On 9/24/20 12:09 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
My original goal was to get the canonical version directly from LC somehow.
Neville Smythe contacted me privately with this brilliant solution, posted here
with his consent:
function stripAccents pInput
local tDecomposed
local tS
That's what I was hoping for when I started this thread, and it was
suggested (without the ID) a while back, but then I'd need another lookup
table. Probably one for each language.
My original goal was to get the canonical version directly from LC somehow.
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You could even decide that, rather than strip out non-ascii characters,
you would convert (reduce?) each one to a canonical equivalent (where
there is one), and hence instead of
l’Académie française---> lAcadmiefranaise_1234.livecode
it would become
l’Académie française---> lAcademi
That's what I was thinking. So the filename for " l’Académie française" might
becomes something like lAcadmiefranaise_1234.livecode. Kind of readable, but
guaranteed unique. (And also allows identifying the database record from the
filename if that is needed.)
(Apologies if this appears twic
I'm pretty sure each record has an ID. This would be for ensuring unique
file names, right?
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On September 24, 2020 2:00:50 AM Dave Cragg via use-livecode
wrote:
Jacqueline,
You said earl
It's all automated already except for the uploading. The file organization
on AWS is complex and the stacks don't all go in the same place.
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On September 23, 2020 4:53:36 PM Richard Gaskin via
Jacqueline,
You said earlier you don't have a field in the database for the file name. But
does the database table have a unique numerical ID field for each record? If
so, could you strip out the non-ASCII characters and then append the numerical
ID to the file name?
> On 23 Sep 2020, at 20:
On 9/23/20 4:50 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
Heh. Now you understand why I didn't want another lookup table.
:)
OTOH, one of the cardinal rules of data design is *not* to use real data
as an index into data. YMMV.
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Heh. Now you understand why I didn't want another lookup table.
:)
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On September 23, 2020 5:27:06 PM Mark Wieder via use-livecode
wrote:
On 9/22/20 11:10 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-liveco
On 9/22/20 11:10 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
There's more to it than that; the server runs a cron job hourly that
indexes all its files and creates AWS secure URLs for each. The app
downloads that lookup file on demand. When the user selects a name from
a list, the selection is
FYI I have a rudimentary document storage system developed where I can “check
out” a document from my app so that no one else can check it out, which
downloads the file from it’s repository into a temp folder. The user can then
edit or work with the file, then check it in. It RETAINS the version
For an ongoing need like that on a substantial project, I'd automate it:
She works on her master copy, then presses a button. Done.
The button saves the stack, copies it to the munged name, and uploads it
for her, even verifying the integrity of the upload afterward (machines
don't mind the e
Hi Jacq,
Since you don't do Chinese then I think what I suggested would work except
for bulgarian and other non latin alphabets. (which you could use a
translation table for).
It also is compatible with all the previous names as the extract and
tagging on the end will only happen with new unico
On 9/23/20 1:26 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
My only suggestion was to change how the existing munger works to satisfy the two problem areas
identified: that names not be too long, and that any munger not remove so many characters as to
make the file name non-unique or empty.
The
Yes I understand that I was thinking of using the method for something I need.
Bob S
On Sep 23, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
No lookup table is needed at all if the relationship between the original
string and the resulting m
On 9/23/20 1:47 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
But so far I haven't read anything requiring this to work in both directions. Did I miss
something? Does she also rely on an unmunger function?
No, you're correct, I only need the conversion to go one-way. The cron job creates complex
No lookup table is needed at all if the relationship between the
original string and the resulting munged file name never needs to also
work the other direction.
If bidirectional derivation is needed, given the limitations imposed by
AWS' naming limitations I would see no way to avoid requirin
Understood, but if it were reversible, it would eliminate the necessity of a
lookup table as an intermediary.
Bob S
> On Sep 23, 2020, at 11:26 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
> wrote:
>
> If I understand her problem correctly, file identification need only be in
> one direction.
>
>
If I understand her problem correctly, file identification need only be
in one direction.
As far as I can tell from the description, everything that needs to
determine which file to access does so by using a string from which the
hashed file name can be derived.
That she already has a munger
Will binaryEncode get you back to the filename?
