Re: [OT] Looking For OS X Troubleshooting Suggestions

I did just now. If you're a conspiracy theorist, these lines, which appear dozens of times, are pretty good: 9/12/12 10:51:46 PMMasterControlProgram connection attempt made. 9/12/12 10:52:25 PMMasterControlProgram ** WE ARE __NOT__ CONNECTED ** I was concerned for a moment until I realiz

Re: [OT] Looking For OS X Troubleshooting Suggestions

On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 1:10 PM, stephen barncard < stephenrevoluti...@barncard.com> wrote: > Scott, I had something like this - and it turned out to be a half working > hard drive. > You could use xBench http://xbench.com/ if you don't have Drive Genius to test your HD speeds. Should be fairly o

Re: [OT] Looking For OS X Troubleshooting Suggestions

Gracie Guglielmo, I just ran this utility also. No major issues found. There may indeed be a deeper hardware problem as mentioned previously. Not fun. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On Sep 12, 2012, at 10:36 PM, Guglielmo Braguglia wrote: > Ciao Scott, > >

Re: [OT] Looking For OS X Troubleshooting Suggestions

Have you looked into the console logs to see if anything interesting shows up? Sent from my iPad On 13 Sep 2012, at 06:07, Scott Rossi wrote: > The Spotlight processes that I read about are mds and mdworker. I haven't > changed anything significant lately (that I think is significant) but th

Re: [OT] Looking For OS X Troubleshooting Suggestions

Ciao Scott, mmm ... Disk Utility is often useless :-( If really you want to repair disk problems, use DiskWarrior (http://www.alsoft.com/diskwarrior/) a little bit expensive, but probably the best disk utility on OSX ! ... saved me many times ;-) Guglielmo On 13.09.2012 06:02, Scott Rossi

Re: [OT] Looking For OS X Troubleshooting Suggestions

Scott, I had something like this - and it turned out to be a half working hard drive. The test said ok but there was some intermittent stuff going on. I ended up starting with a new drive, new install, and the migration assistant which works pretty well these days. In your case restoring means you

Re: [OT] Looking For OS X Troubleshooting Suggestions

The Spotlight processes that I read about are mds and mdworker. I haven't changed anything significant lately (that I think is significant) but the system might think otherwise. I just don't know what else to look for. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On Sep 12

Re: [OT] Looking For OS X Troubleshooting Suggestions

Well, if you have no solution, I'll take your sympathy. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, UX Design On Sep 12, 2012, at 9:16 PM, Terry Judd wrote: > > On 13/09/2012, at 02:02 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > >> Hi List: >> >> Apologies for posting something other than a EULA op

Re: [OT] Looking For OS X Troubleshooting Suggestions

You mean my 20 volume set of Encyclopedia Brittanicas shouldn't be piled on top of the Mini for safe keeping? ( Thanks, might try to see if anything happens if the system is cooled down, but no printed volumes are currently being warehoused on the device. ) Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Direct

Re: [OT] Looking For OS X Troubleshooting Suggestions

On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > The one thing I found online is that the Spotlight > indexing process can sometimes go crazy and intermittently bog down the > processor -- Onyx supposedly allows you to disable this but I'm not certain > this is the problem (not a regular cul

Re: [OT] EULA and legality

On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 11:12 PM, Richmond wrote: > The other day I was pruning fruit trees in our garden in our country villa > here in Bulgaria, > using a ladder I bought (logically enough) in a B & Q store in Dundee, > Scotland. I noticed there was > a sticker attached to it that said "not reco

Re: [OT] Looking For OS X Troubleshooting Suggestions

On 13/09/2012, at 02:02 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: > Hi List: > > Apologies for posting something other than a EULA opinion, but I'm wondering > if someone might have some experience with an OS X system that is throwing > random beachballs all over the place (10.6.8). Scroll a list of files in > th

Re: [OT] Looking For OS X Troubleshooting Suggestions

Temperature? If you think maybe... If you are powering a lot on USB and Firewire, maybe the USB devices should go on a powered hub and the firewire devices should have power plugged in. And take the dictionary off the top of the mini. Dar On Sep 12, 2012, at 10:02 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: >

