ticular tab though... should you remember
that tab for the next 'generic' visit, or not?
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n required, which just showed
the extra ones, or a single "More Places" submenu that showed both any
extra servers and any extra removable devices.
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55 frames per second, for example, to avoid
inducing seizures in susceptible users.
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Any op
cal reports either, but nowadays most institutions
positively encourage you to use less fussy language in reports to make
them more readable... all keeps style guide writers in a job I suppose
:)
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New" chapter (hig-ch-whatsnew.xml); it sounds like this would
qualify.
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tion and all)-- if it's
good enough for the Mac... :)
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d get a bit cluttered though... if it's proving to be a problem, it
might be easier just to make the default action when you click on an
item be "toggle selection state of this item and don't deselect anything
else". (Windows already has a mode like this, I forget if gtk+ has or
way that springs to mind, but we don't have an
'official' recommended way of doing this at present. This is a known
shortcoming and we've talked about it before, although I don't think
there's a bug open about it... feel free to file one against the HIG
with any
e
corresponding "run_command_" key in
/apps/metacity/global_keybindings.
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Any o
On Thu, 2005-02-17 at 14:39, Luis Villa wrote:
> So when are we getting that upstream? :)
Erwann's patch was rejected by the maintainer at the time but it's
still available in cvs as sun-patches/060-0-s.diff if anyone wants
to resurrect it :)
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ive formats as Save As. The HIG
isn't terribly clear on this point at the moment (but it does at least
suggest Save a Copy, but not Export, as a standard menu item).
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ename and
select an archive type, rather than necessarily having a full Save
dialog.
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say, is to disable Apply until
there are any changes, but always have OK available. Users tend to get
pretty confused when an OK button is disabled for some reason.
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gt; job list window.
Hmm, inventing something sounds like the preferable option to me... a
status icon should only at best only provide a secondary way of
accessing a relevant window, IMHO.
(JDS already has such an invention, FWIW, and NLD does too I think...)
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ely flashing monitors.
Currently not a preference, but again they are themable so I suppose you
could just replace them with blank icons in your theme if you never want
to see them. You should file an enhancement request in bugzilla to make
this a preference, I guess.
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o use them for something else while a GtkTextView
has focus, but I think the chances of that are pretty slim, to be
honest.
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bit
for the next release anyway :)
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hanks,
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Dave Yeats
Department of English
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ocus
- Pressing first letter of any menu item will focus it; if more than one
item starts with same letter, press the letter again to cycle focus
between them
- Space to activate a menu item
- Esc to close the menu without running anything
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we exclude
> "Apply" dialogs (possible data loss)?
Ideally that would be a moot point; explicit-apply dialogs shouldn't
really have a close button in the titlebar, but I'm guessing that's
still not possible.
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SX as
well, though.)
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epends on the context, as you say.
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izontally.
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ou
what to do with what's available) or an aspirational one (i.e. a spec
for future gtk/GNOME enhancements), but I don't think we've ever been
totally sure ourselves.
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anyway, at least on my machines-- so if anything it might make the
process seem a little snappier (ho-ho).
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nel already exploits this, although the desktop itself
doesn't.
> PS. Last things going through my mind has been a bit of a turn; How
> much everybody hates a single button mouse
I rather like mine actually :)
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uses ctrl-wheel to adjust zoom
> 4) There are app specific scroll wheel operations. The HIG should
>be clear what modifiers are available.
> 5) It should be clear how modifiers interact
Any chance you could file a bug against the HIG with some more info on
what you think is required here?
icit button
for closing them, with an easier-to-hit accelerator.
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7;
these days... Apple haven't shipped anything with one of those for
years :)
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Any opini
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27;export no larger than' option is pretty
useful for scaling photos as they're exported... and I'd certainly find
it useful for exporting otherwise-large screenshots too. And indeed for
videos, but I guess to much post-processing would be involved to have it
listed as an option fo
rse :)
> From what i've heard, OS-X allows you to basically drag a window onscreen
> which indicates how a screenshot(/video?) will be cropped.
Yeah, the Grab application that comes with OSX allows that, but it does
only take static screenshots.
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s). But you're right, personally I've never felt the need
to capture a video of my desktop in the run of an average day.
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nd of
analogous to having discount versions of both features in the same
dialog instead of using separate, dedicated image and video editing
tools...
But you're right, analogies suck :)
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ctively doing exactly the same job.
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On 15 Jun 2005, at 11:59, Calum Benson wrote:
Sounds like a reasonable request (module the whole 'add video
features' discussion)-
^^
Er, modulo...
