Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

2012-03-27 Thread Peter Alcibiades
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Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

2012-03-26 Thread Richmond
On 03/26/2012 08:44 AM, Warren Samples wrote: On 03/25/2012 12:38 PM, Richmond wrote: I have spent some time playing around with PearOS, and can honestly say "it sucks"; I installed the latest version, Comice OS 4, and gave it only a quick look. While I don't mind if someone likes it, I would

Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

2012-03-25 Thread Warren Samples
On 03/25/2012 12:38 PM, Richmond wrote: I have spent some time playing around with PearOS, and can honestly say "it sucks"; I installed the latest version, Comice OS 4, and gave it only a quick look. While I don't mind if someone likes it, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, especially with h

Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

2012-03-25 Thread Richmond
On 03/26/2012 12:50 AM, Warren Samples wrote: On 03/25/2012 03:13 PM, Warren Samples wrote: :D as I said "heaping spoonfuls of salt" Also applies to all my opinionated advice, highly biased - and definitely not representative of anyone else's experience - no matter how much I try to make i

Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

2012-03-25 Thread Roger Eller
On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Richmond wrote: > As a Mac-o-philiac I have spent some time playing around with PearOS, > and can honestly say "it sucks"; > > it being neither one thing nor the other. > > Richmond Mathewson. I am an advocate for simplicity when it comes to choosing a familiar O

Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

2012-03-25 Thread Warren Samples
On 03/25/2012 03:13 PM, Warren Samples wrote: :D as I said "heaping spoonfuls of salt" Also applies to all my opinionated advice, highly biased - and definitely not representative of anyone else's experience - no matter how much I try to make it appear otherwise ;) Warren ___

Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

2012-03-25 Thread Warren Samples
On 03/25/2012 12:38 PM, Richmond wrote: As a Mac-o-philiac I have spent some time playing around with PearOS, and can honestly say "it sucks"; it being neither one thing nor the other. Also, for Mac types; the initial set up does NOT have desktop icons, and it is a right cough-cough-cough findi

Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

2012-03-25 Thread Richmond
As a Mac-o-philiac I have spent some time playing around with PearOS, and can honestly say "it sucks"; it being neither one thing nor the other. Also, for Mac types; the initial set up does NOT have desktop icons, and it is a right cough-cough-cough finding one's Home folder and so on. The eye-

Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

2012-03-25 Thread Graham Samuel
I am also a big fan of Parallels, especially now they seem to have sorted out access to the Mac's printers. Yesterday I installed Windows 7 on my iMac, running Parallels on top of Lion - this was in addition to XP rather than a replacement, since I need both for testing purposes - and it was ast

Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

2012-03-25 Thread Pete
Thanks Richmond and Warren for the info. I like the idea of using a Linux distro that is somewhat like an OS X interface. Pete On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 8:04 AM, Warren Samples wrote: > On 03/24/2012 06:53 PM, Pete wrote: > >> So now I'm left with the question of which Linux >> distro to go for..

Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

2012-03-25 Thread Warren Samples
On 03/24/2012 06:53 PM, Pete wrote: So now I'm left with the question of which Linux distro to go for Pete More ideas that might interest you :) Since you are mainly working in OS X and I assume you are happy and comfortable working in that interface, you may be interested in a linux

Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

2012-03-25 Thread Richmond
Another thing you might like to think about is running a Linux distro on a second hard-disk or partition in a PC running Windows. If at all possible go for the second hard drive option; I have managed to muck a lot of things up trying to go the second partition route. Some Linux distros are ve

Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

2012-03-24 Thread Warren Samples
On 03/24/2012 06:53 PM, Pete wrote: you can find downloadable, ready to go virtual machine disk images of almost any Linux distro, in current and older versions. Here are some links to preconfigured virtual disk images. http://virtualboxes.org/images/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/virtu

Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

2012-03-24 Thread Warren Samples
On 03/24/2012 09:44 PM, Roger Eller wrote: The easiest way for a beginner is a WUBI installation. You don't need an emulator or virtual box or parallels, etc. Just a PC that is already running Windows. When you install Ubuntu via WUBI, it is just a series of folders on the hard-drive (no dedic

Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

2012-03-24 Thread Roger Eller
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 6:48 PM, Pete wrote: > > I already have a Windows laptop that I only use for testing out the LC apps > I develop on my Mac. I don't really want another computer. It seems like > Apple has just about shut the door on running anything but OS X on their > computers. Can I in

Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

2012-03-24 Thread Warren Samples
On 03/24/2012 06:53 PM, Pete wrote: So now I'm left with the question of which Linux distro to go for FWIW: http://dt.deviantart.com/journal/poll/1202084/ http://enigmacommunity.org/forums/topic/1099-whats-your-favorite-linux-desktop-environment/ http://www.muktware.com/survey/3444/poll

Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

2012-03-24 Thread Warren Samples
On 03/24/2012 06:53 PM, Pete wrote: the VM approach solves the hardware problem. So now I'm left with the question of which Linux distro to go for Pete Since you can test them so easily, I would suggest firstly not to be too anxious about making the "best" decision. You don't have to dec

Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

2012-03-24 Thread Pete
Thanks for all the info Richard. I'm already feeling SO superior to all those morons who don't run Ubuntu! I will probably try out VirtualBox since it's free and probably also a dual boot on my Windows 7 box since the only thing I ever do on Windows is test out LC apps developed on my Mac, althou

Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

2012-03-24 Thread Pete
Thanks Warren. As you and Jacque both pointed out the VM approach solves the hardware problem. So now I'm left with the question of which Linux distro to go for Pete On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Warren Samples wrote: > On 03/24/2012 05:48 PM, Pete wrote: > >> I already have a Windows la

Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

2012-03-24 Thread Pete
Thanks for the reminder Jacque. I had some not-so-grat experiences a few years back running emulators on a Mac so that's coloring my opinion, but they've probably improved a lot since then. Pete On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 4:21 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: > On 3/24/12 5:48 PM, Pete wrote: > > I alrea

Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

2012-03-24 Thread Richard Gaskin
Pete wrote: > Hi Richard, > This thread has been very interesting to me as I'm considering > getting a computer to run Linux. ... > But where do I buy a computer that runs Linux and what version of > Linux (if that's the right term) I need? Every distro has its fans, some quite passionate. Ther

Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

2012-03-24 Thread Warren Samples
On 03/24/2012 05:48 PM, Pete wrote: I already have a Windows laptop that I only use for testing out the LC apps I develop on my Mac. I don't really want another computer. It seems like Apple has just about shut the door on running anything but OS X on their computers. Can I install Linux on my

Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

2012-03-24 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 3/24/12 5:48 PM, Pete wrote: I already have a Windows laptop that I only use for testing out the LC apps I develop on my Mac. I don't really want another computer. It seems like Apple has just about shut the door on running anything but OS X on their computers. Can I install Linux on my Wi

Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

2012-03-24 Thread Pete
Hi Richard, This thread has been very interesting to me as I'm considering getting a computer to run Linux. The problem I'm having is illustrated by the snippet from your post below. I'm a computer savvy person and worked with them most of my working life but I know nothing about Linux and really

Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

2012-03-24 Thread Richard Gaskin
Alejandro Tejada wrote: What did I saw in Linux, that according to my opinion would make it a success? That all Developers were colaborating toward a common goal, instead of competing against each other... As simple like that. I used to feel the same way, quite passionately so. I think my ear

Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

2012-03-24 Thread Alejandro Tejada
erosity of Business, Goverments and Professional developers to fund their projects. Al -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-A-couple-of-links-about-Gnome-and-usability-tp4498147p4502006.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive at

Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

2012-03-23 Thread Richmond
On 03/23/2012 10:37 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote: "Me, I have moved to Fluxbox, because it gets out of the way and stays out. Everyone I support will be moving to xfce over the next few months. With any luck, they will not notice its not Gnome2! Since XFCE allowed transparencies and ic

Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

2012-03-23 Thread Richard Gaskin
Peter Alcibiades wrote: Richard Gaskin wrote Like Tim noted, any user of any current major distro who prefers Gnome 2 can install it and use it. Ubuntu goes so far as to make this a one-click option at login. Richard, I wish that were true, I would simply do it. But its vanishing from th

Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

2012-03-23 Thread Peter Alcibiades
deliver that vision is in fact less usability for a substantial proportion of users. And it has happened not only to gnome, but to kde as well. Peter -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/OT-A-couple-of-links-about-Gnome-and-usability-tp4498147p4

Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

2012-03-23 Thread Richard Gaskin
Like Tim noted, any user of any current major distro who prefers Gnome 2 can install it and use it. Ubuntu goes so far as to make this a one-click option at login. And it's Linux: there are more than a hundred distros to choose from, most of them almost infinitely configurable, so any Linux

Re: [OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

2012-03-23 Thread Tim Jones
All very good points, Peter. I am also an XFCE and OpenWindows (OLVWM in Linux speak) fan. One important distinction to keep in mind here - GNOME is not GTK as KDE is not QT. So long as developers keep that in mind when creating software, the desktop paradigm should not be a concern in delive

[OT] A couple of links about Gnome and usability

2012-03-23 Thread Peter Alcibiades
The first link is to a comprehensive review of Gnome 3, the whole thing being worth reading, but which culminates in the following: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fedora-16-gnome-3-review,3155-16.html The implications for the Gnome-Ubuntu usability project are quite devastating. Basically