[OT] Looking For OS X Troubleshooting Suggestions

Hi List: Apologies for posting something other than a EULA opinion, but I'm wondering if someone might have some experience with an OS X system that is throwing random beachballs all over the place (10.6.8). Scroll a list of files in the Finder = beachball; launch an application = beachball; crea

Re: [OT] EULA and legality

The legal situation and any remedies would be quite different. So, yes. Probably that would be OK. It would depend on market share - this is similar to the DRDos situation in Win 3. You would have to argue anti competitive tactics. Its the contractual restriction that probably would not hold u

Re: [OT] EULA and legality

On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Peter Alcibiades < palcibiades-fi...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > I think the restriction on use is fine, because its just a product feature. > Rev is perfectly entitled to have whatever features it wants. > So it would then be perfectly reasonable for Apple to leave th

Re: [OT] EULA and legality

Whew! I wondered what strange interpretation of the wording had I missed. lol ~Roger On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 7:13 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > I looked up other graphics and found one that was just a sign, not > attached to anything, like a tree, and really easy to read, and posted that > instead

Re: [OT] EULA and legality

Richmond On 12 Sep 2012, at 23:03, Richmond wrote: > A bicycle cannot be used to brew coffee, and I am absolutely sure that > anybody claiming that the > fact that their bike cannot be used as a coffee-maker is in some way "unfair" > would be laughed out of court. Are you really absolutely sur

[ANN] lcStackBrowser v1.0.2

Just made this release available at www.lcsql.com/utilities.html. ENHANCEMENTS Added a preference to exclude hidden stacks from the display. Default value is false. Moved the front script to a button in a new stack, lcStackBrowser_FrontScript which is not password protected. This removes the nee

Re: [OT] EULA and legality

I looked up other graphics and found one that was just a sign, not attached to anything, like a tree, and really easy to read, and posted that instead. Bob On Sep 12, 2012, at 3:48 PM, Roger Eller wrote: > What do you mean by a clean version? > > > On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Bob Sneid

Re: [OT] EULA and legality

What do you mean by a clean version? On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 4:38 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > I posted it to Sign Smiles, but a clean version of it. > > On Sep 12, 2012, at 10:53 AM, Richmond wrote: > > On 09/12/2012 08:34 PM, Roger Eller wrote: > >>> No, they are not "happy to abide"; they don't e

Re: Debug and IDE scripts

I'm already doing that. The problem is that the front script is password protected so debug prompts for the password as soon as the engine sends the message before I get a chance to do anything. Pete lcSQL Software On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Bob Sneidar wrote: > O

Re: Debug and IDE scripts

Thanks Mark, I'll give that a try Pete lcSQL Software On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Peter Haworth writes: > > > So I guess my interest is if I can utilize the mechanism by which the IDE > > protects its handlers from being seen by debug for my ow

Re: revGoURL vs Launch URL and multitasking on iPad

On 9/12/12 6:17 AM, stgoldb...@aol.com wrote: Some of the apps I'm working on for iPhone and iPad contain links to specific URLs on the Internet. However, at least on my iPad 1 (Version 5.1.1), when closing the Internet browser, I am not taken back to the original card in the LiveCode app that

Re: Debug and IDE scripts

Peter Haworth writes: > So I guess my interest is if I can utilize the mechanism by which the IDE > protects its handlers from being seen by debug for my own stacks to avoid > this issue. I was hoping perhaps there would be a secret custom property > that told debug to keep out or something like

Re: an ignored breakpoint

On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: > Lets be thankful Revolution has progressed to LiveCode. I don't think I > skinned any cats with 1.1. I skinned a lot with Hypercard 1 & 2, and Supercard 1.5, though . . . and if either SuperCard or Revolution had come out by early 94 for the pc,

Re: Debug and IDE scripts

That is a much better idea. Bob On Sep 12, 2012, at 2:02 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: > Peter Haworth writes: > >> So I guess my interest is if I can utilize the mechanism by which the IDE >> protects its handlers from being seen by debug for my own stacks to avoid >> this issue. I was hoping per

Re: Debug and IDE scripts

Oh I see sorry, I was thinking in terms of a faceless library. I would say then, and you won't want to hear this, but put all your protected code in a library, and password protect that. Then make calls to your library from your front end using try/catch. Have your own error handling mechanism t

