them?
That's a corner case that's easily addressed by adding
UBUNTU_MENUPROXY=0 to those applications or to the session you're
logging into. I think menus represent a very interesting subject, and
something that has extreme potential for improvements, but how is it
relevant to this
ppearance.
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On 09. feb. 2012 15:47, Mohamed Ikbel Boulabiar wrote:
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 3:34 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad
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That's correct. Dodge windows is gone. Don't confuse that with
auto-hide, though. Auto-hide is easily activat
ess, which means slower software.
It is also always more difficult to maintain, which means less effort
goes to real development.
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making you
forget the questions you intended to ask. They do so by adding lots of
nonsense in between. Code is the same way. Nonsense means clutter, which
means less clean code. I'm not calling dodge nonsense, but unnecessary
features in general.
Am I missing something?
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quot; might suddenly
become a little confusing, I think.
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your
super+num shortcut to it. If switching between visible and hidden is
such a killer feature, then I'm sure you'll want to spend a launcher on it?
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You've just done the same thing, and have you not? (refuted his claim
with no evidence)
His claim was that it is a fact that dodge is smarter and more
convenient. The fact that not everyone agrees, proves it not to be a
fact, but
? I just upgraded five minutes ago, and when I use
spread or scale, windows doesn't close when I middle click. Are they
supposed to?
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r, but more refined options. The "locally integrated menus" seems to
be another step in the right direction.
… and still two months to go! :)
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d. It is quite uncomfortable, though, to see permanent functions
like workspace switching being moving targets.
As far as I can tell, neither Show Desktop, nor Workspace Switcher are
movable?
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other. Perhaps there is a lens that is useful, but not
very often, so you don't want it to clutter the main interface. In any
case, those quicklists doesn't disturb anything. And since most other
launcher entries have quicklists, the Ubuntu button should too, for
consistency, if
d you prefer to switch between user accounts instead of
using tabs? That seems fairly weird to me.
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ten lenses installed, each containing five categories, then if the dash
would show everything, you'd display 50 categories and at the very least
500 results. That would be very annoying. So though privacy to me is the
most important factor, it certainly
that.
Just a few thoughts.
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witcher for that purpose.
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uot; :)
I actually didn't know that the others had that feature. Great minds
think alike, I suppose. I was just playing around, trying out things I
never actually do just to see what happens. :)
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It's a very interesting subject, but I think it's not as easy as where
to click in order to show the editor. There are lots of smaller issues
to take into account.
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ecommends_ gnome-panel, that is true. It is not a dependency.
gnome-panel, in turn recommends on all the other things. Removing the
recommends from the alacarte package shouldn't be all that difficult.
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s, is 18.2MB large and is located here:
http://ubuntuone.com/4zH29kHoXEBxVXc1v8yMGg
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ts of ideas for things to experiment
with, but there's limits to how many hoops I'm willing to jump through.
a number of us have been missing a decent user friendly not buggy way
to edit our new menus (dash/launcher) since unity hit in 11.04.
Yup. I'm one of them.
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in some of the information
to make the icon permanent.
There was the Unity Launcher Editor. I don't know if it's still being
developed, but it might be a good starting point.
http://askubuntu.com/a/43661/19779
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o adapt to the
computer. Explain to me how that's not different from the computers of
the 80s.
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come up with a
better solution – including the one you present. The problem with your
idea is that it would make it more difficult to close windows without
hitting the Ubuntu button, similar to the previous issues with the
launcher in auto-hide.
Interesting challenge.
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o get a picture of what my intentions are. Now,
let's say I switch to Chromium. It's not going to happen anytime soon,
but it might someday. My intentions haven't changed. Only the tools I
use to accomplish my tasks. I'll still use _my_ shortcuts, and not the
defined shortcuts in each program.
Because the computer now adapts to me, and not vice versa.
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That is certainly a nice idea. You may want to have a look at Oneconf.