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users are likely to have turned on.
(It's also just occurred to me that it might be useful if the visual
bell had a 'turn on when the volume is muted' option, although that
certainly wouldn't help if you'd just unplugged your speakers for a
while.)
Cheeri,
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thout"?
Yes and no :) We've had that pointed out before, but IIRC the docs
team themselves said they preferred 'without' in this case. Rules
are made to be broken I guess...
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Without'.
Ah yes, my apologies. I had quickly re-read Pat's email to refresh my
memory, but mis-read his suggestion that we should "depart slightly from
the CMS" on this point as a suggestion to depart slightly from the GDSG,
which of course isn't the case.
Cheeri,
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bug.cgi?id=72101
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lla might be kind of interesting to
experiment with, too:
http://uzilla.net/uzilla/info/using_uzilla/test.cfm
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s on that page...)
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encourages the user to visit the first time they
run a new version of the application. Or a standard menu item
(Help->Usability Feedback?) that the user could select to run any
available tests whenever they wanted.
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d
of the list), and partly for accessibility reasons (it's generally
better for visually impaired users if things 'beep' when you try to
move focus past their logical end).
Cheeri,
Calum.
[1] Actually XP does in at least one corner case that I've
encountered, but not in an
lier (when trying to move focus past the end of the list), I meant
the system beep, which is already user-configurable to either make a
sound, flash the window, both, or neither.
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n we deprive our
users of it though, provided they consider the usefulness to outweigh
the annoyance.
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y be the
ability to lay things out properly in a multi-row fashion on your real
panels too, rather than maintaining the remarkable 'the bigger you make
them, the less stuff you can actually put on them' property they have
today...)
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e in dialogs,
though, so if nothing else your proposed dialog might look a little
unusual compared to the other windows that the user is seeing on their
screen. But no, I don't have any better ideas off the top of my head :/
Cheeri,
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On Fri, 2005-07-15 at 02:14, Jason Hoover wrote:
> Does the HIG have any kind of recommendations for consistency of panel
> applets?
We're very weak on applets at the moment, but it's definitely something
I'd like to get done for the next release.
Cheeri,
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ry that
> contains other directories because of this.
Can't say I've encountered this problem myself, but certainly sounds
like a usability issue if it's true.
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indows, or even folders, that
I haven't opened/created yet :)
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;s not the case, though.
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ss I should just try the demo...
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anymore?
The people who want to change the status quo are always the most vocal
in any debate. The rest of us have just been around this particular
block often enough that we don't get involved :)
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mailt
a glance, but I'd
like to know exactly what's behind those expander arrows... could still
be a bit scary :) And there's still no way to say 'Skip all existing
files' or 'Replace all existing files', which I'd guess is one of the
most common things people reall
art of the same
application should use the same icon. Ideally, this icon should be the
same or similar to the icon used to launch the application."
I'll add this info to the bug report, and we can discuss it further
there if need be.
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If there are too many rules or special cases that the developer needs to
think about though, we'll just end up in a mess again... hence the
current proposal of just having everything in the same app use the same
icon.
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://www.apple.com/macosx/features/automator/).
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. Unless they were pictures with
> different icons, in Nautilus it would appear as if nothing had happened
> at all, which would be quite confusing.
Yep... once again, I suspect a working "Undo" command in nautilus is
really what we're after here.
Cheeri,
Calum
that we need a neat solution to the currently-hidden magic
shortcuts, though, and I'd certainly encourage you to keep trying to
find one :)
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blems of open source
usability IMHO... the one thing open source usability really lacks is
a successful, repeatable usability process. But there doesn't seem
to be anything on the website that even encourages cross-project
discussion of successes and failures.
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c one way or another when we had something more
concrete to show, so your bug report will probably be my first port of
call :)
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. See http://quicksilver.blacktree.com/plugins.php for a
flavour of some of them.
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Any opinio
used as a kind of 'remote
assistance' feature like Windows has. So that's not quite what you
want.
Or you could buy some SunRays instead :)
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but
http://desktop-migration.org is still password protected :/
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On Mon, 2005-10-10 at 16:34 +0100, Calum Benson wrote:
> Any word on when we're going to see the results of Novell's reports
> published, btw? They've been promised since June, but
> http://desktop-migration.org is still password protected :/
Duh... obviously you just p
context menu.
...which you should also be able to access with Shift-F10 when a file or
folder is focused, so at least there's some keyboard-only way to do it.
