Agreed. I didn't mean to imply that because exploitable code is difficult to
sus out, we shouldn't do due diligence in designing things with that in mind in
the first place. I don't think Novell has ever been hacked into from the
outside. It was written ground up with security, especially networ
On 2017-05-19 18:02, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
I don't think it's a matter of programming standards. The methods used
to exploit systems are almost always something you could never have
guessed. Flaws in code can be extremeny difficult to see, as was the
case in the SSL Heartbleed bug.
I don't think it's a matter of programming standards. The methods used to
exploit systems are almost always something you could never have guessed. Flaws
in code can be extremeny difficult to see, as was the case in the SSL
Heartbleed bug. None of the devs saw the bug when it was approved for me
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 6:46 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode
wrote:
>
> I'd at least hope that 'smart cars' software is engineered to a much
> higher standard than other places:
>
Well it may not even be 'smart' cars, even just modern cars may have
problems depending on circumstances. This ar
It is not trivial that the main character in *The Matrix *is a coder.
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> We won't all be absorbed. Some will need to work as slaves in the real
> world.
>
--
Stephen Barncard - Sebastopol Ca. U
On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 10:46 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> Ditto. But I do want a smart home and I've had one for years. We still use
> the older X10/Insteon protocol,
wasn't that the one that had the add with the girl in the flesh-colored
tshirt
We won't all be absorbed. Some will need to work as slaves in the real world.
Bob S
> On May 16, 2017, at 07:54 , Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode
> wrote:
>
> Right before it absorbs us into the machine overlord.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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use-
Agreed.
Bob S
> On May 15, 2017, at 17:23 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
> wrote:
>
> Good thoughts, Kay.
>
> The DDoS last October only reinforced my inherent distrust of IoT devices.
>
> Until we see some enforced security standards, I have no interest in "smart
> cars", "smart TVs"
http://hackaday.com/2017/05/04/google-aiy-artificial-intelligence-yourself/
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> Right before it absorbs us into the machine overlord.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 16, 2017, at 10:45 AM
Right before it absorbs us into the machine overlord.
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 16, 2017, at 10:45 AM, Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode
> wrote:
>
> Mark Waddingan wrote:
>> the fact that there are probably not just billions
>> but trillions of lines of C/C++ code in the world
>> means tha
On 2017-05-16 02:23, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
Until we see some enforced security standards, I have no interest in
"smart cars", "smart TVs" or "smart homes". When I look at those
products I just see one big botnet.
I'd at least hope that 'smart cars' software is engineered to a
On 5/15/17 7:23 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
Until we see some enforced security standards, I have no interest in
"smart cars", "smart TVs" or "smart homes". When I look at those
products I just see one big botnet.
Ditto. But I do want a smart home and I've had one for years. We
Good thoughts, Kay.
The DDoS last October only reinforced my inherent distrust of IoT devices.
Until we see some enforced security standards, I have no interest in
"smart cars", "smart TVs" or "smart homes". When I look at those
products I just see one big botnet.
--
Richard Gaskin
Fourth
On Tue, May 16, 2017 at 3:13 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
wrote:
>
> Might it be (again, we can't know for sure until we talk with each vendor)
> that they simply soldered too little RAM onto the motherboard and provided
> no means of updating the OS because they weren't thinking long-term?
