Re: [OT] The problem with programming and how to fix it

Wait we might be onto something here! Make programming reference materials out of edible paper, like the stuff they wrap japanese candy in. Then as you read each page, you eat it! Bob S > On Aug 6, 2018, at 15:18 , Mark Waddingham via use-livecode > wrote: > > On 2018-08-06 21:49, Richard

Re: [OT] The problem with programming and how to fix it

Huh. That's about the time I stopped using in it. I kept upgrading Supercard for years telling myself I would get back into it, but never really did. I was fully immersed in Foxpro at that point because my employer used SBT, which was written in Foxpro. Bob S > On Aug 6, 2018, at 11:26 , Ric

Re: [OT] The problem with programming and how to fix it

> On Aug 6, 2018, at 3:18 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode > wrote: > > Although I think I digested Toolbook's reference guide / dictionary at some > point (by reading, not by actually eating and digesting!). An artist friend of mine attempted to _eat_ the Guiness Book of World Records.

Re: [OT] The problem with programming and how to fix it

On 2018-08-06 21:49, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: Mark Waddingham wrote: I think it might be quite unique amongst x-talks in another way too... How much of any of the others were written in themselves? Not many. Toolbook, Gain Momentum, and SuperCard are the only ones I can think

Re: [OT] The problem with programming and how to fix it

Mark Waddingham wrote: > I think it might be quite unique amongst x-talks in another way too... > > How much of any of the others were written in themselves? Not many. Toolbook, Gain Momentum, and SuperCard are the only ones I can think of beyond LC that had enough confidence in their tooling

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I think it might be quite unique amongst x-talks in another way too... How much of any of the others were written in themselves? Mark. Sent from my iPhone > On 6 Aug 2018, at 13:26, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode > wrote: > > It isn't. SuperCard is available exclusively for macOS. There w

Re: [OT] The problem with programming and how to fix it

Oh, Yes, ToolBook . . I had to work with ToolBook in 1998 when I was at the UAE University in Al Ain, UAE, making EFL "stuff". Far, far less easy-going than HyperCard. Sheikh Yer-Bomboms, the chancellor of the University (a man who was pointed on merit: the merit of being one of the sons of

Re: [OT] The problem with programming and how to fix it

It isn't. SuperCard is available exclusively for macOS. There was an effort in the mid-90s to port to Windows, but funding dried up before it was completed so no useful version ever saw the light of day. Toolbook is also single-platform, Windows-only. But most of the others were cross-platfo

Re: [OT] The problem with programming and how to fix it

On 08/06/2018 10:26 AM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote: 3. The state of the art suggests we're a long way from anything close to the Singularity: Google Translate’s AI starts talking about the end of the world

Re: [OT] The problem with programming and how to fix it

How "multi" is SuperCard? Richmond. On 6/8/2018 6:47 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: Except for Supercard. Bob S On Aug 5, 2018, at 13:40 , Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode wrote: LiveCode is multiplatform and this single fact set it apart from all previous x-talk languages. _

Re: [OT] The problem with programming and how to fix it

Mark Waddingham wrote: > However the reason google search can do that is because some > programmer at google has added a hook which knows that when that > pattern is searched for it should call a program that has been > explicitly written which looks up the current exchange rate and > then render

Re: [OT] The problem with programming and how to fix it

But that too is an illusion. The mysterious servers are not really "learning". They are taking input and then processing it according to rules that a group of software developer somewhere defined. That's why the "A" in "AI" means "Artificial". I think (and therefore I am) we need to keep this fo

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These are great points. This is why I say that computers don't *actually* do anything. All they do is arrange information in a way that humans can understand and act upon. That human may be a software developer who then feeds that information to a manufacturing device to build a widget. Or it ma

Re: [OT] The problem with programming and how to fix it

Except for Supercard. Bob S > On Aug 5, 2018, at 13:40 , Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode > wrote: > > LiveCode is multiplatform and this single fact > set it apart from all previous x-talk languages. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@l

Re: [OT] The problem with programming and how to fix it

Mark Wieder wrote: > Dang. And I was *so* waiting around for LC11. We already have revSpeak, so I could wait a few years for the command revListen :-D http://docs.runrev.com/Command/revSpeak Al ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.c

Re: [OT] The problem with programming and how to fix it

On 08/05/2018 01:48 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote: How are all these artifical intelligence assistants, and various drivers needed for the various forms of input you suggest built? I don't think there are any magic beans around you can plant to have them appear... Dang. And I w

Re: [OT] The problem with programming and how to fix it

Hi Mark, > H - I think that is missing the point about what the > current 'AI' technologies that exist actually do (as far as > I can see anyway - I'd be more than happy to be > proved wrong!)... Well, the point is that all current AI technologies requires an internet connection to work and A

Re: [OT] The problem with programming and how to fix it

Oh, Dear, Mark, I think you've just fallen into my trap . . . If you've lost sight of something, you . . . Sorry about that; just too hard to resist. --- " "enabling millions of novices to build simple applications" " -- Although, to be fair that's not the problem. What might be the problem

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H - I think that is missing the point about what the current 'AI' technologies that exist actually do (as far as I can see anyway - I'd be more than happy to be proved wrong!)... They are merely mappings from one form input to another form of input - they themselves don't do any action - th

Re: [OT] The problem with programming and how to fix it

Hi Mark, > Lost sight of what? If I understand Richmond correctly, he is talking that for many developers the name HyperCard is synonymy with "vastly easier and more accessible programming" and that RunRev could have taken advantage of this for positioning LiveCode among other development platfor

Re: [OT] The problem with programming and how to fix it

On 2018-08-05 22:40, Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode wrote: In my humble opinion, the future of programming would be driven by artificial intelligence assistants and multiple ways of working and interfacing with the computer using voice, gaze interaction, gesture, motion, pointer, keyboard, etc

Re: [OT] The problem with programming and how to fix it

On 2018-08-05 21:49, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote: Who said LiveCode lost sight of that? Oh, it was me. Lost sight of what? Mark. -- Mark Waddingham ~ m...@livecode.com ~ http://www.livecode.com/ LiveCode: Everyone can create apps ___

Re: [OT] The problem with programming and how to fix it

Richmond wrote: > Who said LiveCode lost sight of that? > Oh, it was me. Actually, I understand why RunRev do not want to sell LiveCode as a HyperCard replacement. LiveCode is multiplatform and this single fact set it apart from all previous x-talk languages. In my humble opinion, the future of

Re: [OT] The problem with programming and how to fix it

Who said LiveCode lost sight of that? Oh, it was me. Richmond. On 5/8/2018 10:16 pm, Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode wrote: "Programming could be much much easier most of the time. This unnecessary difficulty wastes the effort of professional programmers, but worse, prevents many people from

[OT] The problem with programming and how to fix it

"Programming could be much much easier most of the time. This unnecessary difficulty wastes the effort of professional programmers, but worse, prevents many people from programming at all. The problem is a nasty hairball of culture and technology and money that is not easily untangled" https://ala