Re: [Usability] [RFC] Announcing: Control-Center-GUI 0.1

2005-02-07 Thread Elijah Newren
On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 13:22:06 -0500, Havoc Pennington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Personally I think some time thinking through which prefs exist, and > whether they can be moved outside the control center, would be a lot > more valuable than continuing to try and bandaid the "too many prefs" > p

[Usability] Re: Metacity Proposal: Grouping Windows

2005-02-08 Thread Elijah Newren
Hi Ryan, On Wed, 03 Mar 2004 23:19:52 -0700, Ryan McDougall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is a slightly more proof-read version of what I have already sent > to desktop-devel > > Proposal to Add Grouping to Metacity, and some Rationale wm-spec-list is not a gnome-specific mailing list, and t

Re: [Usability] Inconsistency window menu

2005-02-10 Thread Elijah Newren
Hi, On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:12:31 +0100, Jaap Haitsma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If I right click on the button of a window in the gnome panel (taskbar) > I see the following menu items > > Minimize > Maximize > Roll Up > Move > Resize > --- > Close > --- > Put On All Workspaces You're

Re: [Usability] Allow donations for precise bugs

2005-03-12 Thread Elijah Newren
On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 09:12:54 +0100, Maurizio Colucci <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear friends, > > I apologize in advance for the cross-post but it seems adequate here, as this > proposal involves users and developers. Hi, Usability isn't the correct list for such a proposal. Others have asked

Re: [Usability] Can the GNOME desktop survive an encounter with my parents?

2005-08-26 Thread Elijah Newren
On 8/25/05, Vidar Braut Haarr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 17. Mom opens Thunderbird to send some e-mails. She minimizes > Thunderbird, locates a document and drags it to the trash to delete > it. After she has done this, she accidentally clicks again just to the > left of the trash, changing to D

Re: [Usability] Can the GNOME desktop survive an encounter with my parents?

2005-08-26 Thread Elijah Newren
On 8/26/05, Vidar Braut Haarr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 8/26/05, Elijah Newren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > 18. Having all his applications on one desktop, he now starts to drag > > > the windows to the Workspace Switcher to drop them on other desktop

Re: [Usability] A (rather long) list of GNOME usability issues

2005-10-14 Thread Elijah Newren
On 10/14/05, Christian Neumair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Raising Windows > > > > no idea > > There is a feature request for this on bugzilla already, and code was > written [1]. That particular solution doesn't sit well with me since it intentionally breaks some stuff (which Gregory doesn't

Re: [Usability] A (rather long) list of GNOME usability issues

2005-10-17 Thread Elijah Newren
On 10/17/05, Tuomas Kuosmanen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2005-10-14 at 22:31 +0100, Alan Horkan wrote: > > (Not) Raising Windows (on DND) > > > > no idea > > This might actually be a good thing - we'd need to ponder this a bit of > course to make sure we dont miss some other issue this

Re: [Usability] A (rather long) list of GNOME usability issues

2005-10-18 Thread Elijah Newren
On 10/18/05, Iain * <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Raising Windows > > > > no idea > > If one drags an object, and hovers over the destination window in the > window chooser applet thingy then that window will be raised to the > top, allowing dropping of said object in newly raised window. That's

Re: [Usability] gnome-terminal shortcuts

2005-12-24 Thread Elijah Newren
On 12/23/05, Joachim Noreiko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- Olav Vitters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 11:32:16PM +0100, Tomasz > > Janowitz wrote: > > > I have a question regarding gnome-terminal > > shortcuts, namely: what are the > > > 'shift's standing for ? Would

Re: [Usability] Re: Mini UI reviews

2006-02-13 Thread Elijah Newren
On 2/13/06, Calum Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 2006-02-13 at 15:19 +, Calum Benson wrote: > > > Would that suit everyone? > > Paolo's just asked if we can do gedit on Friday instead, so new proposal > is: > > > Monday 1700 : sound-juicer (happening now!) > > Tuesday 1700 : gnome

Re: [Usability] Closing windows with doubleclick

2006-03-16 Thread Elijah Newren
On 3/16/06, Alan Horkan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Also if we are so worried about users accidentally closing windows and if > it is as dangerous as others claim why is a non-destructive action like > Maximize put right beside the close button? Because putting a destructive button next to the mo

Re: [Usability] "Finish" vs. "Close" in gnome-control-center dialogs

2006-03-23 Thread Elijah Newren
On 3/23/06, Alan Horkan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since Dobey says the button label was changed to 'Finish' after user > testing I'm not inclined to disagree with the nice people at Novell (but > if you really wanted to nit-pick you could ask about how the testing was > conducted, if the sample

Re: [Usability] "Finish" vs. "Close" in gnome-control-center dialogs

2006-03-23 Thread Elijah Newren
On 3/23/06, Alan Horkan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I dont recall the earlier versions including a Finish button either. Right. Depending on what you mean by 'earlier versions', but making my best guess at it, those versions didn't include a finish button. Rodney changed the dialog to not be in

