ben Rubinstein
But what both of you miss by not going direct to the source is seeing names of random backers - I've just seen that Cory Doctorow has backed it, which - if he also blogs it - massively enhances the chances of success. On 29/01/2013 13:15, Björnke von Gierke wrote: I like graphs: http://www.

Re: [OSSLC] so far so good...

2013-01-29 Thread David Bovill
Cory LiveCode? Well I never. On 29 January 2013 18:19, Ben Rubinstein wrote: > But what both of you miss by not going direct to the source is seeing > names of random backers - I've just seen that Cory Doctorow has backed it, > which - if he also blogs it - massively enhances the chances of succ

Re: Kevin probably feels hurt...

2013-01-29 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 1/29/13 12:22 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: Haha. Shunned, I know! :) I guess I'm less technically involved these days and our backer wants to talk some serious tech geek. I want both of you. And you could throw in a few other team members too. :) -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hy

Re: What if....

2013-01-29 Thread Peter M. Brigham
One situation when the order of evaluation is important is if you have conditions that limit the scope of a general handler, eg: if "field" is in the target and the locktext of the target = true then… In this case the first clause is evaluated first, and if the target is something other than a

Re: [OSSLC] so far so good...

2013-01-29 Thread Trevor DeVore
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Ben Rubinstein wrote: > But what both of you miss by not going direct to the source is seeing > names of random backers True. But the pleasant dinging sound in the background that Colin's code provides makes you smile every 5 minutes :-) -- Trevor DeVore Blue

Re: Now illegal to unlock your cellphone (U.S.)

2013-01-29 Thread Robert Sneidar
I was shocked to find out that far fewer people are killed with semi-automatic rifles (called Assault weapons) than with hammers or baseball bats. No one would ever think of even registering who has a hammer or baseball bat! Never mind making them illegal. New laws will solve nothing. If it be

Re: Kevin probably feels hurt...

2013-01-29 Thread Colin Holgate
Ben is up for grabs too. I mean, in general, nothing to do with KickStarter… On Jan 29, 2013, at 1:36 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 1/29/13 12:22 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: >> Haha. Shunned, I know! :) I guess I'm less technically involved these days >> and our backer wants to talk some serious t

iOS: native picker wheel

2013-01-29 Thread Chris Sheffield
I'm aware of mobilePick and, while it works nicely, it's not quite the behavior I want. Does anyone know of a way to get a native picker wheel available in the interface at all times, much like some of the other native controls are? One example of this is Apple's Clock app. If you go to the Tim

Re: Now illegal to unlock your cellphone (U.S.)

2013-01-29 Thread Robert Sneidar
Oh great Jacque! There goes my soapbox! Thanks a lot!!! ;-) Bob On Jan 27, 2013, at 11:23 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > This puts a bit more perspective on it: > > > > -- > Jacqueline Landman Gay ___

Re: Apology for 'Challenging new property inspector'

2013-01-29 Thread Robert Sneidar
I think honest mistakes are recognized as such, but I mainly wanted to prevent even more unwitting emails that may have divulged more than this one did. Bob On Jan 27, 2013, at 1:40 PM, Sumner, Walt wrote: > Hi, folks, I clearly posted a message to the wrong list last week, starting a > bit

Re: Apology for 'Challenging new property inspector'

2013-01-29 Thread Robert Sneidar
Thanks to you guys, all the good rocks are taken. I can only stand here on idiot street and get rained on. Bob On Jan 27, 2013, at 5:32 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > Me too, but I still peep out from under my rock every now and then. > Pete ___ use-l

Re: Kevin probably feels hurt...

2013-01-29 Thread Richard Gaskin
How much do we have to contribute for a day of shopping with Jo as our personal style consultant? Not all of us dress as well as Scott Rossi. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World LiveCode training and consulting: http://www.fourthworld.com Webzine for LiveCode developers: http://www.LiveCodeJourn

Re: Kevin probably feels hurt...

