Re: What with all it's features and platforms I sometimes forget

2010-12-27 Thread stephen barncard
Exactly. I mean no bad will to our friend Jerry Daniels, but this is the difficulty I have with his amazing Rodeo app builder - it may be too easy! I feel with all the components already made, I'm not really creating anything, but just paint by numbers and hooking it up to data. (actually I find i

Re: What with all it's features and platforms I sometimes forget

2010-12-27 Thread Thomas McGrath III
WOW. I had a great holiday and then came back to a semantic argument over fun as in easy or no effort versus fun as in enjoyable and a delight to do. "It's just so much easier to be good at something you enjoy doing, and it is absolutely possible to find programming fun, even when it's hard."

Re: What with all it's features and platforms I sometimes forget

2010-12-27 Thread Richmond
On 12/27/2010 10:06 AM, Geoff Canyon Rev wrote: On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Richmondwrote: Well; good, effective programming is rarely either EASY or FUN; and more often than not involves a lot of prolonged effort, thought, and hard work. Programming is like playing tennis. I'm sure ther

Re: What with all it's features and platforms I sometimes forget

2010-12-27 Thread Pierre Sahores
Geoff, I really like the way you describe things and follow you on this at 100%. About the second part of your post, i would like to precise that, because its semantic consistent syntax, LC let always us reduce the complexity of our code to its best level (best readability, best execution speed

Re: What with all it's features and platforms I sometimes forget

2010-12-27 Thread Geoff Canyon Rev
On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Richmond wrote: > > Well; good, effective programming is rarely either EASY or FUN; and more > often > than not involves a lot of prolonged effort, thought, and hard work. > Programming is like playing tennis. I'm sure there are professional tennis players who do

Re: What with all it's features and platforms I sometimes forget

2010-12-24 Thread Richmond
On 12/23/2010 11:27 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: Richmond: I don't know, it is much more the process, not the results. It has to be seen as accessable, fun, intuitive, easy, startling. Yes; but to me that sounds like all the cheap crap they rabbit on about everywhere; everything has to be 'fun

RE: What with all it's features and platforms I sometimes forget

2010-12-23 Thread Walt Brown
LiveCode Subject: Re: What with all it's features and platforms I sometimes forget On 12/23/2010 11:18 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: > Tony. > > This is both wonderful and disturbing news. What would it take for the > rest of the world to give LC a fair look? Shackles? Those eye-poppin

Re: What with all it's features and platforms I sometimes forget

2010-12-23 Thread DunbarX
Richmond: I don't know, it is much more the process, not the results. It has to be seen as accessable, fun, intuitive, easy, startling. It also has to be seen as utterly capable; I get that. But those first things first. Craig In a message dated 12/23/10 4:23:12 PM, richmondmathew...@gmail.co

Re: What with all it's features and platforms I sometimes forget

2010-12-23 Thread Richmond
On 12/23/2010 11:18 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: Tony. This is both wonderful and disturbing news. What would it take for the rest of the world to give LC a fair look? Shackles? Those eye-popping gadgets that were placed on Malcom McDowell in "A Clockwork Orange"? Both? Craig ___

Re: What with all it's features and platforms I sometimes forget

2010-12-23 Thread DunbarX
Tony. This is both wonderful and disturbing news. What would it take for the rest of the world to give LC a fair look? Shackles? Those eye-popping gadgets that were placed on Malcom McDowell in "A Clockwork Orange"? Both? Craig ___ use-livecode maili

What with all it's features and platforms I sometimes forget

2010-12-23 Thread Thomas McGrath III
What with all of Live Codes features and platforms I sometimes forget just how powerful it is. I am working on a project that has previously cost two people their jobs (one quit and one was let go). The project is complex and requires 'hacking' into our companies hardware devices to extract per