Re: [Usability] "Finish" vs. "Close" in gnome-control-center dialogs

2006-03-24 Thread Elijah Newren
On 3/24/06, Joachim Noreiko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- Rodney Dawes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > > > Consistency is good. > > > > Consistency is good. But what is consistent is arguable, and usability > > should take precedence. > > No, the two must go hand in hand. Telling developers (Rodn

Re: [Usability] "Finish" vs. "Close" in gnome-control-center dialogs

2006-03-24 Thread Elijah Newren
On 3/24/06, Elijah Newren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Discussing further isn't going to change it either. ;-) Just to clarify...it won't change it for 2.14, as it has already been released. We can of course start fixing things now for 2.15 since we are no longer stuck in an

Re: [Usability] alphabetic sorting of dynamic content

2006-05-01 Thread Elijah Newren
On 5/1/06, Liam R E Quin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I've noticed that the gnome 2.14 window list panel thingy now sorts the list of windows alphabetically instead of (previously) in some other order, I think creation date. Mapping order, yes...and it is still the order used; I have no idea why

Re: [Usability] alphabetic sorting of dynamic content

2006-05-01 Thread Elijah Newren
On 5/1/06, Liam R E Quin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, 2006-05-01 at 17:22 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > On 5/1/06, Liam R E Quin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've noticed that the gnome 2.14 window list panel thingy now sorts > > the list of windows alpha

Re: [Usability] alphabetic sorting of dynamic content

2006-05-02 Thread Elijah Newren
On 5/2/06, Liam R E Quin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, 2006-05-01 at 20:29 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > On 5/1/06, Liam R E Quin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, 2006-05-01 at 17:22 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > > > Mapping order, yes...and it is still

Re: [Usability] Resizability of windows

2006-05-02 Thread Elijah Newren
On 5/2/06, Matthew Paul Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Having said all that, I don't understand why the Theme Preferences window is not a dialog and is resizable, but doesn't become maximizable automatically. That looks like too much flexibility in Metacity. There's code in metacity that tu

Re: [Usability] Resizability of windows

2006-05-03 Thread Elijah Newren
On 5/3/06, Matthew Paul Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On May 3, 2006, at 1:53 AM, Elijah Newren wrote: > On 5/2/06, Matthew Paul Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Having said all that, I don't understand why the Theme Preferences >> window is not a d

Re: [Usability] Resizability of windows

2006-05-04 Thread Elijah Newren
On 5/4/06, Matthew Paul Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: It seems that the wm-spec's definition of a utility window is vastly different from the HIG's definition of a utility window. What the wm-spec calls a utility window, the HIG calls a "toolbox", though that's not an ideal name either -- the

Re: [Usability] Resizability of windows

2006-05-04 Thread Elijah Newren
On 5/4/06, Alan Horkan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The techincal window manager aspects of this issues strike me as a different problem. It seems to be trying to fit the different window types into predefined categories which seems like a tough task to solve for everything. Well, an always ongo

Re: Window types (Re: [Usability] Resizability of windows)

2006-05-04 Thread Elijah Newren
On 5/4/06, Matthew Paul Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: But the four things I want to do most often with a splash screen are (1) minimize it ("get out of my way!"), (2) move it ("get out of my way!"), (3) return it to the front ("... wait, did that say OpenOffice.org 1.1? I thought I'd launched

Re: Window types (Re: [Usability] Resizability of windows)

2006-05-05 Thread Elijah Newren
On 05 May 2006 16:41:37 +0200, Soeren Sandmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "Elijah Newren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > compositor will need to do special things with them. If his proposal > becomes part of the spec (looks likely) then tooltips will have a type >

Re: [Usability] Use of C-PageUp/Down to move between tabs

2006-06-07 Thread Elijah Newren
On 6/7/06, Bill Wohler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think it is common to use C-PageUp and C-PageDown to move between tabs (for example, Galeon). Is this true? Also used by Mozilla, Firefox, Epiphany, X-Chat, and gnome-terminal, at least. I was planning on adding a keybinding based off it (C-A

Re: [Usability] Bug: Applications appearing on other desktops than started

2006-08-20 Thread Elijah Newren
On 8/20/06, Martin Ejdestig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This gets especially annoying if the application issues some dialogs > > before it actually starts (like galeon after-crash dialog, which I see > > quite regularly by the way) and the application doesn't appear, so > > I have to go through

Re: [Usability] Bug: Applications appearing on other desktops than started

2006-08-21 Thread Elijah Newren
On 8/21/06, Martin Ejdestig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 2006-08-20 at 21:18 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > > It is almost as likely to be a bug in the application launcher as it > > is in the application itself. If the application is not launched with > > start

