Re: [Usability] Discoverable off-screen window dragging

2007-11-29 Thread Dokuro
>> a possible workaround is to use a large Virtual screen size in >> xorg.conf. > >That's painful because it's harder to reach the panel, and there's no >visual indication of where you are in the virtual screen. Plus windows >could get too large anyway. Is like having a 1024 resolution over a 80

Re: [Usability] Discoverable off-screen window dragging

2007-11-29 Thread Matthew Nuzum
On Nov 29, 2007 12:45 AM, Hans Petter Jansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2007-11-29 at 12:08 +0530, ritz wrote: > > > a possible workaround is to use a large Virtual screen size in > > xorg.conf. > > That's painful because it's harder to reach the panel, and there's no > visual indicat

[Usability] FW: UI Responsiveness

2007-11-29 Thread Martin Harris
Are there any time constraints on HIG in terms of responsiveness? I think I read once a general rule of 10 seconds. Also, has there been any talk about making UIs accountable for real-time responsiveness (low-latency interactivity)? Is there anything in the overall system that could require a U

Re: [Usability] FW: UI Responsiveness

2007-11-29 Thread Calum Benson
On 29 Nov 2007, at 22:58, Martin Harris wrote: > Are there any time constraints on HIG in terms of responsiveness? > Yes, see http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/feedback- responsiveness.html.en for the guidelines here. > Also, has there been any talk about making UIs accountable for

Re: [Usability] Discoverable off-screen window dragging

2007-11-29 Thread Calum Benson
Cc'ing gnome-accessibility-list too... On 28 Nov 2007, at 23:23, Hans Petter Jansson wrote: > I've been discussing accessibility/usability with visually impaired > users lately, and one thing that came up, and that I believe to be > low-hanging fruit, is the problem of windows being bigger than

Re: [Usability] Discoverable off-screen window dragging

2007-11-29 Thread Willie Walker
When I was working on X Windows accessibility at Digital in the early 1990's, I modified the popular window manager at the time (mwm?) to have an option to automatically put up scrollbars if the window was too large for the display. It seemed to work well, though I cannot remember if/how the u

Re: [Usability] Discoverable off-screen window dragging

2007-11-29 Thread Matthew Nuzum
On Nov 29, 2007 5:47 PM, Willie Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On a related note, enhancing metacity's window movement behavior from > the keyboard would be really nice. If you press Alt+F7 to move a > window, you can move it all over the screen using the arrow keys. But, > if you press Alt

Re: [Usability] Discoverable off-screen window dragging

2007-11-29 Thread Elijah Newren
On Nov 29, 2007 5:14 PM, Matthew Nuzum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Also interestingly, when you view the menu with alt+space the Move option > doesn't list the Alt+F7 keyboard shortcut. That hinders discoverability a > bit. Thanks for the tip, I've wished for this before. Um, it does here. What

Re: [Usability] FW: UI Responsiveness

2007-11-29 Thread Martin Harris
Thanks for the reply. My experience is in embedded systems where you have more control of event timing in general. For general-purpose computing, there are no time constraints placed on applications for how long they will take to respond to user interactions. A button click can take 10 ms or 10 min

Re: [Usability] Discoverable off-screen window dragging

2007-11-29 Thread Peter Korn
Hi Calum, Hans Petter, This sounds interesting. Any way to see and play with a prototype (and to get user feedback on it)? I also wonder whether and to what extent Compiz might play a role here (though perhaps we don't want to make a dependency on that just yet)... Regards, Peter Cc'ing