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On 22. feb. 2012 03:14, Ted Gould wrote:
[snip]
what can be done in that timeframe. I appreciate your enthusiasm, and
I share it, but we have to walk before we can run :-)
It's easier to walk quickly when you have vision though. :)
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you don't like.
An obvious solution to your problem, for instance, is to simply display
the filters by default.
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that the results are wrong, then I guarantee many
users who are just getting to know Ubuntu, will experience this. It will
result in a loss of confidence, which is a very bad thing.
In my opinion, it is better to err on the side of caution, making sure
no-one will ever get the impression t
al filter
state be forgotten when the dash is closed.
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On 23. feb. 2012 12:27, Adrian Maier wrote:
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 00:55, Jo-Erlend Schinstad
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On 22. feb. 2012 23:13, Adrian Maier wrote:
The classic gnome2 menu is so efficient that I don't feel the need to
create shortcuts for applications ... That's why i find it
to customize them. Except for that, applets are grouped to left,
center or right. Otherwise, the classic desktop is identical in Precise
as in 10.04.
Many Thanks !
Adrian
You're welcome. In the future, whenever you feel annoyed that something
is missing, use AskUbuntu.com. It might
one: "Is this the
right time to tell 40-60% of all developers to take it somewhere else?"
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In my opinion, this is a bug in
Transmission. Please file one. I don't think the launcher can tell
applications to behave differently in that regard.
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, and the wrong way is always to try and make
everyone else do it the right way.
We welcome differences. We just reduce the impact.
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On 23. feb. 2012 21:49, Gustav Sony wrote:
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!!!
Please change it in the German Translation from "Schließen" to "Beenden".
!!!
You really want a Norwegian to change the German translation? Change it
yourself! :)
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users prefer Unity means it will attract most of the
professional time. It does not mean it's more important than Gnome
Panel. It just means the community has to replace the efforts Canonical
has put into it in the past. It doesn't automatically happen, but it's
certainly po
because it might not be perfectly suitable to children or fanatical
christians? I will never, ever be a part of anything remotely similar to
that. Present your next idea.
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me sort of registration. If you don't
like that, go make your own distro. In the meantime, perhaps parents
should teach their own children what to do and what now to do.
I apologize for my anger on this one, but it just couldn't be helped.
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millions of african babies that are starving in africa. Perhaps we
should sensor that knowledge before we start sensoring how babies are made?
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, is the moment that I find someone else to join. This
is most likely true for most of us. Should we have to choose between USA
and China now? If so, I choose not to. They're both nuts.
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ast, and I can do with
little sleep. There's no change in the bitter depths of hell that I'll
ever let anyone propose something like that without fighting it.
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should only present good porn then?
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You are becoming a dangerous class of countries; USA, Iran and China.
Not all that different, when seen from the outside, but certainly
dangerous.
Do you really want to discuss porn vs religion with me? I can go on. I
really can go on much further than you are probably prepared for.
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eligion to be a decease. That doesn't
mean I hate the patient. Quite the contrary. I feel great compassion for
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But this is Ubuntu. We can't be responsible for your health.
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rnographic application*
It doesn't matter, you know. It allures to the possibility of naked
animals creating offspring. The mere concept is off the scale!
This is fun! :)
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e minds of the young by prohibiting information. :)
I think I'll go listen to a CD of Frank Zappa now.
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But if the main idea was implemented, Ubuntu would most likely seize to
exist. Hackers tend not to be extremely focused on helping to create
global sensorship. Apple seems to be more interested in participating in
that than Microsoft and GNU/Linux is.
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unds as if
you want to change the behavior because you're not used to it. But
that's not something good design should be based on. Of course, it will
always be possible to add something like that if you want it, but that
doesn't mean it should be default for all users.
e the gnome panel.
Hopefully this package will be available in the real repositories
someday(now it's in ppa).
I personally think that's not the right place for it, since it doesn't
indicate anything.
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he PornView
application, which is quite appropriate, but would still be offensive to
some people. As I stated earlier, I don't think the applications lens
should display software from the software center by default at all. But
that doesn't have anything to do with what's permi
no longer intend to spend too much energy with
discussing on this topic .
