Re: [Usability] GtkNotebook scrolling

2010-03-19 Thread Rui Tiago Cação Matos
On 16 March 2010 01:59, Cody Russell wrote: > As you open new tabs, they shrink in size until it gets to a point where > they won't shrink any further.  At that point the tabs on the left go > offscreen while you're adding new ones on the right.  Once you've got > some offscreen notebook tabs you

Re: [Usability] GtkNotebook scrolling

2010-03-16 Thread Reinout van Schouwen
Hi Cody, Op maandag 15-03-2010 om 20:59 uur [tijdzone -0500], schreef Cody Russell: > offscreen while you're adding new ones on the right. Once you've got > some offscreen notebook tabs you can mouse-wheel back and forth and it > scrolls through the notebook tabs but *without changing the select

Re: [Usability] GtkNotebook scrolling

2010-03-15 Thread Cody Russell
On Sun, 2010-03-14 at 22:43 +0100, Reinout van Schouwen wrote: > I think you must be confusing Firefox with Epiphany. Firefox doesn't > react on scrollwheel on tab out-of-the-box (and if I would know about > a > Firefox extension that enables it, I'd have it installed). Epiphany > does > support sc

Re: [Usability] GtkNotebook scrolling

2010-03-15 Thread Rafał Mużyło
I'm not sure if/when this post will reach the list, as I'm not subscribed, but I wanted to add my 2c to the discussion. First of all: Firefox and tabs. Personally, I treat TabMix Plus as an essential extension. Among other things, it allows tab labels to be put in multiple rows, that can be scrol

Re: [Usability] GtkNotebook scrolling

2010-03-14 Thread Reinout van Schouwen
Hi, Op vrijdag 12-03-2010 om 17:31 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Jean-Peer Lorenz: > No, this is not a plugin. For me it works from a fresh installation. In > the case of more tabs open than fit into the window I can move the mouse > over the tab-bar (or whatever it is called) and flip through the

Re: [Usability] GtkNotebook scrolling

2010-03-12 Thread Jean-Peer Lorenz
Thanks for the hint. I've installed the tree tab plugin and tried it. While using it and comparing it directly to the default behavior I recognized some things related to the notebook issue. I especially like on a notebook with horizontally oriented tabs able to scroll through: * the information

Re: [Usability] GtkNotebook scrolling

2010-03-12 Thread Jean-Peer Lorenz
No, this is not a plugin. For me it works from a fresh installation. In the case of more tabs open than fit into the window I can move the mouse over the tab-bar (or whatever it is called) and flip through the tabs using the mouse wheel. Am Freitag, den 12.03.2010, 10:16 -0600 schrieb Cody Russell

Re: [Usability] GtkNotebook scrolling

2010-03-12 Thread Cody Russell
On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 15:05 +0100, Jean-Peer Lorenz wrote: > Simple answer: in Firefox I can put approx. 10 tabs on the screen. > When > opening more tabs, I cannot see all of them and use the scrolling. At > the moment I have more than 30 tabs open, they increase in number very > quick by followin

Re: [Usability] GtkNotebook scrolling

2010-03-12 Thread Cody Russell
On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 14:20 +0100, Jean-Peer Lorenz wrote: > > With the expression 'For me, it is a *huge* usability feature' I > wanted > to stress that there are different views to the issue. Some might find > the scrolling ability annoying and some (like me) think it is the most > efficient way

Re: [Usability] GtkNotebook scrolling

2010-03-12 Thread Reinout van Schouwen
Op vrijdag 12-03-2010 om 13:31 uur [tijdzone +], schreef Calum Benson: > > For me, it is a *huge* usability feature to be able to scroll through > > notebook tabs. I use this all the time when using Firefox, Nautilus, > > gedit and other applications with lots of documents opened in tabs. I > >

Re: [Usability] GtkNotebook scrolling

2010-03-12 Thread Shaun McCance
On Thu, 2010-03-11 at 12:00 -0600, Cody Russell wrote: > I brought this up on desktop-devel-list and gtk-devel-list hoping to get > some usability feedback, but the responses have been more of the "hey, I > use that sometimes!" type of response which isn't what I want. But then > Cosimo mentioned

Re: [Usability] GtkNotebook scrolling

2010-03-12 Thread Jean-Peer Lorenz
I want to add important points when scrolling through tabs using the mouse wheel: * it is fast (much faster than using the notebook arrows) * it is interactive, that is the scrolling speed depends on how fast I use the mouse wheel and it gives me some kind of feedback: Example e.g. in gedit - 10