Bob S
On Sep 23, 2020, at 8:03 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
J. Landman Gay write:
> I'm looking for a way to create non-unicode file names
> based on the string that comes out of the database.
Duh. That was a stupid question. How do you get back to the filename?
Bob S
On Sep 23, 2020, at 8:08 AM, Bob Sneidar
mailto:bobsnei...@iotecdigital.com>> wrote:
Will binaryEncode get you back to the filename?
Bob S
On Sep 23, 2020, at 8:03 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
mailto:use-liv
J. Landman Gay write:
> I'm looking for a way to create non-unicode file names
> based on the string that comes out of the database.
Ah, public clouds...
Amazon's S3 docs say just encoding in UTF-8 should suffice, but then
they also list a lot of characters they consider "special", but common
You could extract the filename part of the path returned by tempfile() and use
that anywhere. That would require something to track the visible name linked to
the stored filename tho’.
Bob S
On Sep 22, 2020, at 11:10 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> w
On 9/22/2020 6:48 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
I have a stack with an index. When a user clicks a line, a handler
uses the clicktext to create a file name which is always the clicktext
plus the ".livecode" extension. The stack is then downloaded from an
AWS server and displayed.
Assuming all the languages are latin type alphabets (no chinese, Japanese ,
Sanskrit ;-) ) (but see later for a fix?)
I would replace the charactes like the E with umlout/cedilla and other
dicritics with the "naked" character but for others that can't remove them
BUT
add to the end of the filenam
What about just converting to UTF8. Wouldn’t that coerce it into ASCII?
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> On Sep 22, 2020, at 3:48 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
> wrote:
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>
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Personally I think deleting everything that is not inwith the ASCII range
is potentially a bit dangerous [suppose ALL the letters
in the title are not inwith the ASCII range], so I would favour using some
sort of lookup table/substitution list. Certainly letters such
as accented 'e' can just be re
On 9/22/20 10:42 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote:
On 9/22/20 7:58 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
Is this just a temporary filename (not long-term storage)?
No, the stacks are uploaded to AWS and remain there, retrieved from the server on request.
There are currently hundre
On 9/22/20 7:58 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
Is this just a temporary filename (not long-term storage)?
No, the stacks are uploaded to AWS and remain there, retrieved from the
server on request. There are currently hundreds of them with more added
frequently. That's why I'm loo
Combining responses:
"NormalizeText" always returns unicode for all four of its variations, so no go. And as Paul
pointed out, if the language is Chinese, deleting all non-ascii characters would leave nothing.
On the other hand, we are only converting to Roman languages right now, so this might
You could easily convert it to HEX but that would
make the file name exactly twice as long.
JB
> On Sep 22, 2020, at 4:43 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
> wrote:
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> There’s a tempname() function??? Ohhh fun!!
>
> Bob S
>
>
> On Sep 22, 2020, at 4:22 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode
> m
There’s a tempname() function??? Ohhh fun!!
Bob S
On Sep 22, 2020, at 4:22 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode
mailto:use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>> wrote:
Can you use tempname() to create and retrieve the stack?
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I have a stack with an
On 9/22/20 3:48 PM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote:
I have a stack with an index. When a user clicks a line, a handler uses
the clicktext to create a file name which is always the clicktext plus
the ".livecode" extension. The stack is then downloaded from an AWS
server and displayed.
W
On 9/22/2020 6:58 PM, Devin Asay via use-livecode wrote:
But it that doesn’t help, and if nobody ever sees the filenames, why not just
loop through the string and delete anything that’s not in ASCII range?
Well, if the name is in Chinese, you would delete the entire name.
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Hi Jacque,
Have you looked at the normalizeText function? I’m not sure that would help,
but maybe it’s a start.
But it that doesn’t help, and if nobody ever sees the filenames, why not just
loop through the string and delete anything that’s not in ASCII range?
Devin
> On Sep 22, 2020, at 4:48
I have a stack with an index. When a user clicks a line, a handler uses the clicktext to create
a file name which is always the clicktext plus the ".livecode" extension. The stack is then
downloaded from an AWS server and displayed.
We are now translating some stacks to other languages which re
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