2013-01-29 Thread Andre Garzia
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > How much do we have to contribute for a day of shopping with Jo as our > personal style consultant? I must say that the day that Jo took me shopping in the U.K. for a suit was wonderful and that suit is the best and prettiest suit I have e

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Robert Sneidar
I hear the devil's from there. Bob On Jan 29, 2013, at 2:48 AM, Monte Goulding wrote: > > On 29/01/2013, at 9:45 PM, Björnke von Gierke wrote: > Weird, it added it for me.. it probably has a db of ip-locations, and yours isn't in it? >>> >>> Lol.. Taswhere? >> >> I'm sorry, i d

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Robert Sneidar
There's a perpetual license?? How do I get one of those?? Bob On Jan 29, 2013, at 6:52 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: > Yes existing licenses remain the same until the end of their term. > Existing perpetual licenses are just that - perpetual. You can see more > details in the FAQ http://runrev.com/ho

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Robert Sneidar
Oh never mind I already have that!! I thot it meant Lifetime Renewal! I would probably have gone for that! Bob On Jan 29, 2013, at 7:32 AM, Kevin Miller wrote: > That's correct. Unlike the pay as you go licenses which are essentially > software rental, the perpetual license is just that - per

Re: What if....

2013-01-29 Thread Robert Sneidar
Yes. You can do stuff in between the conditionals in example 2 whereas you cannot in example one. Bob On Jan 27, 2013, at 10:39 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: > Musings about complex if statements on this Sunday morning > > Lets say you have a complex if statement with 4 conditions that must a

Re: What if....

2013-01-29 Thread Robert Sneidar
Doesn't matter. It's like saying 1 + 2 + (3 + 4). That is why they use + as the AND operator in boolean logic. Bob On Jan 27, 2013, at 10:39 AM, Peter Haworth wrote: > The manual says the grouping operator (parens) has the highest precedence > so does this mean (cond3 and cond4) will be evalu

Re: What if....

2013-01-29 Thread Robert Sneidar
I should rephrase that. If condition 1 and/or 2 involve long time consuming evaluations, there would be an advantage the putting conditions 3 and 4 in parens, since they would be evaluated first, saving time in some instances. But the way to do that is put your time consuming evaluations last wh

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Shawn Blc
If we keep on this track our KS project will be over £700,000! Awesome! Being a little optimistic here ---> Looking forward to being part of the largest funded KS project ever! On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 1:41 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote: > Oh never mind I already have that!! I thot it mean

Re: What if....

2013-01-29 Thread Robert Sneidar
False 1! False 2! Got it 3! Got it 4! Off the top of my head. Bob On Jan 28, 2013, at 4:36 AM, Thierry Douez wrote: > Hi Peter, > > 2013/1/27 Peter Haworth > >> Musings about complex if statements on this Sunday morning... >> >> if cond1 and cond2 and cond3 and cond4 then. >> >> if c

Re: What if....

2013-01-29 Thread Robert Sneidar
It's order of precedence. AND before OR. Bob On Jan 28, 2013, at 9:33 PM, Thierry Douez wrote: > Hi Jacques, > > Thanks for testing. > > Umm, I don't have the correct answers. > > The first test gives me False, which should be the same > as the fourth case which gives True! > > Or, did I m

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Björnke von Gierke
On 29.01.2013, at 20:54, Shawn Blc wrote: > If we keep on this track our KS project will be over £700,000! Awesome! > > Being a little optimistic here ---> Looking forward to being part of > the largest funded KS project ever! uhm... just saying: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597507

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Shawn Blc
Björnke, it'd be awesome wouldn't it? Talking about being optimistic!!! On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Björnke von Gierke wrote: > > On 29.01.2013, at 20:54, Shawn Blc wrote: > > > If we keep on this track our KS project will be over £700,000! Awesome! > > > > Being a little optimistic h

Re: Kevin probably feels hurt...

2013-01-29 Thread Peter Haworth
Let's make him feel better by putting a link on our web sites to the Kickstarter project. Just added it to my page www.lcsql.com. Pete lcSQL Software On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 10:36 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 1/29/13 12:22 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: > >> Haha. Shunned, I k

Re: What if....

2013-01-29 Thread Robert Sneidar
if false and false or true then becomes: if (false and false) or true then becomes: if false or true then becomes: if true then answer "Got it 4!" You are thinking of false and true as individual statements and they are not. The whole condition is one statement. Or if you like, the ands are

Re: What if....