Re: [OT] EULA and legality

heh heh a little like, "Ask 10 psychiatrists for a diagnosis and you will get 20 opinions." On Sep 12, 2012, at 1:36 PM, François Chaplais wrote: > "Put three lawyers in a room and they will go out with five opinions." > Le 12 sept. 2012 à 22:33, Bob Sneidar a écrit : > >> I think Lawyers are r

Re: Debug and IDE scripts

Thanks Bob. Problem is these are messages that are issued by the engine,. not me. For example, my front script contains a newStack handler so any time a new stack is created in the IDE, code in the engine sends a newStack message which is trapped by my front script. I have no control over how the

Re: Debug and IDE scripts

Peter, sqlYoga does the same thing. What he recommends is having the end dev wrapping calls to his library in a try catch structure, and reporting the error in the catch section. It works really well for me that way. I'm not sure if he has a way of returning errors in a more meaningful way, or i

Re: [OT] EULA and legality

I posted it to Sign Smiles, but a clean version of it. On Sep 12, 2012, at 10:53 AM, Richmond wrote: > On 09/12/2012 08:34 PM, Roger Eller wrote: >>> No, they are not "happy to abide"; they don't even know >>> that they are abiding by anything at all. >> Reminds me of this EULA... ;-p >> >> ht

Re: [OT] EULA and legality

"Put three lawyers in a room and they will go out with five opinions." Le 12 sept. 2012 à 22:33, Bob Sneidar a écrit : > I think Lawyers are really good at what they do, because they have perfected > the skill of ignoring evidence to the contrary. > > Bob > > > On Sep 12, 2012, at 10:12 AM, F

Re: [OT] EULA and legality

I think Lawyers are really good at what they do, because they have perfected the skill of ignoring evidence to the contrary. Bob On Sep 12, 2012, at 10:12 AM, François Chaplais wrote: > there is also this one: > "There are two kinds of lawyers: those who know the law, and those who know > th

More Debug Issues

This time, it seems that debug is making something work that doesn't work without it for a change! I have a preOpenCard handler that makes some adjustments to the the stack height. When debug is not involved, the adjustments do not happen. If I put a breakpoint command right before the code that

Re: Debug and IDE scripts

I guess I should explain a bit more in my interest in this. My lcStackBrowser plugin uses a front script in a button in a password protected stack with handlers for several messages to do with new objects. If a user is in debug mode in one of his stacks and his code happens to trigger one of the

Re: Debug and IDE scripts

Peter Haworth writes: > > When I'm stepping through my code in debug and I step into a call to an > engine command or function, the debugger simply goes to the next statement > in my code not to the engine code. > > Does anyone know the mechanism by which the code of engine > commands/functions

Re: [OT] EULA and legality

Richmond wrote: When is a EULA to be viewed as an attempt at manipulation and coercion rather than just a statement of the vendor's feelings about how far they are prepared to extend their support for their product. It doesn't matter. This will be my last post on this thread, I promise. And b

Re: Debug and IDE scripts

Are you using the Step Over, or Step Into button as you step through the code? ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/m

Debug and IDE scripts

When I'm stepping through my code in debug and I step into a call to an engine command or function, the debugger simply goes to the next statement in my code not to the engine code. Does anyone know the mechanism by which the code of engine commands/functions is ignored by the debugger? Pete lcSQ

Re: [OT] EULA and legality

On 09/12/2012 08:34 PM, Roger Eller wrote: No, they are not "happy to abide"; they don't even know that they are abiding by anything at all. Reminds me of this EULA... ;-p http://hunting.outdoorzy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/deer-baiting-corn-pile-castle-doctrine.jpg Lovely stuff: that on

Re: [OT] EULA and legality

On 09/12/2012 08:19 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 9/12/12 12:12 PM, François Chaplais wrote: there is also this one: "There are two kinds of lawyers: those who know the law, and those who know the judge." Well, here in Bulgaria the vast majority are the second type. LOL! I was staying out o

Re: [OT] EULA and legality

> No, they are not "happy to abide"; they don't even know > that they are abiding by anything at all. Reminds me of this EULA... ;-p http://hunting.outdoorzy.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/deer-baiting-corn-pile-castle-doctrine.jpg On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Richmond wrote: > > No, the