From my point of view the issue is solved : now I am aware about
several possibilities that will allow me to happily use Unity without
cursing every 5 minutes .
Sure. There's lots of good software on the internet that
lt+tab _does_ only switch between applications. We use alt+(button
above tab) to switch between windows. Same solution, different keys. :)
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ing I think should be looked into before release.
In any case, when people come here for the first time and do their best
to provide information about problems or hints about possible solutions,
it's unacceptable for them to get their heads chopped off.
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d ever find objectionable. I'm not saying
it isn't possible to find solutions to these issues, but I think it's an
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ication is used, the less frequently you'll have to look
for it as well, meaning it's not the most important aspect to optimize.
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an try reducing it and see if that helps?
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archy. A lot of people seems to
have forgotten this already.
It's perfectly legal to mean that using searches to access things is a
bad idea, but nearly all users will disagree with you.
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n the case with
Transmission, when you really tell it to quit, it will display a dialog
asking you to wait for status updates to be sent, etc. This can take
some time. How will this be handled?
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On 26. feb. 2012 13:50, Davor wrote:
I don`t have control over "Most frequently used" and i like more control.
How is it possible that you don't have control over what applications
you use most frequently?
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requently. I
don't understand why anyone would want to optimize for things they
hardly ever do. Your email did point out some very strong reasons why
the new system is far better, however.
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On 26. feb. 2012 11:35, Thorsten Wilms wrote:
On 02/25/2012 10:03 PM, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote:
Each added step reduces the likelihood that a user becomes aware and
sure of the functionality and completes the task. Setting a "Filter"
does not fit well into a browsing approach.
On 26. feb. 2012 18:12, Adrian Maier wrote:
On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 17:08, Jo-Erlend Schinstad
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On 26. feb. 2012 14:55, Adrian Maier wrote:
Yes , that's the point . With a classic apps menu it's super-easy to see
the big picture : see what applications are available .
Agai
easy to
do, though it obviously requires some work. Doing that using
hierarchical structures, would be much more difficult. Using metadata to
describe data content instead of just referring to a location, makes it
possible to do extremely cool things with relative ease.
That's what the se
what
will happen when we're finally able to ditch IPv4 and people are able to
connect their computers to others and share data freely. If you're
famiar with Last.fm's Scrobbler system, consider a digital life
scrobbler that you can share directly with your friends without giant
g:
user: Adrian
did: open
file:
url: http://blablabla
available: yes
type: image
mime type: blabla
description: mockup to make browsing easier
in: Firefox
by: clicking on a link
in: Thunderbird
because: it was mentioned
by: Josh Strawbridge
in: email thread
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deration as a pure usability issue.
In any case, I think this would be cleaner than repeating the entire
path over and over.
Thoughts?
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7;s worth keeping in mind that tab completion wouldn't change anything
for people who doesn't use it anyway. It would still be possible to
search for "test history" and navigate by arrow keys, but the search
itself would be much slower.
Thoughts?
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e, such as for a group of
leaf nodes. It's not very important to me, of course. It would just make
things cleaner, and reduce the need to chop parts of the path when it
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hat's what most
people would expect from tab completion, so I don't think that'd disturb
anything. Even when using tab completion, you should be able to skip
parts of the path.
Did that make more sense? :)
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"Alt+BAT (Button Above Tab)". BAT is
TAB in reverse, which makes it even easier to remember. Íf everybody
does it, then together we can change the world! Or, maybe at least
create a new expression. :)
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ive preferences. It
would be a good thing if these things were collected in one place, I
think. Perhaps adding Launcher and Indicators to the System Settings >
Appearance panel?
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On 28. feb. 2012 17:40, Omar B. wrote:
>The same way you accidentally trigger the Launcher.
is always visible now.
And the problem with accidentally opening the launcher has been fixed by
adding reveal pressure.
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Den 28. feb. 2012 20:00, skrev Lance:
PS: nit-picker that I am, one thing I wish I could do is add the date
to the clock display, eg: Tue Feb 28, 12:58 PM.