2013-01-29 Thread Robert Sneidar
I believe if you change that to or, you will throw an error. Or at least you should! Thinking about this, it may be simpler to think of AND comparisons a single expressions and OR comparisons as delimiting multiple expressions. In a SINGLE LOGICAL EXPRESSION evaluation will terminate when a fals

Re: Now illegal to unlock your cellphone (U.S.)

2013-01-29 Thread Peter Haworth
Sorry, but I can't let that pass. Every time the subject of gun control comes up in the press, completely unfounded statements are thrown around by the like of the NRA and others who are against gun control, and the baseball bat/hammer is one of them. According to the FBI 2011 stats, weapons used

Re: Kevin probably feels hurt...

2013-01-29 Thread Robert Sneidar
Both of them together? Hmmm... that will put you out 10,000 quatloos at least! They would probably toss in the other team members as a bonus though. Bob On Jan 29, 2013, at 10:36 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 1/29/13 12:22 PM, Kevin Miller wrote: >> Haha. Shunned, I know! :) I guess I'm less

Re: Kevin probably feels hurt...

2013-01-29 Thread Colin Holgate
Someone did book Kevin soon after I posted my message. Just need someone for Ben now. On Jan 29, 2013, at 3:03 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > Let's make him feel better by putting a link on our web sites to the > Kickstarter project. Just added it to my page www.lcsql.com. __

Re: Kevin probably feels hurt...

2013-01-29 Thread Björnke von Gierke
Ben is the better value to begin with: one extra day for the same price! On 29.01.2013, at 21:18, Colin Holgate wrote: > Someone did book Kevin soon after I posted my message. Just need someone for > Ben now. > > > On Jan 29, 2013, at 3:03 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > >> Let's make him feel be

Re: Apology for 'Challenging new property inspector'

2013-01-29 Thread Mark Wieder
Bob- Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 11:07:28 AM, you wrote: > I think honest mistakes are recognized as such, but I mainly > wanted to prevent even more unwitting emails that may have divulged > more than this one did. ... wait for it ... what? there's more? -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Peter M. Brigham
Is it like the perpetual care arrangements in cemeteries? Does that mean that your descendants get updates forever? -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com http://home.comcast.net/~pmbrig On Jan 29, 2013, at 2:39 PM, Robert Sneidar wrote: > There's a perpetual license?? How do I get one of

Re: Kevin probably feels hurt...

2013-01-29 Thread Mark Wieder
Pete- Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 12:03:29 PM, you wrote: > Let's make him feel better by putting a link on our web sites to the > Kickstarter project. Just added it to my page www.lcsql.com. > Pete > lcSQL Software Brilliant. Now I have some editing to do. -- -Mark Wied

Re: Open Source LiveCode Project

2013-01-29 Thread Robert Sneidar
It's my experience in life that almost nothing is linear. It will be important for all of us to get the word out (which I suppose we should have been doing all along). I have posted on my Facebook page and alerted people at my (former) place of employment. Bob On Jan 29, 2013, at 11:54 AM, S

Re: Kevin probably feels hurt...

2013-01-29 Thread Mark Wieder
Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 10:22:00 AM, Kevin wrote: > Haha. Shunned, I know! :) I guess I'm less technically involved these days > and our backer wants to talk some serious tech geek. Having spent some one-on-one time with Kevin (priceless), I can say that anyone who thinks he's not in the "seri

Re: What if....

2013-01-29 Thread Peter M. Brigham
Well, both "and and "or" expressions are one expression, but you are right that my comment only applies to the "and" operator. The engine is very parsimonious and quits when it has enough info to evaluate the expression. With an expression that is exclusively "ands" the first one that evaluates

Re: [OSSLC] so far so good...

2013-01-29 Thread Mark Wieder
Ben- Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 10:19:39 AM, you wrote: > But what both of you miss by not going direct to the source is seeing names of > random backers - I've just seen that Cory Doctorow has backed it, which - if > he also blogs it - massively enhances the chances of success. Cory backed the

Re: Now illegal to unlock your cellphone (U.S.)

