Re: Learning by... Avoiding mistakes (Richard Gaskin)

2013-03-25 Thread AcidJazz
ch versus other more traditional approaches. Mark -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Re-Learning-by-Avoiding-mistakes-Richard-Gaskin-tp4662575p4662582.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archiv

Re: Learning by... Avoiding mistakes (Richard Gaskin)

2013-03-25 Thread Keith Clarke
Mind Manager http://www.mindjet.com/products/ has been my go to 'problem dissection' tool for the last 15 years or so. I use this instead of 3x5s for pretty much every problem, brain-storming session, research activity, workshop meta-planning session, project plan, etc. It's much richer than F

Re: Learning by... Avoiding mistakes (Richard Gaskin)

2013-03-25 Thread Thierry Douez
2013/3/25 Ronald Zellner > > Has anyone here tried using "Mind-mapping" software for development? > > I use it for big projects and more I do it by hand (which has a meaning with this technic) ! Thierry ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@list

Re: Learning by... Avoiding mistakes (Richard Gaskin)

2013-03-25 Thread Ronald Zellner
Starting in the 70s I often had students (psychology & educational psychology courses) map out the course content using 3x5 cards and newsprint as a way of fully understanding the concepts and interrelationships. I continued that technique in educational technology areas but gravitated to Mind-

Re: Learning by... Avoiding mistakes

2013-03-24 Thread Phil Davis
Richard, I would love to see a (YouTube?) video of you or Mark or someone doing the planning thing with note cards. I have never done it but it sounds like a good way to go. I too gave up flowcharting years ago for most projects, but sometimes I still run into something that demands that kind

Re: Learning by... Avoiding mistakes

2013-03-24 Thread Francis Nugent Dixon
Hi from Beautiful Brittany, Cal Horner wrote : > How many of you use programming flowcharts to prove your answer before you > actually begin to code ? I gave up writing flowcharts 40 years ago (it was mandatory when I was a programmer), and I admit that a flowchart is 90 % of program development

Re: Learning by... Avoiding mistakes

2013-03-24 Thread Richard Gaskin
Mark Wieder wrote: Richard- Sunday, March 24, 2013, 10:25:59 AM, you wrote: Some of the most productive time I spend in development is with 3x5 cards spread out on the floor, representing function points or UI elements, looking for the flow and patterns between them. To someone I do the ind

Re: Learning by... Avoiding mistakes

2013-03-24 Thread Mark Wieder
Richard- Sunday, March 24, 2013, 10:25:59 AM, you wrote: > Some of the most productive time I spend in development is with 3x5 > cards spread out on the floor, representing function points or UI > elements, looking for the flow and patterns between them. To someone I do the index card thing, s

Re: Learning by... Avoiding mistakes

2013-03-24 Thread Richard Gaskin
Jerry Jensen wrote: > I recently did a job where I had to poll two asynchronous serial > ports. Timing had to be somewhat interlocked. Some input was response > to stuff I sent, including verifying echos, and some was volunteered > by the devices. I really really needed that flowchart. As I was >

Re: Learning by... Avoiding mistakes

2013-03-24 Thread Robert Sneidar
Flowcharts are for sissies! ;-) j/k. I never use them because nothing I develop is that complicated. Bob On Mar 23, 2013, at 4:09 PM, Cal Horner wrote: > My two cents worth. > > I must admit I hadn't been following this thread but on a fine Sunday > morning while catching up on correspondenc

Re: Learning by... Avoiding mistakes

2013-03-24 Thread Richmond
On 03/24/2013 02:35 AM, Mark Wieder wrote: Cal- Saturday, March 23, 2013, 4:09:34 PM, you wrote: How many of you use programming flowcharts to prove your answer before you actually begin to code? Where flowcharting starts to fall apart though, is with asynchronous events - you end up with loo

Re: Learning by... Avoiding mistakes

2013-03-23 Thread Peter Haworth
Time used to was that flowcharts were essential. Talking about the days of punched cards/paper tape and overnight compiles. If you screwed something up, another day goes by before you could fix it so you really needed to pay attention. I still do flowcharts but just scribbles on pieces of paper

