Re: What with all it's features and platforms I sometimes forget

2010-12-27 Thread stephen barncard
Exactly. I mean no bad will to our friend Jerry Daniels, but this is the difficulty I have with his amazing Rodeo app builder - it may be too easy! I feel with all the components already made, I'm not really creating anything, but just paint by numbers and hooking it up to data. (actually I find i

Re: What with all it's features and platforms I sometimes forget

2010-12-27 Thread Thomas McGrath III
WOW. I had a great holiday and then came back to a semantic argument over fun as in easy or no effort versus fun as in enjoyable and a delight to do. "It's just so much easier to be good at something you enjoy doing, and it is absolutely possible to find programming fun, even when it's hard."

Re: What with all it's features and platforms I sometimes forget

2010-12-27 Thread Richmond
On 12/27/2010 10:06 AM, Geoff Canyon Rev wrote: On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Richmondwrote: Well; good, effective programming is rarely either EASY or FUN; and more often than not involves a lot of prolonged effort, thought, and hard work. Programming is like playing tennis. I'm sure ther

Re: What with all it's features and platforms I sometimes forget

2010-12-27 Thread Pierre Sahores
Geoff, I really like the way you describe things and follow you on this at 100%. About the second part of your post, i would like to precise that, because its semantic consistent syntax, LC let always us reduce the complexity of our code to its best level (best readability, best execution speed

Re: What with all it's features and platforms I sometimes forget

2010-12-27 Thread Geoff Canyon Rev
On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Richmond wrote: > > Well; good, effective programming is rarely either EASY or FUN; and more > often > than not involves a lot of prolonged effort, thought, and hard work. > Programming is like playing tennis. I'm sure there are professional tennis players who do

Re: What with all it's features and platforms I sometimes forget

2010-12-24 Thread Richmond
On 12/23/2010 11:27 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: Richmond: I don't know, it is much more the process, not the results. It has to be seen as accessable, fun, intuitive, easy, startling. Yes; but to me that sounds like all the cheap crap they rabbit on about everywhere; everything has to be 'fun

RE: What with all it's features and platforms I sometimes forget

2010-12-23 Thread Walt Brown
LiveCode Subject: Re: What with all it's features and platforms I sometimes forget On 12/23/2010 11:18 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: > Tony. > > This is both wonderful and disturbing news. What would it take for the > rest of the world to give LC a fair look? Shackles? Those eye-poppin

Re: What with all it's features and platforms I sometimes forget

2010-12-23 Thread DunbarX
Richmond: I don't know, it is much more the process, not the results. It has to be seen as accessable, fun, intuitive, easy, startling. It also has to be seen as utterly capable; I get that. But those first things first. Craig In a message dated 12/23/10 4:23:12 PM, richmondmathew...@gmail.co

Re: What with all it's features and platforms I sometimes forget

2010-12-23 Thread Richmond
On 12/23/2010 11:18 PM, dunb...@aol.com wrote: Tony. This is both wonderful and disturbing news. What would it take for the rest of the world to give LC a fair look? Shackles? Those eye-popping gadgets that were placed on Malcom McDowell in "A Clockwork Orange"? Both? Craig ___

Re: What with all it's features and platforms I sometimes forget

2010-12-23 Thread DunbarX
Tony. This is both wonderful and disturbing news. What would it take for the rest of the world to give LC a fair look? Shackles? Those eye-popping gadgets that were placed on Malcom McDowell in "A Clockwork Orange"? Both? Craig ___ use-livecode maili