2013-01-29 Thread Robert Sneidar
Peter, I said Assault Weapons, or as some call them Semi-automatic rifles. Handguns are a whole other matter. The majority of handgun murders are committed by known gang members in inner cities. My point is, making guns illegal is not going to stop these people from getting guns, anymore than e

Re: Kevin probably feels hurt...

2013-01-29 Thread Colin Holgate
At the end of the KickStarter process you're invited to post on Twitter and Facebook, which I did. Don't think I'll get as many visits as Pete's home page though! On Jan 29, 2013, at 3:26 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: >> Pete >> lcSQL Software > > Brilliant. Now I have some e

Re: [OSSLC] so far so good...

2013-01-29 Thread Colin Holgate
Note though that the sound only plays if the number has changed. So, it's more of an occasional treat. Not too occasional I hope. On Jan 29, 2013, at 1:52 PM, Trevor DeVore wrote: > >True. But the pleasant dinging sound in the background that Colin's code > provides makes you smile every 5 min

Re: Kevin probably feels hurt...

2013-01-29 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 1/29/13 2:26 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Pete- Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 12:03:29 PM, you wrote: Let's make him feel better by putting a link on our web sites to the Kickstarter project. Just added it to my page www.lcsql.com. Pete lcSQL Software Brilliant. Now I have

Re: [OSSLC] so far so good...

2013-01-29 Thread Trevor DeVore
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 3:54 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > Note though that the sound only plays if the number has changed. So, it's > more of an occasional treat. Not too occasional I hope. The number is changing so quickly I hear beeps almost every check :-) I turned it into a little app I have

Re: Kevin probably feels hurt...

2013-01-29 Thread Mark Wieder
Colin- Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 12:40:08 PM, you wrote: > At the end of the KickStarter process you're invited to post on > Twitter and Facebook, which I did. Don't think I'll get as many > visits as Pete's home page though! Of course, there are still some of us who don't tweet or . I *will*,

Re: [OSSLC] so far so good...

2013-01-29 Thread Ben Rubinstein
On 29/01/2013 20:32, Mark Wieder wrote: Cory backed the project? !!! I've got some time scheduled with him in a couple of weeks, and I know what we'll be talking about. He's an old-time HyperCardist - check out the list of helpful contributors here and see if you recognise any other names...

Re: Kevin probably feels hurt...

2013-01-29 Thread Thierry Douez
Just added it to my home page too... http://sunny-tdz.com Thierry Let's make him feel better by putting a link on our web sites to the > Kickstarter project. Just added it to my page www.lcsql.com. > Pete > ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livec

Re: [OSSLC] so far so good...

2013-01-29 Thread Mark Wieder
Trevor- Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 1:00:36 PM, you wrote: > I turned it into a little app I have running that lists the goal as well as > the percentage of total that has been funded. It has given my laptop new > purpose (project is at 7.3%). Do keep in mind that the way kickstarter works is tha

Re: Kevin probably feels hurt...

2013-01-29 Thread Colin Holgate
Hey, I should join that group! Also, I'll try to dig out my AppleLink address (holgate1 I think), see if that still works… On Jan 29, 2013, at 4:00 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > I *will*, however, post > the url to my ex-Apple linkedin groups. Should generate some interest > that way.

Re: [OSSLC] so far so good...

2013-01-29 Thread Mark Wieder
Ben- Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 1:01:55 PM, you wrote: > If you're in contact, please don't wait for a couple of weeks but encourage > him now to post/tweet about the project - his pledge is worth $X, but > spreading the word via BoingBoing or twitter could be worth an order of > magnitude more.

Re: Kevin probably feels hurt...

2013-01-29 Thread Devin Asay
On Jan 29, 2013, at 1:58 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 1/29/13 2:26 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: >> Pete- >> >> Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 12:03:29 PM, you wrote: >> >>> Let's make him feel better by putting a link on our web sites to the >>> Kickstarter project. Just added it to my page www.lcsql.

Re: Kevin probably feels hurt...

2013-01-29 Thread Colin Holgate
Yes, and Richard posted a message there about KickStarter. On Jan 29, 2013, at 4:25 PM, Devin Asay wrote: > >Anybody still on the HyperCard yahoo group? ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, u

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