Re: [OT] EULA and legality

On 9/12/12 12:12 PM, François Chaplais wrote: there is also this one: "There are two kinds of lawyers: those who know the law, and those who know the judge." LOL! I was staying out of this discussion but that was too good to ignore. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw

RE: [OT] EULA and legality

> In the "English speaking world" there are all sorts of legal > systems (just for example, crossing the border between > England and Scotland one moves from some sort of homemade > outgrowth of Anglo-Saxon law to Roman law) and all sorts of dialects. English EULAs are written in Cockroach, a s

Re: [OT] EULA and legality

there is also this one: "There are two kinds of lawyers: those who know the law, and those who know the judge." ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription pref

RE: [OT] EULA and legality

> There is another point which is is maybe overlooked by people > whose official language is English. It seems to me that EULAs > suffer from a "vice de forme" in the sense that they are > often written in a language that is not an official language > of the country where it is supposed to appl

Re: [OT] EULA and legality

On the lighter side of things I like this (dark) cartoon. There is a blind beggar with a sign that says "I am blind and my dog is dead." Somebody passes by and thinks "I have worries of my own". Too bad binaries are off in this list. Well, let us say that I have worries of my own, and some involv

Re: [OT] EULA and legality

Do you know what the US Supreme Court would say if we brought all this before them? "Has there ever been a case where Apple enforced this part of the EULA you object to? No? Then get out of our courtroom and stop wasting our time." Courts in the US cannot rule on something unless there is a case

Re: [OT] EULA and legality

Bit harsh, eh? On Sep 12, 2012, at 6:16 AM, François Chaplais wrote: > Pay yourself a lawyer, Peter, instead of trolling this list. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage

Re: Morality, Honesty and Legality

Ain't that the truth. So often a company will let their product die rather than admit their policies were outdated or flat out wrong. I have seen awesome software titles go the way of the dodo because people on the inside refused to change directions when the ship was approaching the shoals. Oh

Uploading and Storing Mobile Photos in Database?

Hi All.. What is the recommended strategy for uploading and storing photographs from a mobile device to an online mysql database? (This would be utilizing on-rev.) The stored images would be accessed via web interface and I could see creating multiple front ends to the image database eventually

Re: Morality, Honesty and Legality

It's not "dodging" if there is a door there to walk through. Tax dodging refers to not paying taxes you are required to pay, and then running away from the people who are trying to catch you, I think. Bob On Sep 12, 2012, at 1:29 AM, Richmond wrote: > Some people may view corporate philanthr

Re: Morality, Honesty and Legality

Yes, you evil villain! ;-) Bob On Sep 12, 2012, at 1:28 AM, Richmond wrote: > I wonder whether running Mac "Classic" (7,8,9) inside Sheepshaver violates > a EULA ? ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to

Re: Morality, Honesty and Legality

People who want to change the world scare me. If you mean "make the world a better place" I'm more inclined to go along with that, but usually "change the world" means "make it into the world I think ought to be" and some very, very bad people in history fall into this category. Bob On Sep 1

Re: [OT] EULA and legality

Kay, I think the restrictions on number of computers is probably fine, its the copyright holder exercising his rights. Rev is rather generous here. I think the restriction on use is fine, because its just a product feature. Rev is perfectly entitled to have whatever features it wants. If there

Re: [OT] EULA and legality

On 09/12/2012 05:48 PM, François Chaplais wrote: There is another point which is is maybe overlooked by people whose official language is English. It seems to me that EULAs suffer from a "vice de forme" in the sense that they are often written in a language that is not an official language of t

Re: [OT] EULA and legality

On 09/12/2012 04:45 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 9:24 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: That's one question, and it may be interesting to see how it plays out if Apple ever enforces the "Apple branded hardware" clause in their EULA. Why is it assumed that Apple must be the one to go to

Re: [OT] EULA and legality

On 09/12/2012 04:44 PM, Warren Samples wrote: On 09/12/2012 08:24 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: There are other questions we can answer for ourselves, like: Do we want to enter into a relationship with a vendor who has already clearly expressed in writing that they don't want us? Forcing someone i

Re: [OT] EULA and legality

On 09/12/2012 04:39 PM, Kay C Lan wrote: On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Peter Alcibiades < palcibiades-fi...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: What is needed is an EU case in which either running the thing in a VM or on the wrong sort of hardware was ruled breach of contract and some kind of ruling made.