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ven't really thought about it enough to answer the first part of
your question, but I think a single bug report will be sufficient, and
we can thrash out the details there if we need to.
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On Sat, 2005-10-15 at 00:06 +0200, Christian Neumair wrote:
> > Problem: There is no undo.
> >
> > Calum Benson isn't happy about it either perhaps some people need to
> > come up with clear plans and help a developer implement it. again an
> > issue which sh
gt; seperate warnings all telling me pretty much the same thing. What is even
> more annoying is that it will continue to warn you each and every time you
> login until you pick a new icon for the launchers/shortcuts.
See:
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=100964
Cheeri,
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t behaviour wrt left and right click to
the HIG (I may even have written something into the draft version,
but I don't see it right now).
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some apps need non-numeric zoom levels like "fit to window" and
"fit width", and anything with +/- buttons doesn't really quite make
sense for those, IMHO. But equally, a drop-down list of values doesn't
suit apps with infinitely-adjustable zoom levels.
Cheeri,
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ort
it out in due course.
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shouldn't-- e.g. when you click on
the workspace switcher, it would be useful if it switched your
workspace, rather than popping up a menu :)
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er that :) But feel free to ask for help if it
isn't... if you know how to use IRC, you'll probably get the quickest
help there (on #gnome at irc.gnome.org).
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file a HIG bug about it so we don't forget?
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nd something like Shift-Ctrl-G into
the 'recommended' category.
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hich guidelines are
which :)
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y" is debatable here; most modern style guides are in favour
of omitting the periods/full stops.)
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An
ly-desktop-neutral bits,
which nobody's been sufficiently convinced about to do before.
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A
ld need to be some caveats, e.g. it shouldn't close
anything that has OK and Cancel buttons (or equivalent), because that
would be ambiguous. (Perhaps that was the reason we originally
restricted it to documents only, but I don't recall off-hand... will dig
through my old notes when I h
bugs open about it. Feel free to contribute to the
discussions there :)
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n to
> discard changes, (Eg, Desktop Background, which
> changes immediately), it should be labelled 'Revert'.
Yes, it should. Few such dialogs currently do, though (possibly because
the relevant discussions never did settle on the best model).
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ween two documents.
FWIW, those are my sentiments too... I think if this was ever going to
happen, it would more likely be a single document with some guidelines
tagged as GNOME-specific, KDE-specific or whatever. (But personally I
think that would get pretty unmanageable pretty quickly too.)
tation ought to be
somewhat familiar with both documents.
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Any opinions ar
users not seeing that the text is being selected.
How can the focus issue be solved?
(I've added some comments to this bug.)
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the theory goes that) tabs shouldn't
normally be used anywhere that they might conflict with
application-level shortcuts. If you'd like to see them added to the
HIG, please file a bug.
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7;s a HIG issue; if it happened in one app
I'd probably expect it to happen in all of them, which would make it a
toolkit issue, really. The HIG tries not to deal with those; they're
usually discussed and settled on the lists or in bug reports.
Cheeri,
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but that's why we're all here talking about this stuff I guess :)
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ent:
>
> http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-web-list/2005-December/msg00091.html
Probably fine, but I didn't really understand from that email what is
proposed instead... where are GUP website bugs to be filed now?
Cheeri,
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s allocated from application space to prettier icons is
> well worth it (and makes bigger targets too).
FWIW, the panel infrastructure used to support different default layouts
for different screen sizes, but I've a feeling Mark might have removed
that stuff now because nobody ever used i
> > document's icon from somewhere?
>
> http://poweroftwo.de/insaneidea.jpg
> I feel everybody staring at me ;-)
FWIW, this is exactly what Sun's OpenWindows desktop did over a decade
ago :)
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to their final location
already).
Always worth experimenting with though, I guess...
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s that can be opened
again by the same application, and Export for saving to formats that can
only be opened by other applications, which is often something that it's
useful for user to know about. (Although I forget off-hand if the HIG
makes this distinction or not.)
Cheeri,
Calum.
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ible (i.e NO scrollbars
> visible)
>Prev Image
> Left (new)
> Up (new)
>Next Image
> Right (new)
> Down (new)
>
> 2. Shortcuts that work when the image is NOT fully visible (i.e scrollbars
> visible)
>Arrow keys pans the image
All these
ter, GNOME would probably go out of stock too
> if it ever had that feature.
:) Point taken, although more seriously, it's fairly usual for PDA-type
devices to have a somewhat different UI paradigm to large-screen,
mouse-driven desktops anyway.
Cheeri,
Calum.
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