Look in System Settings > Time and date > Clock. That's where you add
the date and other things.
Cool, huh? :)
-
than
indicator as its currently being used, simply because it's just a menu
and doesn't indicate anything.
With regards to Skype, you'll have to use Skype/Microsofts bug tracker,
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all around you are loosing theirs, then you've probably switched
to Ubuntu" :)
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ut it
would also make it more comfortable to browse by category.
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inner
without leaning forward and looking for it.
What about using a spinner of the same size as the entry, above the
icon, but below the other status indications?
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s a bug and the
solution would be using different values based on the visible-setting on
the launcher.
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I filed a bug about it here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/945847
It seems completely obvious to me that the "speed bump" shouldn't be be
used when the launcher is set to always visible.
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This is no
doubt a bug. When you want to add an application, only applications
should be shown, not the recently used media files.
Setting an application to start automatically is something anyone and
almost everyone should want to do.
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something else.
The tool itself is great. It just needs a different "add" dialog that
presents applications instead of recently used files and folders.
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want it to automatically start, wouldn't you also pin it to the
launcher? It would add some "false positives", but it's easier to remove
an entry than it is to create one, so that shouldn't be a problem.
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s and hold Alt, tap BAT, press a number and release Alt. Not
quite as powerful as super+num, but I still think it would be an
improvement. We'd need some way to organize windows though.
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. You should also be able to do
it without opening the spread view, but then by pressing Alt, tapping
the button above tab and then enter a number.
It's not too far fetched?
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;t want a quicklist item for it. When you pin an
application, it should automatically get an entry in startup
applications, but it should remain unchecked.
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eModel. There are a few other issues with Network Manager as well.
For instance, it doesn't remove the model from the view before updating,
which probably makes it a lot slower than it should. And it doesn't look
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Since Rhythmbox is in the sound menu and you can access play controls
from it directly, I expected it to be accessible with HUD as well. It
isn't.
Are there any plans to make it so, and in that case, will it be
internationalized?
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Den 07. mars 2012 15:19, skrev Colin Law:
On 7 March 2012 13:42, Jo-Erlend Schinstad wrote:
Since Rhythmbox is in the sound menu and you can access play controls from
it directly, I expected it to be accessible with HUD as well. It isn't.
It is for me (running unity-2d if that is rel
Den 07. mars 2012 15:28, skrev Paul Sladen:
Please could you file this in a bug on Launchpad:
Done: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/949032. There wasn't really
that much to add, though. :)
But I'm glad to hear it's supposed to work.
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lay with, which helps
promote Unity in general.
Does it make sense, and is it something you'll be willing to consider in
the future?
Thanks for reading :)
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, etc.
This is the effect we need. But that requires that after 30-60 minutes,
the user will feel confident that this is something they will be able to
learn if they choose to. There must be no confusion or negative
surprises during that first hour.
To me, the dodge effect was cool
ruptive on this mailing list, because it
creates noise that has nothing to do with software development.
I would also consider the possibility that people will add your address
to their spam filters.
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to provide more specific examples. It was very
difficult to understand what you meant.
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a charming guy. But the virtualization thing caused some major
problems for him. For instance, it wasn't possible to discover menus or
window controls because of the top panel.
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s like
a useful feature. This is a way to use menu structures that isn't common
for visible menus, but I imagine this will be quite useful for many
applications that has deep structures and wants to optimize for the HUD.
So I hope I can get some feedback on this.
Thanks.
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ications that have no visible interface, but is designed
specifically for the HUD, like my Quickly-thing is. That changes things.
And I think those kinds of applications can be quite useful. So to me,
the question is not if, but how. I don't think it necessarily has to be
too complicated. Ad
gave His one and only Son, so
that whoever believes in Him should not die but have eternal life." -
John 3:16
I very much agree with that. I'd think most users now have another way
of scrolling than clicking and dragging the scrollbars, but some do, and
they shouldn't be neglec
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