Re: [OT] Cultural differences (was Re: Defining Pet Features and Essentials)

On Feb 13, 2014, at 6:12 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: > I'm certainly glad a smile is a smile and a laugh is a laugh the world > over. I was reading somewhere recently (can't find it) that another > universal, almost bordering on language, is the 'Uh' response. i.e. I don't > understand, I don't compre

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For comparison/a look at what's possible, check out Julia: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_(programming_language) It has some feature overlap with LC, and compiles to be comparable with C on many performance measurements. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 13, 2014, at 11:37 PM, Ender Nafi Ele

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Geoff: > I just tested python on an ipad and it took about 30 seconds for fib(33). 30 seconds for Python, you say; my, my, the plot’s getting thicker and thicker. I tested with Livecode just now for an up-to-date comparison. It’s 11 seconds for that base algorithm on iPhone 5S; and 437 *micro* s

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Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 13, 2014, at 3:13 AM, Ender Nafi Elekcioglu > wrote: > > I have used same algorithm both in C and Livecode > and the results were ~29ms. vs ~8seconds. As long as LC is dynamic (not compiled) it is unlikely to be as fast as C. 240x seems large, but I haven't compar

Re: [OT] Cultural differences (was Re: Defining Pet Features and Essentials)

On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 4:14 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > > I almost decided to major in cultural anthropology in college, the field > is so fascinating to me. Humans are a diverse breed, and yet we have far > more in common with each other than we have differences. > > I'm certainly glad a smile i

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Geoff, I had no idea that benchmarking can be done in *nanosecond* level; apparently, using *the long seconds*, it was possible. Thanks for that. However, as excellent code as your script is;  I wasn’t trying to find the fastest recursive fibonacci algorithm neither trying to find a solution for

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Geoff- Wednesday, February 12, 2014, 9:20:32 PM, you wrote: > What's in the array isn't important, really -- it's just a manual form of ... Ah, never mind. I see you're priming the array with a 0 value in the first element and then treating the array as if it's 1-based rather than 0-based. That'

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On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 10:41 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Close. Your first array element is empty. Right answer, though. > What's in the array isn't important, really -- it's just a manual form of the memo feature some languages offer. fibArray[1] is empty, as is fibArray[0], because the function s

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On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 9:48 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote: > 3524578 0.22 > Ha, let me not cheat: on mouseUp clearFib put the long seconds into T get fib(33) put it && the long seconds - T end mouseUp local fibArray function fib N if N = 0 or N = 1 then return N if fibArray[N]

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Geoff- Close. Your first array element is empty. Right answer, though. local fibArray function fib N if (N = 1 or N = 2) then put 1 into fibArray[N] return 1 end if if fibArray[N] is empty then put fib(N-2) + fib(N-1) into fibArray[N] return fibArray[N] end fib on

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On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 6:59 AM, Ender Nafi Elekcioglu < endern...@keehuna.com> wrote: > Try to calculate a recursive fib(33) under 0.5 second > {it's 14 seconds on a brand new Macbook Pro Retina, where it's ~100ms. for > Javascript.} > I'll take that bet: local fibArray function fib N if N

Re: [OT] Cultural differences (was Re: Defining Pet Features and Essentials)

And I am glad this conversation occurred, because it makes us all more  aware. One thing is a disadvantage to you though: your English is so  good that it is easy to forget you live so far away. :)  Jacque, I seriously doubt it but Richmond said that, too; so, I’m about  to believe. By the way, y

RE: [OT] Cultural differences (was Re: Defining Pet Features and Essentials)

3:14 PM To: How to use LiveCode Subject: [OT] Cultural differences (was Re: Defining Pet Features and Essentials) Ender, I marked this as OT because we've gone off-track, but this is fascinating to me and I'm glad your reply was still in my inbox. > Whereas "pig" is cond

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It was on the forum. Worth a look just for the car-accident-rubbernecking value. Craig -Original Message- From: Bob Sneidar To: How to use LiveCode Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2014 3:46 pm Subject: Re: Defining Pet Features and Essentials - Found word(s) remove list in the Text body There

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There was a flame war? And I wasn’t involved??? I’m slipping… Bob On Feb 12, 2014, at 11:48 , dunb...@aol.com wrote: Ender. I was the cause of the previous flame war. Caught me by surprise as well. ___ use-livecode mailing l

[OT] Cultural differences (was Re: Defining Pet Features and Essentials)

Ender, I marked this as OT because we've gone off-track, but this is fascinating to me and I'm glad your reply was still in my inbox. Whereas “pig” is condescending, “ox” means dumb, “dog” is pretty insulting. "Pig" here means dirty, sloppy, unclean, even though pigs are naturally very cle

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something we can all agree needs disciplining. Craig -Original Message- From: Ender Nafi Elekcioglu To: LiveCode Forums Sent: Wed, Feb 12, 2014 2:37 pm Subject: Re: Defining Pet Features and Essentials Once again, I hit that 15kb. barrier. Repeating myself without quoting Jacque’s reply

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Once again, I hit that 15kb. barrier. Repeating myself without quoting Jacque’s reply; I hope this will be short enough for the mail-list :) Hi Jacque, Actually we talked about it in detail with Richmond. I already removed the post from nabble;  pity that I can’t remove it from your individual