Re: Learning by... Avoiding mistakes

2013-03-23 Thread Jerry Jensen
On Mar 23, 2013, at 5:35 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Cal- > > Saturday, March 23, 2013, 4:09:34 PM, you wrote: > >> How many of you use programming flowcharts to prove your answer before you >> actually begin to code? > > Where flowcharting starts to fall apart though, is with asynchronous > even

Re: Learning by... Avoiding mistakes

2013-03-23 Thread Mark Wieder
Cal- Saturday, March 23, 2013, 4:09:34 PM, you wrote: > How many of you use programming flowcharts to prove your answer before you > actually begin to code? Where flowcharting starts to fall apart though, is with asynchronous events - you end up with loosely-coupled pieces of flowcharts. -- -M

Re: Learning by... Avoiding mistakes

2013-03-23 Thread Cal Horner
My two cents worth. I must admit I hadn't been following this thread but on a fine Sunday morning while catching up on correspondence I found out a long time ago the best way for me to avoid mistakes was by following that principle of engineering. The rule of modeling my answer of the system

Re: Learning by... avoiding mistakes

2013-03-18 Thread Peter M. Brigham
s observation (aka story of my life): > > Good judgment comes from experience; > Experience comes from bad judgment. > > :-) > Phil Davis > > > On 3/18/13 12:17 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: >> Alejandro Tejada writes: >> >>> I was checking in Amazon

Re: Learning by... avoiding mistakes

2013-03-18 Thread Alejandro Tejada
everyone and, from my point of view, it is itself a mistake... :( Al -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/Learning-by-avoiding-mistakes-tp4662291p4662317.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com

Re: Learning by... avoiding mistakes

2013-03-18 Thread Phil Davis
I love Mark Twain's observation (aka story of my life): Good judgment comes from experience; Experience comes from bad judgment. :-) Phil Davis On 3/18/13 12:17 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: Alejandro Tejada writes: I was checking in Amazon the impressive collection of books about learni

Re: Learning by... avoiding mistakes

2013-03-18 Thread Mark Wieder
J. Landman Gay writes: > I won't tell you the dumbest thing I ever did. But I'll tell you what I > did 3 days ago and maybe you'll think that's the dumbest thing I ever did. Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new. -- Albert Einstein. -- Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftw

Re: Learning by... avoiding mistakes

2013-03-18 Thread Mark Wieder
Alejandro Tejada writes: > I was checking in Amazon the impressive collection > of books about learning by avoiding mistakes: I would counter that making mistakes is the best way to learn. -- Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net ___ use-li

Re: Learning by... avoiding mistakes

2013-03-17 Thread Peter Haworth
For me, that would be a multi-volume tome! Pete lcSQL Software <http://www.lcsql.com> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: > Hi all, > > I was checking in Amazon the impressive collection > of books about learning by avoiding mistakes: > > >

Re: Learning by... avoiding mistakes

2013-03-17 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 3/17/13 2:49 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: Did anyone in this mail list, keep a detailed account of their own programming mistakes and The methods used to solved them? I won't tell you the dumbest thing I ever did. But I'll tell you what I did 3 days ago and maybe you'll think that's the dum

Re: Learning by... avoiding mistakes

2013-03-17 Thread Richmond
On 03/17/2013 09:49 PM, Alejandro Tejada wrote: Hi all, I was checking in Amazon the impressive collection of books about learning by avoiding mistakes: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_pg_1?rh=n%3A283155%2Ck%3Amistake%2Cn%3A%211000%2Cn%3A5&bbn=1000&keywords=mistake&ie=UTF8&qid

Learning by... avoiding mistakes

2013-03-17 Thread Alejandro Tejada
Hi all, I was checking in Amazon the impressive collection of books about learning by avoiding mistakes: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_pg_1?rh=n%3A283155%2Ck%3Amistake%2Cn%3A%211000%2Cn%3A5&bbn=1000&keywords=mistake&ie=UTF8&qid=1363544059 For example: Safe C++: How to avoid