Re: [OT] EULA and legality

There is another point which is is maybe overlooked by people whose official language is English. It seems to me that EULAs suffer from a "vice de forme" in the sense that they are often written in a language that is not an official language of the country where it is supposed to apply. Specific

RE: [OT] EULA and legality

> The question is whether some particular terms in a contract, > whether entered into by EULA or other means, are enforceable > and lawful in the jurisdiction one lives in. You bring up a interesting point here, and one I believe to be a growing problem in the future. EULAs are granted under th

Re: [OT] EULA and legality

Kay C Lan wrote: On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 9:24 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: That's one question, and it may be interesting to see how it plays out if Apple ever enforces the "Apple branded hardware" clause in their EULA. Why is it assumed that Apple must be the one to go to court to enforce it's

Re: [OT] EULA and legality

On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 9:24 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: > > That's one question, and it may be interesting to see how it plays out if > Apple ever enforces the "Apple branded hardware" clause in their EULA. > > Why is it assumed that Apple must be the one to go to court to enforce it's rule. If th

Re: [OT] EULA and legality

On 09/12/2012 08:24 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: There are other questions we can answer for ourselves, like: Do we want to enter into a relationship with a vendor who has already clearly expressed in writing that they don't want us? Forcing someone into a relationship just makes for an unhealthy

Re: [OT] EULA and legality

On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Peter Alcibiades < palcibiades-fi...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: > > What is needed is an EU case in which either running the thing in a VM or > on > the wrong sort of hardware was ruled breach of contract and some kind of > ruling made. I don't know of one. Maybe someon

Re: [OT] EULA and legality

as far as I understand, and for France only, laws are voted by the legislative branch, and decrees are issued by the executive branch. Decrees specify (or attempt to) how the law should be applied in practice. A law which does not have an applicative decrees will never be applied and is consider

Re: [OT] EULA and legality

Peter Alcibiades wrote: The question isn't whether EULAs are contractually enforceable. As a class, the answer is that they are. That means that consenting to them can lead to a valid entry into a contract. CAN. That is not an issue. The question is whether some particular terms in a contra

Re: [OT] EULA and legality

Pay yourself a lawyer, Peter, instead of trolling this list. It's not a judge's opinion on the law, but it is better than your mixture of ill supported arguments. Le 12 sept. 2012 à 14:59, Peter Alcibiades a écrit : > The question isn't whether EULAs are contractually enforceable. As a class, >

Re: [OT] EULA and legality

The question isn't whether EULAs are contractually enforceable. As a class, the answer is that they are. That means that consenting to them can lead to a valid entry into a contract. CAN. That is not an issue. The question is whether some particular terms in a contract, whether entered into by

Re: Morality, Honesty and Legality

On Apple hardware, or non-Apple HW? Sheepshaver was around for Mac, Win, Linux, and Amiga since way back when. There were debates about it even then. Since there were no intel Macs, the Mac version only ran well on the higher-end Quadra, but could use a ROM from a IIci, etc. The consensus of th

revGoURL vs Launch URL and multitasking on iPad

I see now why the RevGoURL command has been deprecated in favor of launch URL. While RevGoURL still works in standalones for the desktop in opening a URL on the Internet, I find that I need to replace it with the launch URL command to open the same URL from a LiveCode app on iPad; RevGoURL doe

Re: Morality, Honesty and Legality

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Richmond wrote: > 6. One of the real problems (and it is more philosophical than either > legal or moral) is what > constitutes possession. > > 6.1. I have a Snow Leopard install disk on the desk next to me as I type > this, and its contents >(i.e. the

Re: Morality, Honesty and Legality

On 09/12/2012 05:08 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Like EULA terms, corporate philanthropy may also be a feature some folks look for when selecting their vendors. And as a moral and ethical issue, it's one I hold very strongly against a corporatio

Re: Morality, Honesty and Legality

I wonder whether running Mac "Classic" (7,8,9) inside Sheepshaver violates a EULA ? ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runre