Re: [Usability] Bug: Applications appearing on other desktops than started

2006-08-21 Thread Elijah Newren
On 8/21/06, GSR - FR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (2006-08-21 at 0954.18 -0600): > > > That it doesn't work when launched from a terminal and custom launchers > > > where StartupNotify=true is left out can be quite confusing. Is there a > > > reason why there ain't a functio

Re: [Usability] Dialogs and Maximize button

2006-09-09 Thread Elijah Newren
On 9/8/06, Olaf van der Spek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > The HIG says (implicitly) dialogs shouldn't have a maximize button. > > http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/windows-dialog.html > > > Window Commands: Minimize, Roll-up/Unroll Also worth noting is http://live.gnome.org/

Re: [Usability] sticky keys and alt-tab

2006-09-12 Thread Elijah Newren
On 9/12/06, Maurizio Colucci <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > if I enable sticky keys (control panel -> keyboard -> accessibility), I > loose the ability to ALT-TAB (unless, of course, I keep ALT pressed, which > defeats the purpose of using sticky keys). Is there any way to switch the > act

Re: [Usability] sticky keys and alt-tab

2006-09-12 Thread Elijah Newren
On 9/12/06, Lennart Borgman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would expect it to work with just one press of Alt. That is the way it > works on MS Windows and I think it is convenient. Is there any reason > that it should be harder on GNOME? If I am not mistaken, GNOME currently behaves exactly like

Re: [Usability] gnome-screensaver configuration (or lack therof)

2006-09-30 Thread Elijah Newren
On 9/30/06, Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A bug was filed over a year ago ( > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316654 ). The author of > gnome-screensaver responded with: > > "I don't have any plans to support this. My view is that any > screensaver theme that requires conf

Re: [Usability] sticky keys and alt-tab

2006-10-05 Thread Elijah Newren
On 10/5/06, Calum Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know I've come to this party too late, but just FYI, http:// > bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102656 discussed this possibility > (and eventually came to the same conclusion as this thread-- that you > could do it by using Sticky Keys lock

Re: [Usability] preferences windows, window preferences, shaded windows, nonresizable windows

2007-05-22 Thread Elijah Newren
On 5/22/07, Calum Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Another thing I'd like to mention for window preferences, are titlebar > > preferences. I use KDE on my laptop and this is probably the biggest reason, > > the ability to modify the title bar is very important to me when I'm using a > > touchp

[Usability] default titlebar button layout [was: preferences windows, window preferences]

2007-05-22 Thread Elijah Newren
On 5/22/07, Matthew Paul Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (I've rearranged them for myself, because having the close button right > next to the others is stupid. But I think that's an argument for having > a better default arrangement, not for making the customization easier.) I imagine this is

Re: [Usability] Discoverable off-screen window dragging

2007-11-28 Thread Elijah Newren
Hi, On Nov 28, 2007 4:23 PM, Hans Petter Jansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was told by one user that the way he worked around this was by going > to the control panel, choosing a smaller font temporarily, moving the > window, then setting the big font again. Of course, he was very happy to >

Re: [Usability] Discoverable off-screen window dragging

2007-11-29 Thread Elijah Newren
On Nov 29, 2007 5:14 PM, Matthew Nuzum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Also interestingly, when you view the menu with alt+space the Move option > doesn't list the Alt+F7 keyboard shortcut. That hinders discoverability a > bit. Thanks for the tip, I've wished for this before. Um, it does here. What

Re: [Usability] Discoverable off-screen window dragging

2007-11-30 Thread Elijah Newren
On Nov 29, 2007 4:47 PM, Willie Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On a related note, enhancing metacity's window movement behavior from > the keyboard would be really nice. If you press Alt+F7 to move a > window, you can move it all over the screen using the arrow keys. But, > if you press Alt+

Re: [Usability] Discoverable off-screen window dragging

2007-11-30 Thread Elijah Newren
On Nov 29, 2007 9:09 PM, Travis Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > They don't show up when using Compiz. Which is odd, because that menu > comes from libmetacity/wnck (can't remember which right now). libwnck. Yes, I remember Dan and David telling me about that now. And you'll note that they ke

Re: [Usability] Discoverable off-screen window dragging

2007-11-30 Thread Elijah Newren
On Nov 30, 2007 4:51 AM, Matthew Paul Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Nov 29, 2007, at 12:23 PM, Hans Petter Jansson wrote: > > ... > > Which made me wonder if there's a more discoverable way of moving > > windows around when they're too big/partially off-screen. > > ... > > Sure there is. M

Re: [Usability] Discoverable off-screen window dragging

2007-11-30 Thread Elijah Newren
On Nov 29, 2007 8:00 PM, Matthew Nuzum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2.2.20 I think. I guess I'm not confident on how to tell what window manager > I'm using. Metacity or compiz fusion, since I've not done anything to change > that. It's Ubuntu 7.10 with effects enabled. You can find out some detai