Re: [Usability] application names in the application menu

2008-04-02 Thread Jacob Beauregard
Calum Benson wrote: > On 31 Mar 2008, at 23:21, Jacob Beauregard wrote: > >> The entire purpose of a branding (or in this case, brand naming) >> something is its value for differentiation. Its usefulness has its >> roots >> way before any of us were around. >> >> It is still typically bad prac

Re: [Usability] application names in the application menu

2008-04-02 Thread Calum Benson
On 30 Mar 2008, at 09:14, Gabriel Burt wrote: > [Sorry for the out-of-thread reply, just joined] > > Quote Calum: > > "In summary, now that you're a core desktop application and there are > no other core applications with a similar function, your menu entry > should not include the word "Cheese".

Re: [Usability] application names in the application menu

2008-04-02 Thread Calum Benson
On 31 Mar 2008, at 23:21, Jacob Beauregard wrote: > The entire purpose of a branding (or in this case, brand naming) > something is its value for differentiation. Its usefulness has its > roots > way before any of us were around. > > It is still typically bad practice not to include the purpose

Re: [Usability] application names in the application menu

2008-04-01 Thread Calum Benson
On Tue, 2008-04-01 at 11:21 -0500, Shaun McCance wrote: > It's a shame that in 2008, we're still limited to 1980s > menus and very short labels. I've attached a very bad > mockup of how descriptions could be right there in the > menu where users can see them without hovering for the > tooltip. W

Re: [Usability] application names in the application menu

2008-04-01 Thread Shaun McCance
On Sat, 2008-03-29 at 19:38 +0100, daniel g. siegel wrote: > On Sa, 2008-03-29 at 12:27 +, Calum Benson wrote: > > In summary, now that you're a core desktop application and there are > > no other core applications with a similar function, your menu entry > > should not include the word "Ch

Re: [Usability] application names in the application menu

2008-04-01 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: > If a program has a name obviously related to what it does, *or* lots of > marketing, you're fine. But if you're missing both, people will have > trouble working out what the program is for. Even then, an obvious name may only work for English. You will never see transl

Re: [Usability] application names in the application menu

2008-04-01 Thread Matthew Paul Thomas
Le vendredi 28 mars 2008 à 18:30 +0100, daniel g. siegel a écrit : >... > recently, i showed some pupils the gnome desktop and what i noticed > was, that they even didnt know what "Cheese" meaned, or what program > would open if he had clicked on it. this wasnt only on cheese, but > also on epiphan

Re: [Usability] application names in the application menu

2008-03-31 Thread Jacob Beauregard
The entire purpose of a branding (or in this case, brand naming) something is its value for differentiation. Its usefulness has its roots way before any of us were around. It is still typically bad practice not to include the purpose of an application in its description. Ex. who the hell would

Re: [Usability] application names in the application menu

2008-03-31 Thread Luca Ferretti
Il giorno sab, 29/03/2008 alle 12.27 +, Calum Benson ha scritto: > On 28 Mar 2008, at 17:30, daniel g. siegel wrote: > > > Historically, when we wrote the HIG we originally wanted all the core > GNOME desktop apps to have functional names only, to alleviate some of > this confusion. Thus

Re: [Usability] application names in the application menu

2008-03-30 Thread Karl Lattimer
On 29 Mar 2008, at 20:38, daniel g. siegel wrote: > On Sa, 2008-03-29 at 12:27 +, Calum Benson wrote: >> On 28 Mar 2008, at 17:30, daniel g. siegel wrote: >>> >>> now i learned, that it was very confusing to have names like >>> nautilus, >>> epiphany, cheese for a guy, who hears those names

Re: [Usability] application names in the application menu

2008-03-30 Thread Jelle de Jong
Gabriel Burt wrote: > [Sorry for the out-of-thread reply, just joined] > > Quote Calum: > > "In summary, now that you're a core desktop application and there are > no other core applications with a similar function, your menu entry > should not include the word "Cheese". It should be something li

Re: [Usability] application names in the application menu

2008-03-30 Thread Gabriel Burt
[Sorry for the out-of-thread reply, just joined] Quote Calum: "In summary, now that you're a core desktop application and there are no other core applications with a similar function, your menu entry should not include the word "Cheese". It should be something like "Webcam Snapshot" (I'm sure we

Re: [Usability] application names in the application menu

2008-03-29 Thread daniel g. siegel
On Sa, 2008-03-29 at 12:27 +, Calum Benson wrote: > On 28 Mar 2008, at 17:30, daniel g. siegel wrote: > > > > now i learned, that it was very confusing to have names like nautilus, > > epiphany, cheese for a guy, who hears those names for the first > > time. so > > it would be better to have

Re: [Usability] application names in the application menu

2008-03-29 Thread Calum Benson
On 28 Mar 2008, at 17:30, daniel g. siegel wrote: > > now i learned, that it was very confusing to have names like nautilus, > epiphany, cheese for a guy, who hears those names for the first > time. so > it would be better to have menu entries like "Texteditor" (gedit) or > "Document viewer" (ev

Re: [Usability] application names in the application menu

2008-03-29 Thread Xavier Claessens
Le vendredi 28 mars 2008 à 18:30 +0100, daniel g. siegel a écrit : > hi! > > im writing this mail because i am very confused (and no, it is just > now ;) ). > > in cheese we plan to change the description of the application menu > entry, as it is somehow misleading. we want to change it to "Take

[Usability] application names in the application menu

2008-03-28 Thread daniel g. siegel
hi! im writing this mail because i am very confused (and no, it is just now ;) ). in cheese we plan to change the description of the application menu entry, as it is somehow misleading. we want to change it to "Take photos and videos with your webcam". so far everything seems to be alright. but