Governments of the world are simply never going to cooperate in this regard. If
they find an advantage they will lock it down then exploit it. The public can
cry out all they want. Governments will simply agree that more needs to be done
to cooperate about this sort of thing, then quietly go a
Mike Kerner wrote:
So back to what happened on Friday, in the western world, firms that have
large investments in large and very expensive pieces of gear (which, I
forgot to mention also carry lead times of 12-18 months in many cases), and
large and very expensive software systems weren't paranoi
So back to what happened on Friday, in the western world, firms that have
large investments in large and very expensive pieces of gear (which, I
forgot to mention also carry lead times of 12-18 months in many cases), and
large and very expensive software systems weren't paranoid enough. I can't
sp
Mike Kerner wrote:
> First and foremost, you might expect M$ to be able to deliver an OS
> that is backward compatible, since they are the 800 lb. gorilla in
> this conversation. They put out the specs that all the hardware
> vendors built to, before they decided to change the rules and go in
>
The 800 lb gorilla would died of a broken thigh-bone because while
a gorilla's height may increase in one dimension, its volume and weight
will increase in
3 dimensions, and its bone cross-section in 2 dimensions, so its
thigh-bones will not
be strong enough to carry its weight: hence King Kong
That happens all the time.
Try getting support for a golfball typewriter . . .
I couldn't get a new monitor for my BBC Master Compact and had to fool
around
with SCART sockets, RGB gubbins and a soldering iron.
But, as King Camp Gillette didn't say, but certainly implied,
planned obsolescence
First and foremost, you might expect M$ to be able to deliver an OS that is
backward compatible, since they are the 800 lb. gorilla in this
conversation. They put out the specs that all the hardware vendors built
to, before they decided to change the rules and go in a direction that
broke everythi
Agreed Richard. And yet, here we are. My Dad for years had to run an old
Windows 98 box because he had purchased devices and DOS applications for
integrating with his radio system which would only talk directly to the device,
and would not access a Windows driver to do it. We pay our money and w
Mike Kerner wrote:
> Unfortunately, there are very expensive pieces of gear that have
> controls on them that for one reason or another cannot be controlled
> by OS's newer than XP. I happen to have one, here. It cost
> $750,000. There is no dealing with the OS issue without replacing
> the co
Unfortunately, there are very expensive pieces of gear that have controls
on them that for one reason or another cannot be controlled by OS's newer
than XP. I happen to have one, here. It cost $750,000. There is no
dealing with the OS issue without replacing the control, and that is also
extreme
David V Glasgow wrote:
> I recently finished a fixed term contract working for a pretty IT
> savvy NHS Trust. The NHS has been forced by central government to
> reallocate IT (and other infrastructure) monies to front line
> services. They are also trapped by legacy software with dependencies
>
On 2017-05-13 16:53, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
" The WannaCry virus only infects machines running Windows"
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-39896393
Err . . . Linux
*cough* Heartbleed *cough* ;)
Mark.
--
Mark Waddingham ~ m...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/
LiveC
On 2017-05-13 19:05, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote:
You cannot send a virus to a BBC because the whole system resides on a
ROM chip!
Not true - if you have any persistent storage attached to a system (e.g.
your winchester disk),
and that system interacts with data which comes from
> On 13 May 2017, at 6:05 pm, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
> wrote:
>
> What I do not understand is how organisations like the British State Health
> System (NHS) cane be so bl**dy stupid to
> rely on Windows, without (obviously) all sorts of safeguards.
I recently finished a fixed te
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Of Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2017 1:05 PM
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Cc: Richmond Mathewson
Subject: Re: WannaCry [OT]
I cannot afford to be smug as my Linux rig (Xubuntu 16.04 64-bit) was hosed
completely about 4 months ago and I only m
Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> What I do not understand is how organisations like the British State
> Health System (NHS) cane be so bl**dy stupid to
> rely on Windows, without (obviously) all sorts of safeguards.
While this specific exploit happened to be Windows-specific, this isn't
really a Wind
I cannot afford to be smug as my Linux rig (Xubuntu 16.04 64-bit) was
hosed completely about 4 months ago and I only
managed to reciver about 5% of my files.
What I do not understand is how organisations like the British State
Health System (NHS) cane be so bl**dy stupid to
rely on Windows, wi
Richmond Mathewson wrote:
> " The WannaCry virus only infects machines running Windows"
>
> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-39896393
>
> Err . . . Linux
While it's true that this particular exploit is dependent on a
Windows-specific vulnerability, this is no time for smugness. There's a
lar
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