Re: [Usability] Cross-Desktop UI Pattern Library

2010-10-13 Thread Calum Benson
On 13 Oct 2010, at 00:21, Kirk Bridger wrote: > The more I've looked at this issue the less I think that simply creating YAPL > (yet another pattern library) is the solution. Gnome has few unique patterns > - or am I wrong there? Well, 'unique' patterns isn't necessarily the goal... there i

Re: [Usability] Cross-Desktop UI Pattern Library

2010-10-13 Thread Allan Day
Hi Kirk! On Tue, 2010-10-12 at 16:21 -0700, Kirk Bridger wrote: > The more I've looked at this issue the less I think that simply > creating YAPL (yet another pattern library) is the solution. I agree that we should be approaching this problem by asking what it is we need and want, rather than s

Re: [Usability] Cross-Desktop UI Pattern Library

2010-10-13 Thread Allan Caeg
Great. We're moving forward. I might start a web UI Pattern Library at work. Will incorporate what I do there to our Cross-platform UI Library if ever. Such a library simply requires best practices for certain widgets. It's okay to borrow ideas to other platforms, even on the web, as long as they

Re: [Usability] Cross-Desktop UI Pattern Library

2010-10-13 Thread Allan Caeg
I also recommend working with designers who work on Open Source web platforms. They may have existing UI Pattern Libraries and/or be willing to help make one. Who else do you think can join us? Regards, Allan Caeg http://google.com/profiles/AllanCaeg#about @AllanCaeg +63 918 948 2520 Sent mobile

Re: [Usability] Cross-Desktop UI Pattern Library

2010-10-13 Thread Calum Benson
On 13 Oct 2010, at 13:47, Allan Caeg wrote: > Great. We're moving forward. I might start a web UI Pattern Library at work. > Will incorporate what I do there to our Cross-platform UI Library if ever. > > Such a library simply requires best practices for certain widgets. It's okay > to borrow ide

Re: [Usability] Cross-Desktop UI Pattern Library

2010-10-13 Thread Allan Caeg
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Calum Benson wrote: > FWIW, I'd say a good pattern library requires best practice for certain > tasks, rather than certain widgets. In most cases, the 'best practice for a > widget' should be enshrined as the default behaviour of that widget. (And we > need to be

Re: [Usability] Cross-Desktop UI Pattern Library

2010-10-13 Thread Allan Caeg
We can sense that a huge part of the issue here is organizational. We'll have to invent ways to create a UI Pattern Library, make it usable enough for devs to refer to them, and sustain its development so it's always relevant. Inputs please On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 11:27 PM, Allan Caeg wrote: >

Re: [Usability] Cross-Desktop UI Pattern Library

2010-10-13 Thread Kirk Bridger
On 10/13/2010 05:25 AM, Allan Day wrote: Kirk - in what ways do you see a pattern library as being inappropriate? I don't think a pattern library is inappropriate, I just think it is insufficient by itself. You actually outlined these arguments in your own email, and I agree with you com