Agreed. Which brings me back to the point that when the label of a popup menu
is empty there ought to be some default behavior like displaying the tootTip or
a property containing a value the developer can set. I think we are all agreed
that what it ought NOT to do is display the object name. Wo
Hi Bob:
I would propose that empty is not an informative value for a user.
Something like "" or a call to action "Select an option" is
going to be more helpful than an empty line.
Regards,
Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, UX/UI Design
On 7/6/15, 12:55 PM, "Bob Sneidar" wrote:
>
There are all kinds of workarounds for this. What is being discussed is why we
need workarounds in the first place.
Bob S
> On Jul 3, 2015, at 05:25 , David Epstein wrote:
>
> “Set the label of button myBtn to space” makes an option button appear blank
> but does not interfere with a user’s
New copier device. Popup menu of manufacturers. I want user to explicitly pick
a manufacturer, not just ignore the manufacturer that is there. I set it to
empty and then check for empty before saving the data.
Bob S
On Jul 2, 2015, at 20:07 , Kay C Lan
mailto:lan.kc.macm...@gmail.com>> wrote:
“Set the label of button myBtn to space” makes an option button appear blank
but does not interfere with a user’s subsequent choice of an option.
While disabling the button or hiding the button are other ways of making clear
that no option is in effect, an able but blank option button means that
I still can't invisage a situation where you'd want an empty option button.
If in Peter's example the first btn was a list of customers, and the second
button was a list of their invoices, if a customer has no invoices their
name shouldn't appear in the first button.
If on the the other hand the
Because if you don’t set the label to empty, then the name of the control is
displayed as the default choice. It looks like crap, and irritated me, so as a
quick fix, I set mine to empty as well. There are times when there is no
default choice, that any choice is as viable as the rest.
Bob S
What might be handy is some kind of “useTooltipIfEmpty” property. Then the end
user would not need to parse the text to eliminate the “call to action” from
the real data before working with it, t hen adding the “call to action” back
when done.
Bob S
> On Jul 2, 2015, at 08:28 , Richard Gaski
Don't think you're missing anything. The example of table/column menus
doesn't illustrate the original question I had since it's pretty much
impossible to have a db without tables or a table without column.
Maybe a better example of the empty menu might be one menu with a list of
customers and a
As far as there being a "correct type of control", that's open to endless
debate. :-)
>From what you describe, there doesn't seem to be a need for a call to
action -- this was suggested simply to address the case that a selection
MUST be made for things to work. Since this doesn't seem to be rele
Interesting observation Scott. Makes me wonder if I'm actually using the
correct type of menu.
For example, I might have an option menu which lists the names of tables in
a database and another one that lists the columns in the selected table.
There's no "call to action" in that situation (other
Scott Rossi wrote:
> Often, this type of control has a call to action such as "Choose an
> item", as opposed an indication "No selection". It depends on the
> context of your control.
It does, and I wish more Web designers understood that. ;)
This became popular with form designers where they
Often, this type of control has a call to action such as "Choose an item",
as opposed an indication "No selection". It depends on the context of
your control. If a selection is required in your set up, the call to
action is more communicative. Otherwise, if "No selection" is a valid
selection the
Good point. For lots of reasons, the names of my option menus aren't
suitable for display to a user. Maybe the cleanest thing to do then is, if
the text of the menu is empty, set its label as suggested by Richard. I
like that. Most of the menus in question are under the control of a
behavior so thi
Peter Haworth wrote:
So my technique of setting showname to false if the text is empty is the
only way round this?
Also, you can have a label for an option menu with empty text. Try setting
the text of an option menu to empty, then use the message box to set its
label to some value.
With the
Yep, that's one of the things I've done.
On Thu, Jul 2, 2015, 7:54 AM Randy Hengst wrote:
> Have you tried adding a blank line to the list of options? I’ve done it
> that way before… then just set the menuHistory of that option button to the
> line that is blank.
>
> be well,
> randy
>
> Randy H
Have you tried adding a blank line to the list of options? I’ve done it that
way before… then just set the menuHistory of that option button to the line
that is blank.
be well,
randy
Randy Hengst
www.classroomFocusedSoftware.com
> On Jul 2, 2015, at 9:46 AM, Peter Haworth wrote:
>
> No, I s
So my technique of setting showname to false if the text is empty is the
only way round this?
Also, you can have a label for an option menu with empty text. Try setting
the text of an option menu to empty, then use the message box to set its
label to some value.
On Wed, Jul 1, 2015, 11:18 PM J. L
No, I simply want an option menu with empty text display an empty label,
not its name property. As mentioned in the original post, I do that now by
setting showname to false if the text is empty.
On Wed, Jul 1, 2015, 11:29 PM Kay C Lan wrote:
> Peter,
>
> I agree with the other here that the beh
Peter,
I agree with the other here that the behaviour is as I'd expect and works
the way I want it to.
Can you better explain what it is you are after? Is it you have a button
named "Make a Choice" and it's dynamically filled with 0 to umpteen
choices, but regardless of whats in there, OR what a
On 7/1/2015 8:52 PM, Peter Haworth wrote:
The showName property needs to be true for the the user's selected choice
from, for example, an option menu to be displayed. First problem - that's
the label not the name. But if the text of the menu happens to be empty,
its name is displayed instead of
This happens when the complete text of an option menu is empty, not when a
line of the text is empty.
On Wed, Jul 1, 2015, 8:23 PM wrote:
>
> I am misunderstanding. In an option menu, if I have, say, the second line
> of the text of the button as empty, I get empty in the selected choice.
> Thi
I am misunderstanding. In an option menu, if I have, say, the second line of
the text of the button as empty, I get empty in the selected choice. This has
nothing to do with the name of the button itself, which does not show itself,
nor the state of the show name.
This is the behavior of an
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