Re: [Usability] GtkNotebook scrolling

2010-03-12 Thread Soeren Sandmann
jcup...@gmail.com writes: > On 12 March 2010 10:35, Allan Day wrote: > > Though most widgets cannot be controlled through the mouse wheel, a > > small number can (combo boxes, volume sliders and the window list, for > > example), so it's not completely inconsistent to have this behaviour for > >

Re: [Usability] GtkNotebook scrolling

2010-03-12 Thread Jean-Peer Lorenz
Simple answer: in Firefox I can put approx. 10 tabs on the screen. When opening more tabs, I cannot see all of them and use the scrolling. At the moment I have more than 30 tabs open, they increase in number very quick by following links etc. And I am not willing to close them because there is no r

Re: [Usability] GtkNotebook scrolling

2010-03-12 Thread Calum Benson
On 12 Mar 2010, at 12:28, Jean-Peer Lorenz wrote: > I want to point to the very interesting link that was posted by Andreas > Nilsson in gtk-devel list: > http://mpt.net.nz/archive/2008/08/11/usability > > For me, it is a *huge* usability feature to be able to scroll through > notebook tabs. I u

Re: [Usability] GtkNotebook scrolling

2010-03-12 Thread Jean-Peer Lorenz
You are absolutely right. I read the article and 'learned' nothing from it ;) With the expression 'For me, it is a *huge* usability feature' I wanted to stress that there are different views to the issue. Some might find the scrolling ability annoying and some (like me) think it is the most effici

Re: [Usability] GtkNotebook scrolling

2010-03-12 Thread Andreas Nilsson
On 03/12/2010 01:28 PM, Jean-Peer Lorenz wrote: I want to point to the very interesting link that was posted by Andreas Nilsson in gtk-devel list: http://mpt.net.nz/archive/2008/08/11/usability For me, it is a *huge* usability feature to be able to scroll through notebook tabs. I use this all t

Re: [Usability] GtkNotebook scrolling

2010-03-12 Thread Jean-Peer Lorenz
I've found a related Ubuntu brainstorm idea: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/20271/ Maybe this helps. I'd go with solution #1. I never realized the differences in behavior between Firefox and Nautilus. And indeed, the solution I like the most is the Firefox solution. I use tab scrolling really

Re: [Usability] GtkNotebook scrolling

2010-03-12 Thread Jean-Peer Lorenz
I want to point to the very interesting link that was posted by Andreas Nilsson in gtk-devel list: http://mpt.net.nz/archive/2008/08/11/usability For me, it is a *huge* usability feature to be able to scroll through notebook tabs. I use this all the time when using Firefox, Nautilus, gedit and oth

Re: [Usability] GtkNotebook scrolling

2010-03-12 Thread jcupitt
On 12 March 2010 10:57, Diego Moya wrote: > - Guard the feature with a modifier key so that it can't be activated by > accident. If you have to use ALT+Scrollwheel to activate this quick > scrolling through tabs, it's far less likely that its usage is unintended, > and the user will have a clue th

Re: [Usability] GtkNotebook scrolling

2010-03-12 Thread jcupitt
On 12 March 2010 10:35, Allan Day wrote: > Though most widgets cannot be controlled through the mouse wheel, a > small number can (combo boxes, volume sliders and the window list, for > example), so it's not completely inconsistent to have this behaviour for > tabs. If I can put in another opinio

Re: [Usability] GtkNotebook scrolling

2010-03-12 Thread Diego Moya
There are at least two ways to prevent users being confused by this feature, without removing it completely: - Provide a more prominent visual feedback when it's activated, so that if it's by accident the user will understand what happened. Instead of just an instant unexpected change of the compl

Re: [Usability] GtkNotebook scrolling

2010-03-12 Thread Allan Day
Hi Cody, > So, I stumbled upon this feature we have where you can use mouse-wheel > scrolling on GtkNotebook pages to change to a different page. It wasn't > the most pleasant experience for me since I did it on accident and was > briefly quite confused. I'm not a usability expert by any stretch

Re: [Usability] GtkNotebook scrolling

2010-03-11 Thread Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak
On 03/11/2010 01:00 PM, Cody Russell wrote: So, I stumbled upon this feature we have where you can use mouse-wheel scrolling on GtkNotebook pages to change to a different page. It wasn't the most pleasant experience for me since I did it on accident and was I use GtkNotebooks in my app (moseri

[Usability] GtkNotebook scrolling

2010-03-11 Thread Cody Russell
I brought this up on desktop-devel-list and gtk-devel-list hoping to get some usability feedback, but the responses have been more of the "hey, I use that sometimes!" type of response which isn't what I want. But then Cosimo mentioned that we have a real usability list, and so here I am! So, I st