Re: [Usability] Gnome's biggest failure. By far. Stone-cold evil.

2009-08-20 Thread Greg K Nicholson
Xfce gets this right. They use ordering and spacers instead of positioning and locking. gnome-panel won't exist come Gnome 3, so this bug will be moot in a year's time. ___ Usability mailing list Usability@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: [Usability] Gnome's biggest failure. By far. Stone-cold evil.

2009-08-20 Thread Dokuro
so there is a widget called drawer (cajon espanish) the problem with it is that, is another icon, instead of a space on the panel (like windows users are used to) it would be easyer (maybe even a bit more usefull) if it was fixed panel space for icons because you can always see the launchers you ha

Re: [Usability] Gnome's biggest failure. By far. Stone-cold evil.

2009-08-20 Thread Mark Knecht
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Vadim Peretokin wrote: > Frankly, I've yet to see a single yet besides you who makes such a big fuss > over their panel. > > Your behavior about this is more horrifying than the error that barely > anyone notices. > Then you haven't paid close enough attention as

Re: [Usability] Gnome's biggest failure. By far. Stone-cold evil.

2009-08-20 Thread Vadim Peretokin
Frankly, I've yet to see a single yet besides you who makes such a big fuss over their panel. Your behavior about this is more horrifying than the error that barely anyone notices. ___ Usability mailing list Usability@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mail

Re: [Usability] Gnome's biggest failure. By far. Stone-cold evil.

2009-08-20 Thread Jim March
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: > On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 11:46:12AM -0700, Jim March wrote: >> To ignore this bug for 3+ years means that at a fundamental level, >> Gnome doesn't care about that. > > Please don't forget about: > http://live.gnome.org/CodeOfConduct >  - "Assum

Re: [Usability] Gnome's biggest failure. By far. Stone-cold evil.

2009-08-20 Thread Natan Yellin
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Jim March <1.jim.ma...@gmail.com> wrote: > Look at it from a user's point of view: I set my screen/panel layouts > up. That's my work. Nobody has a right to destroy it. > > To ignore this bug for 3+ years means that at a fundamental level, > Gnome doesn't care ab

Re: [Usability] Gnome's biggest failure. By far. Stone-cold evil.

2009-08-20 Thread Olav Vitters
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 11:46:12AM -0700, Jim March wrote: > To ignore this bug for 3+ years means that at a fundamental level, > Gnome doesn't care about that. Please don't forget about: http://live.gnome.org/CodeOfConduct - "Assume people mean well" I know the author who currently maintains gn

Re: [Usability] Gnome's biggest failure. By far. Stone-cold evil.

2009-08-20 Thread Jim March
Look at it from a user's point of view: I set my screen/panel layouts up. That's my work. Nobody has a right to destroy it. To ignore this bug for 3+ years means that at a fundamental level, Gnome doesn't care about that. And THAT is horrifying. Jim

Re: [Usability] Gnome's biggest failure. By far. Stone-cold evil.

2009-08-20 Thread Dylan McCall
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Dokuro wrote: > I don't know if there is a widget that holds launcher icons on a > gnome's (top/bottom) bar, if there is the solution relies in using it, > that way all the launchers would not be moved from their position on a > resize (since the hole container is t

Re: [Usability] Gnome's biggest failure. By far. Stone-cold evil.

2009-08-20 Thread Dokuro
I don't know if there is a widget that holds launcher icons on a gnome's (top/bottom) bar, if there is the solution relies in using it, that way all the launchers would not be moved from their position on a resize (since the hole container is the one being moved), launchers that are just added with

Re: [Usability] Gnome's biggest failure. By far. Stone-cold evil.

2009-08-20 Thread Dokuro
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Jim March<1.jim.ma...@gmail.com> wrote: > Folks, > > I'm writing this after watching this same bug drive me nuts since I > first ran Linux in September of 2006 (Ubuntu Dapper).  At the moment > I'm running Ubuntu Karmic Alpha 4 and the same bug just walloped me > ha

Re: [Usability] Gnome's biggest failure. By far. Stone-cold evil.

2009-08-20 Thread Simos Xenitellis
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Andy Owen wrote: > On Wed, 2009-08-19 at 19:08 -0700, Jim March wrote: >> My laptop runs 1280x800 resolution.  I just ran an app that seems to >> have re-sized me a lot smaller while it was running - 800x600 at a >> guess.  When I came back out, resolution went back

Re: [Usability] Gnome's biggest failure. By far. Stone-cold evil.

2009-08-20 Thread Andy Owen
On Wed, 2009-08-19 at 19:08 -0700, Jim March wrote: > My laptop runs 1280x800 resolution. I just ran an app that seems to > have re-sized me a lot smaller while it was running - 800x600 at a > guess. When I came back out, resolution went back to normal but my > panel is absolutely scrambled to he

Re: [Usability] Gnome's biggest failure. By far. Stone-cold evil.

2009-08-20 Thread Alexey Rusakov
В Чтв, 20/08/2009 в 14:21 +0400, Alexey Rusakov пишет: > В Срд, 19/08/2009 в 19:08 -0700, Jim March пишет: > > Folks, > > > > I'm writing this after watching this same bug drive me nuts since I > > first ran Linux in September of 2006 (Ubuntu Dapper). At the moment > > I'm running Ubuntu Karmic

Re: [Usability] Gnome's biggest failure. By far. Stone-cold evil.

2009-08-20 Thread Alexey Rusakov
В Срд, 19/08/2009 в 19:08 -0700, Jim March пишет: > Folks, > > I'm writing this after watching this same bug drive me nuts since I > first ran Linux in September of 2006 (Ubuntu Dapper). At the moment > I'm running Ubuntu Karmic Alpha 4 and the same bug just walloped me > hard. [skipped] > PLE