Re: Morality, Honesty and Legality

2012-09-12 Thread Bob Sneidar
Ain't that the truth. So often a company will let their product die rather than admit their policies were outdated or flat out wrong. I have seen awesome software titles go the way of the dodo because people on the inside refused to change directions when the ship was approaching the shoals. Oh

Re: Morality, Honesty and Legality

2012-09-12 Thread Bob Sneidar
It's not "dodging" if there is a door there to walk through. Tax dodging refers to not paying taxes you are required to pay, and then running away from the people who are trying to catch you, I think. Bob On Sep 12, 2012, at 1:29 AM, Richmond wrote: > Some people may view corporate philanthr

Re: Morality, Honesty and Legality

2012-09-12 Thread Bob Sneidar
Yes, you evil villain! ;-) Bob On Sep 12, 2012, at 1:28 AM, Richmond wrote: > I wonder whether running Mac "Classic" (7,8,9) inside Sheepshaver violates > a EULA ? ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to

Re: Morality, Honesty and Legality

2012-09-12 Thread Bob Sneidar
People who want to change the world scare me. If you mean "make the world a better place" I'm more inclined to go along with that, but usually "change the world" means "make it into the world I think ought to be" and some very, very bad people in history fall into this category. Bob On Sep 1

Re: Morality, Honesty and Legality

2012-09-12 Thread Roger Eller
On Apple hardware, or non-Apple HW? Sheepshaver was around for Mac, Win, Linux, and Amiga since way back when. There were debates about it even then. Since there were no intel Macs, the Mac version only ran well on the higher-end Quadra, but could use a ROM from a IIci, etc. The consensus of th

Re: Morality, Honesty and Legality

2012-09-12 Thread Kay C Lan
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Richmond wrote: > 6. One of the real problems (and it is more philosophical than either > legal or moral) is what > constitutes possession. > > 6.1. I have a Snow Leopard install disk on the desk next to me as I type > this, and its contents >(i.e. the

Re: Morality, Honesty and Legality

2012-09-12 Thread Richmond
On 09/12/2012 05:08 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Like EULA terms, corporate philanthropy may also be a feature some folks look for when selecting their vendors. And as a moral and ethical issue, it's one I hold very strongly against a corporatio

Re: Morality, Honesty and Legality

2012-09-12 Thread Richmond
I wonder whether running Mac "Classic" (7,8,9) inside Sheepshaver violates a EULA ? ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runre

Re: Morality, Honesty and Legality

2012-09-11 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Like EULA terms, corporate philanthropy may also be a feature some folks > look for when selecting their vendors. And as a moral and ethical issue, it's one I hold very strongly against a corporation when investing. Return the money to the

Re: Morality, Honesty and Legality

2012-09-11 Thread Richard Gaskin
Roger Eller wrote: I'm sure they give large sums of money to some very good causes, but why not go all out and make a difference by really changing the world instead of paying all those lawyers to take down Samsung? Ok, this one is definitely over the top, and also naive, but wouldn't it be a wo

Re: Morality, Honesty and Legality

2012-09-11 Thread Roger Eller
EULAs aside, I wonder what stand Apple takes on higher-level ethics and morality, looking at themselves as an entity capable of making a significant difference in this world. In this article, there could be a genuine opportunity for Apple to apply some of massive resources toward curing at least o

Re: Morality, Honesty and Legality

2012-09-11 Thread Richard Gaskin
Peter Alcibiades wrote: Richard, where I would differ is in the view that there are two choices: use and agree, or use something else. It may be that there are sound ethical reasons for simply not accepting the wishes of the creator or owner. I suppose there are a great many ways to view thi

Re: Morality, Honesty and Legality

2012-09-11 Thread Bob Sneidar
Someone made the point, and I think I agree, that this is not an ethical issue. It may make bad business sense, or may have legal implications, but it goes a bit too far to call it an ethical violation. But maybe we mean different things when we use "ethical". On Sep 11, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Pe

Re: Morality, Honesty and Legality

2012-09-11 Thread Peter Alcibiades
not. I think its the same thing. Peter -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Morality-Honesty-and-Legality-tp4654802p4654846.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ use

Re: Morality, Honesty and Legality

2012-09-11 Thread Richard Gaskin
Bob Sneidar wrote: > On Sep 11, 2012, at 7:09 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > >> I can't speak to anything related to the "legality" of any EULA, >> but I do believe in one ethical priority: the intent of the creator >> of a work. >> >> The act of creating anything is a special human endeavor, and a

Re: Morality, Honesty and Legality

2012-09-11 Thread Bob Sneidar
On Sep 11, 2012, at 7:09 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > I can't speak to anything related to the "legality" of any EULA, but I do > believe in one ethical priority: the intent of the creator of a work. > > The act of creating anything is a special human endeavor, and as such in my > book it's sa

Re: Morality, Honesty and Legality

2012-09-11 Thread Richard Gaskin
I can't speak to anything related to the "legality" of any EULA, but I do believe in one ethical priority: the intent of the creator of a work. The act of creating anything is a special human endeavor, and as such in my book it's sacred. Once a work is created, the creator must, IMNSHO, reta

Re: Morality, Honesty and Legality

2012-09-11 Thread René Micout
Hello again, When you go to cinema you buy a ticket, you see the movie, but when you go out you cannot sell or give your ticket to another person (you can do that but this person cannot see the movie with it)... René Le 11 sept. 2012 à 14:05, René Micout a écrit : > > Le 11 sept. 2012 à 11:50

Re: Morality, Honesty and Legality

2012-09-11 Thread René Micout
Le 11 sept. 2012 à 11:50, Richmond a écrit : > I own a copy of RunRev Dreamwriter for Mac (2.6.1) which I no longer use . . . > > Am I permitted to hand it on (either GIVE or SELL) it to somebody else? > > Just as, say, I can hand on the cup of coffee. Hello Richmond, You purchased a "copy" o

Morality, Honesty and Legality

2012-09-11 Thread Richmond
Do not always coincide. Consider the following: 1. I bought a Snow Leopard install disk (i.e. I don't use stolen software). 2. I have installed Snow Leopard in VMplayer on a non-Apple machine, and told the Use-List about this; this is a form of honesty (e.g. not pretending I am running