Re: Cannot build a standalone application

2012-10-11 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 7:31 PM, Colin Holgate wrote: > A small claim to fame of mine, I was the first person anywhere to be running > System 7 full time. I was using it all the >time from around Alpha 9. The System 7 team themselves were using it full time >from about Alpha 11. I think it was >a

Re: Cannot build a standalone application

2012-10-10 Thread Bob Sneidar
On Oct 10, 2012, at 5:58 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Dr. Hawkins wrote: >> And speaking from experience: the *alpha* release of system 7 was far >> more stable than things coming out of Redmond in the following decades > > I think you hit on a key point there. While Apple does provide some lea

Re: Cannot build a standalone application

2012-10-10 Thread Richard Gaskin
Dr. Hawkins wrote: And speaking from experience: the *alpha* release of system 7 was far more stable than things coming out of Redmond in the following decades I think you hit on a key point there. While Apple does provide some lead time for developers working with preview editions, in terms

Re: Cannot build a standalone application

2012-10-09 Thread Colin Holgate
A small claim to fame of mine, I was the first person anywhere to be running System 7 full time. I was using it all the time from around Alpha 9. The System 7 team themselves were using it full time from about Alpha 11. I think it was around 18 months from the times I was using it until it was a

Re: Cannot build a standalone application

2012-10-09 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 7:46 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: > Apple provides developers with preview releases of Mac OS X and >XCode. That's sufficient to make sure that RAD tools like LiveCode are >up-to-date the day that the next OSX or XCode is released. And speaking from experience: the *alpha*

Re: Cannot build a standalone application

2012-10-09 Thread Mark Schonewille
Jacque, I don't understand why you say you're sure that I don't believe.. etc... as I indeed never suggested anything like that. It is the same as saying that you're sure that I don't think that stone bricks float in water. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Softw

Re: Cannot build a standalone application

2012-10-09 Thread Mark Schonewille
Hi Jacque, As I wrote before, I wanted to express my worries and perhaps share them with others (not you), who might be interested in knowing what I think. I didn't expect an answer from RunRev. If you don't like how I express my thoughts, then don't respond. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille

Re: Cannot build a standalone application

2012-10-09 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 10/9/12 10:47 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: I didn't mean to contact support. I meant to express my worries publicly and no more than that. It's well known the RR team doesn't read this list regularly. I can't think of a reason to post concerns here that only they can answer. -- Jacqueline

Re: Cannot build a standalone application

2012-10-09 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 10/9/12 9:46 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote: Apple provides developers with preview releases of Mac OS X and XCode. That's sufficient to make sure that RAD tools like LiveCode are up-to-date the day that the next OSX or XCode is released. Naturally RR has been working on the next update as each

Re: Cannot build a standalone application

2012-10-09 Thread Sergio Schvarstein
I could find the answer to my last question here: http://forums.runrev.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=12949#p62166 And it works ! My last question: >From the situation description in the LiveCode Forum discussion, there is one >step I don't know how to make: - Copy over the 5.0 SDK file from xCode 4.

Re: Cannot build a standalone application

2012-10-09 Thread Sergio Schvarstein
Thanks for all your answers ! So, it seems that going back to Xcode 4.4 is the best way (… downloading it now) and then wait for the next LC release. >From the situation description in the LiveCode Forum discussion, there is one >step I don't know how to make: - Copy over the 5.0 SDK file from

Re: Cannot build a standalone application

2012-10-09 Thread Mark Schonewille
Richard, If RunRev chooses not to hire extra people to make Apple's preview period sufficient, so be it. It just means that I continue to be very cautious when considering to buy an upgrade or not. Any reasons *you* may come up with to explain why RunRev never seems to be ready when a new versi

Re: Cannot build a standalone application

2012-10-09 Thread Richard Gaskin
Mark Schonewille wrote: > Richard, > > Apple provides developers with preview releases of Mac OS X > and XCode. That's sufficient to make sure that RAD tools like > LiveCode are up-to-date the day that the next OSX or XCode is > released. I'm not in a position to know the details of the scope of

Re: Cannot build a standalone application

2012-10-09 Thread Mark Schonewille
Richard, Apple provides developers with preview releases of Mac OS X and XCode. That's sufficient to make sure that RAD tools like LiveCode are up-to-date the day that the next OSX or XCode is released. Anyway, the point is not to discuss with you whether something is possible or not. The poin

Re: Cannot build a standalone application

2012-10-09 Thread Richard Gaskin
Mark Schonewille wrote: > This worries me. I have a feeling that LiveCode never works with > state-of-the-art technology but that I'm always be using tools > that are obsolete already. When 5.6 or 6.0 appears, we'll have a > new version of XCode already as well as a new version of Android > and a

Re: Cannot build a standalone application

2012-10-09 Thread Guglielmo Braguglia
Hi Mark, developers have the 5.5.3 "release candidate" already from two weeks ... RunRev is working hard to implement the new official release ... ;-) Guglielmo On 09.10.2012 14:48, Mark Schonewille wrote: Hi, This worries me. I have a feeling that LiveCode never works with state-of-the-ar

Re: Cannot build a standalone application

2012-10-09 Thread Mark Schonewille
Hi, This worries me. I have a feeling that LiveCode never works with state-of-the-art technology but that I'm always be using tools that are obsolete already. When 5.6 or 6.0 appears, we'll have a new version of XCode already as well as a new version of Android and again we'll be using old tec

Re: Cannot build a standalone application

2012-10-09 Thread Guglielmo Braguglia
Hi Sergio, .../I've just made the whole Apple upgrades (iOS 6, last Mountain Lion, last Xcode, last LiveCode, etc.)/ ... this is your problem ... :-) The current official LiveCode release (5.5.2) is NOT compatible with Xcode 4.5 ... see this discussion on the forum : http://forums.runrev.com/