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On 12/02/14 21:04, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 2/12/14, 6:48 AM, Ender Nafi Elekcioglu wrote: you should know that calling someone as a dog is a very, very, VERY, VERY harsh, petty, offensive insult in my language & culture. I think it's easy for westerners to forget that, since over here a dog

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On 2/12/14, 6:48 AM, Ender Nafi Elekcioglu wrote: you should know that calling someone as a dog is a very, very, VERY, VERY harsh, petty, offensive insult in my language & culture. I think it's easy for westerners to forget that, since over here a dog is just another animal with no special sig

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On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > Twitter's UI would be well suited for LC's DataGrid. The Datagrid does have a way to request records form the user when needed. I think the property that controls is dgNumberOfRecords, described in Section 9 of the Datagrid manual. It do

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Ender Nafi wrote: Richard: modern limits for object sizes Current object sizes go up to about 32' - how big do you need them? The problem is the limits of group objects, here. 40’ images or graphics are useless most of the time, I know. But groups are must-have for scrolling, both on mobile

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Trevor: So what is my point? I think the purpose of your post is a great one (how  the community can help RunRev focus on what is most important). If you think you can help RunRev better focus their resources, my  suggestion would be to come up with a system for collecting, categorizing,  and mana

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Richard: > Does Livecode not need a revamped url library  It does indeed, on the Roap Map under "Queued".  I don’t know how I missed that; I’ve checked again and yes, it’s right there and it’s excellent news :) Richard: > modern limits for object sizes  Current object sizes go up to about 32'

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Hi Ender, Thanks for bringing up this discussion. Clearly you want the best for LiveCode and that is good. Having discussions on what is "most important" can often be frustrating as everyone has different experiences and opinions. Just a couple of things I would like to mention after having read t

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Ender Nafi asked: > Does Livecode not need a revamped url library It does indeed, on the Roap Map under "Queued". > modern limits for object sizes Current object sizes go up to about 32' - how big do you need them? > an engine with enough horsepower for the year 2014 not for 2002? Always a f

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Against my intentions and alongside my predictions, this thread got far away from its subject. I sincerely apologize for that. I study Objective-C with my fellow co-worker when I’m able to find time and I can’t desist from thinking that how an inefficient language it is. Livecode with its simplic

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code@lists.runrev.com Subject:  Re: Defining Pet Features and Essentials So, before jumping up and going "Woof, Woof" in such a way, it is  perhaps not a bad thing to think about what word such as 'objective', 'standard' and 'ratings' mean.

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On 12/02/14 12:48, Ender Nafi Elekcioglu wrote: Part 2: These are not my subjective opinions; look at this table: http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html No; they are not your subjective opinions; they are somebody else's subjective opinions, which they are trying t

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On 12/02/14 12:47, Ender Nafi Elekcioglu wrote: Part 1: I knew that this thread will turn into a technical help topic :/ Folks, please don’t get me wrong, my intention is far from being rude. I’m not trying to solve a particular issue, here. Check the subject line, please. I know I’m the *new

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Part 2: These are not my subjective opinions; look at this table:  http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html Where is Livecode? I want to see Livecode, there; I honestly do. And I’m willing to do anything I can to put Livecode into that page. EDIT just before posting the me

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Part 1: I knew that this thread will turn into a technical help topic :/ Folks,  please don’t get me wrong, my intention is far from being rude. I’m not trying to solve a particular issue, here. Check the subject line, please. I know I’m the *new guy*  and I’ve noticed that whenever someone rela

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Have you tried 'load URL' on mobile? For non blocking downloads? Sent from my iPhone > On 12 Feb 2014, at 03:17, Ender Nafi Elekcioglu wrote: > > Gerry hi, > > Apparently I couldn’t express myself clearly, > please excuse my lack of linguistic proficiency. > > By *updating UI*, I didn’t mean

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Gerry hi, Apparently I couldn’t express myself clearly,  please excuse my lack of linguistic proficiency. By *updating UI*, I didn’t mean giving visual feedback to the user, which I’m already using; I meant responding to user’s interactions like tap, scroll, pinch, etc. and act accordingly as op

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And here it is with 2 files downloading concurrently: http://quick.as/yn6aiq18 Gerry On 12 Feb 2014, at 12:38 pm, Gerry Orkin wrote: > Ender wrote: > >> One cannot update the UI while pulling the content from the server. > > Er, yes you can. I'm doing it. > > Here's a screencast of it in

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Ender wrote: > One cannot update the UI while pulling the content from the server. Er, yes you can. I'm doing it. Here's a screencast of it in action: http://quick.as/qyvjtr47 g ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please

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Kevin, My point was, RunRev shouldn’t lose its focus. We are programmers, after all; somethings should be done by us. No need to be lazy. You should provide us what we can't achieve by ourselves. Raw performance,  unicode,  a modern set of commands to interact with servers, an up-to-date graphics

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There must be a way we can serve you better here. That specific case defies belief - it does not cost that amount of money to produce that feature, nothing like it. Our development team is highly trained and very, very efficient these days. Its just too small to defocus from delivering the KS goals

Defining Pet Features and Essentials

This was part of another topic, but I didn’t want to digress it, so opened a new thread.  I think the issue is important as customers have an effect on the future roadmaps of companies.  People wanted *theming* and *resolution independence*, RunRev provided it.  Nobody seems to care about size c